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[☣BioHaze☣ 7337]

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I didn't kill him, but I could've. -snip-

 

The story, for those who would care to hear it.

 

We had made a beeline for the apartments at Severograd trying to beat out the sunset to resume our zombie slaughter after some ammo stock piling.

 

Just as I make it to the roof, ColdAtrophy announces that he hears a rifle shot (he thinks it's a longhorn) that I do not.

 

I come down from the roof and cover the steps with my RAK leaving my friend to use his Winchester + scope to actually try to get eyes on the stranger.

 

In short order he hears another shot (which I do not) and zeros in on the fella.

 

Following him now as he fades towards the railroad tracks he fires 2 more times and ColdAtrophy says the sound from those shots was very loud but I still cannot hear the shots!

 

Kohlbar - we discussed our options, and I toyed with the idea of holding him up for the chance at a couple of items we needed to round out my kit. Had he made his way towards us I might have hatched a plan to surprise him but he kept edging away along the railroad tracks until he had gone away. At one point it seemed my friend had him dead to rights, sitting like the proverbial duck on some rocks (now he says it looks like a Repeater, to which I say it must be a Blaze if it sounded like a Longhorn. bingo_fuel were you on 1PP with your Blaze?), likely a fairly straightforward shot for my friend who is no slouch at range with a long rifle. We however would rather have a wide range of experiences rather than the wordless, least dynamic playstyle involving abject murder with little long term benefit.

 

Once the stranger was out of sight, we sat for a few extra minutes to make sure he wouldn't return and then exited the town.

 

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Earlier during that play session ColdAtrophy was followed closely through Cherno by a random guy. We were so close to meeting that I had him just keep coming to me and we basically joined up and was like, "What's up?" He, not expecting to run into a 2nd sounded a little surprised and asked if we were friends, which we confirmed, and his stalking quickly became a retreat.

Edited November 12, 2015 by BioHaze

[☣BioHaze☣ 7337]

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Let's add a motherfucking box magazine fed 200 round automatic M249 light machine gun.

 

That doesn't mean shit and you know it.

 

Remember that emotionally devoid snot nosed kid who has to kick over the sand castle in the sandbox every time just to watch the grief on the other kids faces?

 

Ever consider that might be you?

 

:emptycan:

[Rags! 1966]

That doesn't mean shit and you know it.

 

Remember that emotionally devoid snot nosed kid who has to kick over the sand castle in the sandbox every time just to watch the grief on the other kids faces?

 

Ever consider that might be you?

 

:emptycan:

 

If all I wanted to do in this game was grief other players as the quintessential exemplar of schadenfreude, then wouldn't I be happy to see more automatic death machines and other instruments of military grade carnage? Because I'm clearly not. Or maybe you can't read. I've never ever been an advocate of more military grade weaponry going back as far as I can remember. 

 

I won't hold my breath for an apology over the childish petty insults over nothing, though. But feel free to anyway.

[Mos1ey 6301]

That doesn't mean shit and you know it.

 

Remember that emotionally devoid snot nosed kid who has to kick over the sand castle in the sandbox every time just to watch the grief on the other kids faces?

 

Ever consider that might be you?

 

:emptycan:

 

You're free to debate opinions on the game's development but there's no need for the personal attacks. You know that stuff doesn't fly here.

[☣BioHaze☣ 7337]

If all I wanted to do in this game was grief other players as the quintessential exemplar of schadenfreude, then wouldn't I be happy to see more automatic death machines and other instruments of military grade carnage? Because I'm clearly not. Or maybe you can't read. I've never ever been an advocate of more military grade weaponry going back as far as I can remember. 

 

I won't hold my breath for an apology over the childish petty insults over nothing, though. But feel free to anyway.

 

 

From the guy who had the KoS personal title on this forum, I still call massive bullshit.

 

You can't redeem that by saying, "I don't want SVD infrared camo so I'm not the same as pure KoS".

 

And if you can't handle how I was classifying the entire practice of KoS as grief in my example then that's your problem for taking it so personally.

 

KoS is a component of psychology in sandbox play and the major driving force of that component is griefing.

 

Thanks for playing.

[Rags! 1966]

From the guy who had the KoS personal title on this forum, I still call massive bullshit.

 

You can't redeem that by saying, "I don't want SVD infrared camo so I'm not the same as pure KoS".

 

And if you can't handle how I was classifying the entire practice of KoS as grief in my example then that's your problem for taking it so personally.

 

KoS is a component of psychology in sandbox play and the major driving force of that component is griefing.

 

Thanks for playing.

 

Good to know you can sum up everything you need to know about somebody with their temporary DayZ forum title on the internet. 

[B4GEL 175]

I do think it is worth questioning the logic of adding belt fed LMGs.

First off the increasing rarity of ammo will make the SAW no more than a larger and heavier M4, if it were possible to acquire belts of 556 the whole loot system would become unbalanced. 

There's already 4 Nato crash site exclusive weapons  adding the FAL and SAW seems to me to be unnecessary variety for such a rare loot point, especially when there's only around 10 different rifles to be found in all the civilian locations on the map.

[wasnu (DayZ) 392]

I know how to encourage actual player interaction and reduce rampant killing on sight.

 

 

Let's add a motherfucking box magazine fed 200 round automatic M249 light machine gun.

 

but..BUT...those guns in dayz are made with so much "love" on details, i can´t beat them for bringing more guns  :blush:

[BleedoutBill 1636]

but..BUT...those guns in dayz are made with so much "love" on details, i can´t beat them for bringing more guns  :blush:

It's definitely beautiful, a true work of art!

[Rags! 1966]

but..BUT...those guns in dayz are made with so much "love" on details, i can´t beat them for bringing more guns  :blush:

 

I'm glad they are adding content, I'm glad they are detailed and good looking models. But...I wish they would put more emphasis on civilian weapon types and models, semi-automatic sporting rifles, handguns, hunting rifles...the things that would fill 95.6% of spawn locations that people would actually find. Not cater to helicopter spawn goodies and the end game that most people won't ever reach. 

 

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be good end game top tier gear here, but I just think it's odd that they pulled out a light machine gun before more civilian weapon variants instead.

[☣BioHaze☣ 7337]

Good to know you can sum up everything you need to know about somebody with their temporary DayZ forum title on the internet. 

 

 

I also knew you as anti-drone cam/3PP.

 

I also knew you as pro-scarcity.

 

I also know you can make nice GIF and content related post when you are so moved.

 

Once in a while you make with the funny.

 

Primarily though, you came about as a major proponent of KoS and had the most toxic to gameplay personal title I could imagine.

 

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I want guns like that in DayZ.... FOR KILLING ZOMBIES.

 

Something the PvP mostly community seems to forget is that military gear is the best for killing fucking zombies too!!

 

I want to search long and hard for some crazy Rambo gun and then go to Cherno and throw Molotovs onto hordes while mowing them down with my SAW.

 

I want military body armor to protect me from their filthy claws!

 

I'm glad people stopped saying, "He was in military gear, I had to shoot him!".

 

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I also do not fully agree with forumers like Noctoras who bang the gun scarcity drum constantly either.

 

With ammo scarcity in place we are already seeing confused KoS'rs trying to melee constantly rather than maybe try a different way to play....

[BleedoutBill 1636]

I hate this equip and kill guys, especally those spawn campers.

I don't disagree and I've been outspoken about the antisocial KOS crowd. The griefers are going to grief, whether they are armed with M4s, Trumpets, or clubs. I do like Hicks' latest initiative to make each round of ammunition valuable. It will definitely make the full auto weapons more impractical to keep fed and hopefully folks will think twice about randomly capping someone else, unless they genuinely feel threatened.

 

Some folks have complained that we don't need more guns, until (fill in the blank) the renderer, AI, or character controller has been completed. First of all, it's not the guns that are the problem, it's the mentality of those wielding the guns. Also, I don't see the logic of having the art folks sitting around, jerking off to porn all day, while they wait for the rendering team, the AI team, or the character controller team to finish their projects. If the art team have unfinished projects, they need to knock them out, regardless of what progress the other teams are making. Your average art guy doesn't know squat about DX11/12, anyway.

 

Many folks complain about the inclusion of military weapons, but honestly, since the 1911, Makarov PM, CZ75, G17, Walther P38 and Remington shotgun, to name but a few, have all been issued buy various armed forces, it would be challenging to select weapons that have not been used by some military. Let's not forget that even the Colt 1873 SAA was military issue at one point. And, just because they have never been MIL issue, does not mean that they are not lethal.

 

I confess that I was disappointed to see the inclusion of the RPG, but if aircraft are going to be in the game, I think there needs to be countermeasures.

 

Finally, we all want to see more and better zeds and the devs are making good progress on both fronts. They have decreased the server performance hit and the stealth mechanic is pretty entertaining for those whom are entertained by such things. Oh and remember when the zeds could see you from 1km away through walls? Yeah, that's been fixed. The best news is that work is still ongoing and the performance of the zeds will continue to improve.

[arlingtine 27]

I still have yet to find a chance to try this patch. Children sure take a lot of time when they first come around but are worth it. Liking how things sound tho. Looking foreward to hunting for food again. Like the idea of scarce ammo. Those barrel fireplaces look so sexy hopefully they make them persistant. Not sure what i think about lmg think i would like if it slowed u to a walk while carrying. They should make a persistant mount for it so it could be left as a base turret. Might balance it out a bit although im sure lack of ammo will do that anyway. Are there any screens of the lance? Curious what it looks like.

[Rags! 1966]

 

Primarily though, you came about as a major proponent of KoS and had the most toxic to gameplay personal title I could imagine.

 

I have never been a proponent of KOS at heart. But as the game lacks features, coagulates players, and features laughably easy survival, killing other players is the only thing in this game that I find enjoyable because as of now the competition against other human beings is literally the only aspect of DayZ that is even remotely engaging to me. Because there's nothing else to do. No zombies, no animals, food everywhere, guns everywhere, ammo everywhere...there's nothing to do beside killing players. And I haven't killed every player I see, but I certainly am predisposed to because most players have the same attitude that I have at the moment. I've been stabbed too many times in the back to trust other people at this point in the game.

 

I don't want KOS to be as rampant in the game's future, but right now, and for most of the game's development, it has been the most enjoyable thing about it. That's why I want there to be zombies and radioactive mutated hippopotamuses and food scarcity and low ammo spawning. That's why I complain about snipers sitting on buildings for hours and machine guns and bullets spawning out the wazoo. Until DayZ gives me anything to do besides find my enjoyment from playing deathmatch, I will continued to do it because that's all this game is right now. If I want survival against the environment, there are far better games to play until this one is done. 

 

Still don't know why you opened this all up with personal attacks, though, like I had done something to you. 

[Mos1ey 6301]

This topic isn't the place for personal feuds. Enough, please.

[☣BioHaze☣ 7337]

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Still don't know why you opened this all up with personal attacks, though, like I had done something to you. 

 

My original comment was supposed to inspire introspection and offer an objective context to the practice of KoS and possibly give pause to the flippant KoS personalities that makes DayZ... less DayZ.

 

Try to remember that you are (roughly) forumer #5,274 that I've had a similar KoS conversation with in these last 3+ years and the fact is the strongest KoS proponents burn out and are long gone (from here at least).

 

The KoS crowd is a large revolving door community pumping money into my survival game (thank you!).

 

The anti-KoS crowd sticks through it all and snowballs in size.

 

Lack of core components like infected, or balance like loot scarcity, is no reason to pull yourself from the immersion, IMO.

 

If all you see is PvP here, you'll probably enjoy ARMA more at the moment....

 

The more we encourage KoS with the "everybody's doing it so should I argument", the further we get from a survival game.

 

It's up to each and every one of you.

 

I apologize if we went so far off OT and for the ranting and ascerbic speech.

 

Edit: I posted this before I saw Mos1ey post above, apologies once more.

Edited November 12, 2015 by BioHaze

[BleedoutBill 1636]

Not sure what i think about lmg think i would like if it slowed u to a walk while carrying.

Ammo is already scarce and let's not forget that stamina will soon be introduced. I don't expect that we'll see too many folks who will be able to run from Elektro to the NWAF non-stop and also be able to keep up with their buddies, while they're lugging a SAW.

 

When stamina does come in, the devs definitely need to factor in the weight of ammunition ... it's not trivial!

[BleedoutBill 1636]

Lack of core components like infected, or balance like loot scarcity, is no reason to pull yourself from the immersion, IMO.

Being bored is not an excuse to become a griefer. If you're bored, play Fallout 4 for a while and come back later.

[IMT 3190]

Now that the SAW will be in, I can haz Mauser Karabiner 98 kurz?

It's the most beautiful bolt-action rifle in existence and many bolt-action rifles are based on it.

They just need to add it because they're so good with weapon modelling. :lol:

You just don't have the skills to shoot him or you would have. A screenshot isn't the same :)

Hate to disappoint you but I think Cold isn't a regular "omg wtf check out my quickscope skills"-sniper.

Judging from the screenshot, if it was me who was taking the shot he wouldn't have survived.

Luckily for people I am not a worse bandit. :)

[BleedoutBill 1636]

Now that the SAW will be in, I can haz Mauser Karabiner 98 kurz?

It's the most beautiful bolt-action rifle in existence and many bolt-action rifles are based on it.

Another military rifle beloved by sportsmen!

 

Some "civilian" weapons are adopted by the military and some military weapons are adopted by civilians. In many instances, these distinctions are meaningless. A Remington M700 is just as lethal as a Dragunov and this "hunting rifle" has been pressed into service by the military as a sniper rifle for decades. Of course I don't think that I've ever seen a "civilian" tactical nuke, so I suppose that there are some uses for this distinction, if you look hard enough.

[Tatanko 5591]

Another military rifle beloved by sportsmen!

 

Some "civilian" weapons are adopted by the military and some military weapons are adopted by civilians. In many instances, these distinctions are meaningless. A Remington M700 is just as lethal as a Dragunov and this "hunting rifle" has been pressed into service by the military as a sniper rifle for decades. Of course I don't think that I've ever seen a "civilian" tactical nuke, so I suppose that there are some uses for this distinction, if you look hard enough.

There's also the factor of having a distinct preference for a particular firearm regardless of its classification or practicality. I love my .257 Roberts more than any other gun I've ever fired, and I'd probably choose it over something like an AR15 if the apocalypse happened tomorrow :)

[ColdAtrophy 1850]

"civilian" tactical nuke

 

I laughed so hard that I had to wipe away some tears. I'm not sure why, it just hit me the right way. 

[Kohlbar 270]

Personally, I'm all for the SAW and RPG, of course the ammo will be rare, and the guns will be heavy. This would probably encourage people to plan a strategic vantage point and set-up before using these weapons, and they would also be really good for guarding a loot hot-spot or base-defense (if that is ever a thing) The SAW and RPG would probably be viewed as prized possessions by the most well-geared crews; not something to carelessly bring to Elektro to get the barrel hot. Still dreaming of the day the Zombie hordes will be big and scary enough to qualify these weapons, but that's another thing. Whatever the case, I doubt heavily that these weapons will be abused or become a major component in KoS culture...

[Killawife 599]

How about, in the name of player interaction, instead of implementing more ways to kill people, implement some ways to avoid getting killed or actually saving people. As it is now, if you get hit by a decent weapon, youre dead. If you fall unconscious, the player who shot you will 9 times out of 10 kill you. How about making it so that your character can actually be revived by other players.

Also, wearing a plate carrier or a ballistic helmet should effectively stop a lot of incoming fire not just reduce the damage from "absolutely positively kill you" to " kill you"

 

I know its supposed to be realistic and a tough game and all but what about.....fun?

[Noctoras 409]

yeah new weapons .....

 

 will add a lot to the gameplay :huh: . I'm tempted to say "just what this game needs right now" ... yes, I know, I am being a bitch these days, but noone needs gun number 212 right now, the game needs content and challenge. The return of the infected is a good start, but things should not stop there - and the amount of guns is by far sufficient for the moment. It feels like a car in which loudspeaker number 45 is added whilst the car still has no engine ... this game had so much potential :(