Baty Alquawen 3688 Posted April 4, 2017 Good evening survivors! This week, Viktor shares the second part of his animation Q&A video, Eugen is expanding upon his recent talk on a game dev conference here in Prague, Peter provides an example of the new car damage visualization for BETA and we've talked Adam into making some new comparison images of the new forests! Additionally, we have Mirek talking about another important milestone we've currently reached with our technology and Baty (among other things!) looks back at a pretty cool April Fools' joke from one of our community members. Contents This Week Dev Update/Eugen Dev Update/Viktor Dev Update/Peter Dev Update/Mirek Dev Update/Adam Community Spotlight Dev Update/Eugen I don't usually contribute to Status Reports, but since Brian is out of office this week, I'd like to change that and touch upon a topic of DayZ development and Early Access development in general. Brace yourselves, as this will be a bit of a long read (but there's also a video embedded below). For the start, I understand that a lot of you have concerns about DayZ development. I also do believe there have been some inherent issues with what is, and what is not viable for Early Access development phase, as this is something that was not tried a lot before, and most of it is pioneered (process-wise) as things evolve. Early Access is a dynamic environment that is quite different from the traditional closed door development. I’m gonna get quite technical, so for those who do not feel like reading a wall of text, I had a presentation at White Nights Prague conference that takes on the subject of this Status Report contribution with less detail: That said, I do stand by the development decisions we made as a team, but also see major flaws in how one can present changes in games’ underlying technology, where most of these changes are actually the base building blocks which, in time, will be able to provide a significant change of the overall player experience. All these engine changes are, in the case of DayZ, developed with the aim to keep the game moddable at all levels, with expanded scope. The engine changes for DayZ include Renderer Networking system Controls Script Sounds Physics Tools Server-Client architecture (in most systems!) Consoles Animations All gameplay systems written inscript (to a certain degree) We need to work on all that while we create data and iterate, while we’re slowly trickling some systems into the live game (the public Experimental/Stable branches of DayZ) to test them. That creates a certain lack of visible progress as things are in motion and need time to settle down. These days, many of the base systems are in-game internally, and we are spending a significant amount of time removing a lot of old systems, while interconnecting the new ones. Let's compare that vision we have for DayZ with the live game that’s out there right now, just so that you have an idea of what it all means in practice. Live game runs old physics system, where collisions are a giant hog on server performance. To replace that, you basically need to replace everything else, as many of these old systems were hard-coded to a large degree. You need to make an originally monolithic application into a modular one, where all these old systems are interconnected. You almost, almost start from scratch. And as small as it sounds, server performance can break anything. Most of the systems above have not been part of live game because of this dependencies in old structure. Every issue in DayZ has a reason. Most of those issues that trouble you are known to us, and have a solution somewhere in all this work that we have done, and want to bring to you. Like the stairs killing you, which is a combination of many, many factors: Issues with data binarization, physics, collisions, server-client architecture and even script and player itself. To fix a “simple” issue like that takes years of work because we really can’t take on any more technical debt and “hack” these fixes into the game to save the day. We play for the long haul, not for the short term gain. And as such, there lies the inherent issue of how to approach early access. Things take time, and you can’t buy patience with a wall of text. You just can’t. And I get that now, when we have to face the truth here, as all these things that we worked for are not in a state to make for a fun game. Yet. That point (where we will present a fun to play game) is BETA for us. Yes, we could probably, eventually set up a deployment to show each different technology change part by part (like we did with the renderer), but unless you have base the game loop present in a game, it’s just a tech demo. Even if we have all the parts ready, these details (bug fixing, connecting pieces together…) matter a lot. I’m going to use a simplified story of a decision making that happened around one simple upgrade. How player sounds should work in the future: Sound in games has a lot more to it than one would imagine at first. Besides the sound data itself (which has to be prepared in context of the technology, as in supporting its data structure, and also allows further data modifications by the underlying game technology that plays the final sound for the player) there is also the important part of letting the game know when it should play a sound. Let's call that an event. You also need to edit all this in some way, to put events in gameplay that plays the sounds, and edit the sounds themselves, and don’t forget the pipeline for building the game that puts all this in some structure. Events have to be called from script, animations, items, environment... There has to be some logic to it. You need tools to visualize the data, a script to play it, have logic that decides how and why… Many of these systems were originally hard-coded - hard to tweak, hard to change. So the goal was (and is) to bring them in line with the rest of the DayZ vision, and to make the game modular, editable (visually, if possible) and expandable in the future. So we’re talking about tons of disciplines that are affected, and you can’t do one part of it and think the whole thing will still function. As you prepare the new technology to be compatible with rest of the new stuff, it is often impossible to keep things compatible. And more than often, you just need to move on and focus only on the new technology. For example with player sounds, we’re now in process of writing the sound event manager, and then we will need to connect the sounds into data structure, and define events that launch them for new animations of player moving. Meanwhile, we’re also reworking all the textures to prepare the game to recognize surfaces better, or to recognize when a sound is played in interior/exterior. At the same time, we’re implementing a way to edit the data in animation editor, in order to be able to set up these events visually, not just by playing a loop like in the old system. At the end of all this, there will be sounds playing when the foot of the player touches the ground. It might sound silly at first, but all these things and changes can expand the scope heavily for us and the modders alike. Its not going to be easy, but as I said, we're not going anywhere. - Eugen Harton / Lead Producer Dev Update/Viktor Our focus in the animation department is still mostly on melee combat and animations for new user actions. We are still iterating and adjusting animations and the game design to make the combat feel good. However, there is the second part of the animations Q&A video that got finished just minutes ago! In the first part, we were filming at our Motion Capture and studio talking about animations in DayZ in general. This time, I am trying to explain our upcoming animation system and how it helps us improve the game. You can watch both parts right here: - Viktor Kostik / Lead Animator Dev Update/Peter After the new inventory was publicly released, we were continuously adding and implementing features to it which are directly connected to our ambitious revamp of how systems works with user actions, crafting, attachments and inventory management (you can check Status Reports from 1 March 2016 and 29 March 2016 to find out more about this effort to unify and simplify different behaviors). As we were integrating all that stuff, current inventory implementation of scripted UI got bloated and finally became unsustainable. Currently, it's being rewritten from scratch, which may seems scary at first, but it's the right step for a better, cleaner, more functional and most importantly faster inventory UI. System of gestures was implemented in Enforce script and it's not a hard-coded part of the engine anymore, which offers more possibilities. Powered by the new animation system, it brings smooth controls and seamless transitions from ending part of gesture animations directly to character movement. As over time number of gestures exceeds available function keys, we started the work on a new radial menu UI for gestures picking (binding gestures to function keys is still possible though). With upcoming changes to vehicle physics and simulations, we are also enhancing visuals for different damage states of vehicles, as well as how to make new abandoned and wrecked ones from all these driveable models we already have. Large attachments like doors, hoods and wheels will be removable from these abandoned and wrecked vehicles, which can be combined with different color and damage states. The fact I like the most is the possibility to interchange all of these per attachment, or on different parts of body, depending on the direction of impact. For more variation... see you in Chernarus folks! - Peter Nespesny / Lead Designer Dev Update/Mirek Last week, another major milestone has been met - we've moved animals and infected to the new animation system, which means the internal build of the game is only using one animation system now. This is great, because we can now focus only on one type of implementation, and can remove a lot of the legacy code, which will make our lives a lot easier. Now we just need to connect existing game features to the new implementations of player and AI entities, and solve issues like AI pushing players etc. Interaction system with game environment is heavily modified, too. In current 0.61 (and future 0.62) updates, the client side is asking the server side for possible interactions and the server returns a list of these actions. In 0.63, we've decided to get an action list on the client side, so there won't be any latency lag and there will be less network traffic between the client and server. Also, there is going to be a client side prediction for each performed action, which means that you will see direct response when you press interaction button and server will be able to interrupt these actions in case of faulty prediction (e.g. two players are picking up some item at the same time) or in case of cheating. Another major change in our internal version was the Voice over Network communication. It's now using client/server architecture as well. This allowed us to optimize voice data traffic, and more importantly, there will no longer be any peer to peer connections between players. Together with these changes, our scripters should be able to begin with the Enforce Script implementation of new advanced communication features (like public address system or static transmitters). - Miroslav Maněna / Lead Gameplay Progammer Dev Update/Adam We've made serious progress on an important milestone task for the release of the 0.62 update - color tweaks for all the new vegetation assets. This task is focused on making sure that all new assets blend together and look just right. In addition to that, we are also utilizing colorization feature that brings much needed local color variety between individual assets. Please consider content of all pictures in this status report as work in progress. They do not represent final state yet as we are still working on additional color tweaks and other things such as configuration of clutter (grass) and surface mask. Following two pictures show how the color tweaks affected the overall feel of the new Chernarus. In first picture, you also have the option to compare it with current (0.61) version of Chernarus: BEFORE: AFTER: WEST: We've also added younger conifer forests to the layout of the new Chernarus forests. In our previous iterations, only older conifer forests were used for all conifer generation shapes. We have prepared a layout and included these younger parts everywhere we thought they would fit. That not only includes denser spruce, larch and pine forest parts, but also clearings with really young trees. This change should give you an idea that many of the conifer forests on Chernarus were actively harvested for wood, and thus many resemble un-natural shapes. Following pictures provides an example of young conifer forest parts near Devils Castle (which is one of the more harvested areas on new Chernarus). Again, you have the option to compare following pictures with current (0.61) version of Chernarus. BEFORE: AFTER: You may remember that I mentioned a western expansion in earlier status reports. This task is still very much active and just last week, we have replaced all prototype forest on the western part by the generation output. This basically means that the western border now has properly generated forests, same like pretty much the rest of the new Chernarus. With this, I can happily say that you will be able to enjoy the whole new look of the whole western part of Chernarus in 0.62 update (time to say good bye to the empty lands with few trees!). That being said, this is just the first iteration, expect many changes with future updates. This picture is meant as a small teaseer of what you can expect on the western border. Direct comparison to the old Chernarus does not make sense in this case, as the terrain is now vastly different: WEST: - Adam Franců / Map Designer Dev Update/Community Spotlight Server Pipsi is preparing an interesting PVP event themed “Australia vs. New Zealand”. Player slots are filling up quickly, but New Zealand still has couple of available ones, so if you are from Dean Hall’s home country, be sure to sign up! This amazing teddy bear from streamers and big DayZ fans Queennie and MrBlue, who've been supporting DayZ for several years, arrived to our office. Many thanks for the beautiful and kind letter that warmed our hearts. When we are on the topic of gifts, DukeTales was showing off a birthday gift from his girlfriend on Reddit. The clock is hand-made and its face is decorated with cans you can recognize from the game. Happy birthday DukeTales! Next, we would like to show you the absolutely brilliant artwork with DayZ theme by IqfishLP, which he published on Reddit. He even recorded the process of creating it. He managed to transform a common screenshot into this artwork worthy of being your new wallpaper. Great job! To finish things off, let’s go back to one April Fools’ Day joke which spread through the community a couple of years ago and was initiated by Duro Bulo. I was not yet part of the DayZ team back then and I did fall for it. Duro Bulo started a hoax about a possible malaria infection being carried by the vicious mosquitos of Chernarus. He even made up a way to protect yourself from this dangerous insect – a bug repellent spray. Duro certainly does not lack creativity. But don’t forget, it is only a joke! Tweet us if you encountered any DayZ April Fools’ joke this year. Did you get fooled? If you have any community content or event which you would like to share with us, the easiest way is to tweet to our official Twitter. Header image by: THE MR POTATO - Baty / Community Manager 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HaseDesTodes 315 Posted April 4, 2017 that teddy bear is realy cool, any chance we can expect them to come as DayZ merchandise? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Espa 711 Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) Ooooh DayZ is coming. . Sing it to us, Devs <3 Edited April 4, 2017 by Espa 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☣BioHaze☣ 7337 Posted April 4, 2017 On 4/4/2017 at 10:18 PM, Baty Alquawen said: For example with player sounds, we’re now in process of writing the sound event manager, and then we will need to connect the sounds into data structure, and define events that launch them for new animations of player moving. Meanwhile, we’re also reworking all the textures to prepare the game to recognize surfaces better, or to recognize when a sound is played in interior/exterior. At the same time, we’re implementing a way to edit the data in animation editor, in order to be able to set up these events visually, not just by playing a loop like in the old system. At the end of all this, there will be sounds playing when the foot of the player touches the ground. Yes, YES, YES! Best. Status report. EVER. Thank you so much guys n' gals!!! *fanboy gush* As always.... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMT 3190 Posted April 4, 2017 Holy shit, what a status report! I'm speechless, just speechless. The new vegetation looks like a completely different Chernarus. It looks amazing, I can not wait to walk through the new forests with the new environmental sounds, it will be so immersive. I'm also glad Eugen touched on the early access subject and I hope that a lot of people now understand why things are taking so long. Keep it up, DayZ is an already amazing game but this, right now, is just the icing on the cake. I can not wait to play the final product, the best survival game out there. Once that day comes, I'm happy that I was part of and followed the process. Thank you! 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benavides 13 Posted April 4, 2017 From a first glance, it looks like a very interesting update/status report. I'll read it in detail in the morning with a cup of coffee. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ImageCtrl 719 Posted April 4, 2017 Nice read. no presents here but for the rest... sign xd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ImageCtrl 719 Posted April 5, 2017 Have something unexpected in the pipeline... sounds like a smart move. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
green_mtn_grandbob 594 Posted April 5, 2017 This report should make some people eat the words they typed. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
odin_lowe 3686 Posted April 5, 2017 Looks and sounds extremely promising!! Wow. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baty Alquawen 3688 Posted April 5, 2017 12 hours ago, HaseDesTodes said: that teddy bear is realy cool, any chance we can expect them to come as DayZ merchandise? Hm, interesting idea.... :). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gobbokirk 546 Posted April 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Baty Alquawen said: Hm, interesting idea.... :). Put me down for a pre-order :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sqeezorz 839 Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) A big praise to this status report. Just the part of Eugene and thus also the speeches of peter mirek adam and viktor show me that you do not want to "only" make a DayZ. No you work on the "True epos Dayz". I am convinced you have installed a lot of interesting features that show us Chernarus from a completely new site. There are already in the current Stable / Exp. Version many things that let me guess what comes. I think there is only one example: the variety of shoes ... if my hope becomes true, then I will be a player who will not wear military boots anymore in the final version, because the disadvantage for my play style will be too big. It is not a discusion tread but a presentation of the SR. But I've noticed something in the last 2 SR's which only pleased me, the longer I look at it, questions arise. It is about the pictures with the HUD. First the left side. Volume of player to the environment and the stamina. 1) do we really need that? Eugen explained how selfish of textures and items will have influence in scripts with animation and sound / renderer. To the point: why does it need the volume ... I do not even notice how loud I am? The Stamina .. I hear my Char not how he comes to its limits? I would like to feel this with sound and rendering (slight blur of visibility with the exhausted or winking eyes), and can be perceived along with the bearer. The right side: The status values are shown here. But must the arrows be? I will lose water, always and every time. If I have hot then I will need more water, which is normal. I wish I had only the status icon change the color to show me where I stand. When I'm wet, my temperature drops (from bright green / best feel-good zone, then changes to ocher / light blue / blue and with freezing brown and with hypothermic red or even red pulsating). Also here I would like that I logically want to think about what has influence on my status. The ad should only show me in what range I am. I'm honest I do not like these arrows ... I just want arrows that I can make myself for the bow. I know still is nothing Final, that makes me hope for a great Game AND for more fun from Baty ^^ . Edited April 5, 2017 by Sqeezorz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeefBacon 1185 Posted April 5, 2017 It must be so frustrating for the devs to see negative comments about DayZ's development. I've long held the belief that the only real mistake made in DayZ's development so far has been the decision to go into Early Access so early. Even then, it wasn't necessarily a mistake at the time because the scope for what DayZ would become was a lot smaller. It only became a mistake when the devs decided they wanted to create something better, at which point they realised that they'd pretty much have to start from scratch. Most games that enter early access don't do so before development on the game has properly begun. So of course development feels slow. I think people also forget that DayZ was among the first big Early Access games. It was pioneering. In hindsight, it was a great decision and a poor decision. EA provided the funding and momentum necessary to make the standalone even better than originally planned, but it led directly to the issues we see today with people complaining about development speed. If they'd never entered EA, we would probably have gotten DayZ at the end of 2014... but it wouldn't have had all the new tech the devs are working on now. So I suppose it's a bit of a Catch 22, but ultimately I'm happy with the decisions the devs have made. Some people have complained about being blocked on Twitter and banned from forums, however. If they're just trolling and generally being assholes then fair enough, but some have claimed that they've had constructive criticism and have been banned anyway. I don't know if this is true, but I'm hoping it isn't. I guess an emerging issue is PR - but then it's clear that the devs are addressing that. More little updates in between status reports would be nice. I don't know what form those updates should take, but just something to fill in the two week gap between status reports. Also, can we expect the new HUD in .62? new audio? Or is it purely new forests and terrain textures? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Solopopo 330 Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) The new screenshots look great. But, did we really need to "learn" that releasing an alpha before having the technology in place is a bad idea? I don't think anyone can say that they legitimately "learned" that from this experience. I think we can all objectively agree that is just common sense. I think the only thing to be learned from this alpha is not to release alpha. It's just bad business practice. It is a fact at this point that this game being in alpha has not helped the development process move faster. It has in fact slowed it, as the team has divided their attention between stable branch and actual development. To use an example from recent events, cars were taken out of stable branch and put on experimental to encourage people to play experimental and give you guys experimental data. Regardless of the fact that it didn't work, this goes to show that the only real gameplay from players that is useful to you is experimental gameplay, and most players are not even playing on experimental. All of stable branch is useless to you, but you are committed to keeping it at least somewhat playable, which is a burden on the overall development process.The fact that the game has needed to be playable from the beginning of development to the end is a problem. Unfinished games don't necessarily need to be playable unless you sell them. Having something that is in an unplayable state is fine if you haven't charged money for it, and having the liberty to leave something unfinished to work on more long term goals isn't a problem in that case. Even now you have 4 members of the dev team working on stable who could be working on bringing the beta closer. TL;DR The only thing to be learned from releasing a game as an alpha is not to do it again. I mean this seriously and with respect. This game's reputation has been dragged through the mud because of it. It's no way to do business and people don't appreciate it. If someone from BI were to publicly acknowledge and take responsibility for this, I think that would be the first step on the road to improving DayZ's reputation and it's future. EDIT: I know that Arma 3 more or less worked out as an alpha, but people were not exactly thrilled about the game's early lack of content then either. It may be argued that Arma 3 released as alpha with the appropriate technology in place and that's why it went better, but where is it appropriate to draw the line? When is a game finished enough to be released as "alpha?" I think personally that any self respecting company should take pride in what they put out, and what they put out should be a completely finished representation of what it is they do. Anything in between just blemishes the product and the company, at least for the duration of the alpha. So why participate in this thing called alpha at all? We are not meant to see the skeletons of the games we play. We are meant to be immersed by their seeming realism. Everything about early access alpha releases is contradictory to what gaming is. The entire gaming industry literally collapsed in the 80's because of unfinished games, only to be built back up by companies who took pride in themselves and their products, and who refused to release less than great games. We are risking repeating history with these alphas. There is just no justification for it at all, and there is no other way to be than blunt and staight-forward about the harm it does to the company that participates in these alphas, and the gamers who play them. By the time DayZ comes out, there are a lot of aspects of DayZ that players will already be jaded by, because it will be too familiar, all too familiar to that clunky alpha that was almost unplayable. The entire map of Chenarus will be a treasure trove of bad memories. You've built up a wealth of disappointment and dissatisfaction that will not just disappear when the game is "finished." That's the risk you run by releasing alpha. You've already delivered the package. It was an incomplete package, but players received it, and they've had time with it. There is only so much adding extra frills to the game can do. The most basic experience is there and players have had hundreds of hours with it. A new coat of paint might not have the results you hope for. Again, that is the risk of releasing alpha. It would seem that there is a direct correlation between a game's time spent in alpha, and it's overall reception. The longer a game is in alpha, the less happy people become with it. This would lead any rational person to conclude that the best time in alpha is no time in alpha. With all that said, I'm rooting for you, along with a lot of other players. As you are more than well aware, there is a lot of passion surrounding this game and we all want DayZ to be a success. However, I think I speak for at least a good portion of us when I say that I have grown tired of seeing the devs try to avoid taking on responsibility. The way that you word your developer updates is careful and calculated so as never to accept blame or acknowledge mistakes made in a legitimate and honest way. Even in the video posted here, the issue is not being addressed honestly. The decision to release too early was made with the knowledge that the technology wasn't there. It was no surprise to anyone, least of all anyone on the development team. The decision to release too early was made on purpose, and If I'm really going to stab at the heart of the matter, the decision to release early was an effort to grab money that some other company could potentially grab with their own unfinished alpha copy-cat. We are not stupid. We all know what happened. Words can't change the past. Being honest with each other is an important first step on the path to a better future for DayZ. Edited April 11, 2017 by Solopopo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sanguine00 168 Posted April 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Solopopo said: The way that you word your developer updates is careful and calculated so as never to accept blame or acknowledge mistakes made in a legitimate and honest way. I'll be honest, sometimes this thought has crept into my head as well, but I think ultimately it comes down to point of view. From the devs' point of view, they expanded the scope of DayZ, and that expansion required new technology. From the point of view of many of the fans, this seems like a miscalculation, but to the devs this is just trying to make a good thing better. Ultimately, is it really that important? If DayZ 1.0 is great, then I don't think people will care about the drama and delays nearly as much as you think. Make a fun game, and people will play it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
green_mtn_grandbob 594 Posted April 12, 2017 21 minutes ago, sanguine00 said: I'll be honest, sometimes this thought has crept into my head as well, but I think ultimately it comes down to point of view. From the devs' point of view, they expanded the scope of DayZ, and that expansion required new technology. From the point of view of many of the fans, this seems like a miscalculation, but to the devs this is just trying to make a good thing better. Ultimately, is it really that important? If DayZ 1.0 is great, then I don't think people will care about the drama and delays nearly as much as you think. Make a fun game, and people will play it. They acknowledge mistakes, but the endgame will make some eat there typed words. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Domenico Corfeo 0 Posted April 14, 2017 Hi I am Italian, when I put down a weapon then I can no longer take it. This is a bug! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VVarhead 185 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) As a long time DayZ player I have to say: PLEASE rethink the amount of wolves in the game. They should be a rare encounter. How is that realistic? It breaks immersion and atmosphere to encounter 6 wolfpacks in 3 hours (last time I played). Edited April 23, 2017 by VVarhead Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheCreeper (DayZ) 3565 Posted April 18, 2017 On 4/15/2017 at 2:16 PM, VVarhead said: As a long time DayZ player I have to say: PLEASE rething the amount of wolves in the game. They should be a rare encounter. How is that realistic? It breaks immersion and atmosphere to encounter 6 wolfpacks in 3 hours (last time I played). Good to see a fellow /k/ member 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sqeezorz 839 Posted April 18, 2017 On 15.04.2017 at 8:16 PM, VVarhead said: As a long time DayZ player I have to say: PLEASE rething the amount of wolves in the game. They should be a rare encounter. How is that realistic? It breaks immersion and atmosphere to encounter 6 wolfpacks in 3 hours (last time I played). you lucky mushroom, i have search in one week (playtime ca. 10 houres) not one wolve seeing or hear.... and i have search this wild dog in the completly nord aera on severo est/west. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites