Lets talk about 22. lr

[foamninja 77]

Hang on gotta fap . . .

[King of kong 1117]

It'd be ok. But provided it wasn't spawning in towns too much. Not everyone has as much access to guns as the US Citizens do. I doubt shotguns would be very common in esidential areas, more likely wilderness homes

[R.J. 70]

If this .22 is going to have the equivalent stopping power of the Makarov, what's the point? The only time I see players use it is in situations in which they were desperado for gear. Even in this case, it was better to run than unload on your enemy.

 

I'm not criticizing excitement for the weapon, but how can the devs boost its ability over higher tier'd weapons without ruining the balance between them? If it will take 5 rounds to do the same damage the Hunting Rifle can do in one, why bother? My guess is it will need some type of special ability to seperate it from the pack or the hatchet will probably end up being the goto weapon of choice.

[gibonez 3633]

If this .22 is going to have the equivalent stopping power of the Makarov, what's the point? The only time I see players use it is in situations in which they were desperado for gear. Even in this case, it was better to run than unload on your enemy.

 

I'm not criticizing excitement for the weapon, but how can the devs boost its ability over higher tier'd weapons without ruining the balance between them? If it will take 5 rounds to do the same damage the Hunting Rifle can do in one, why bother? My guess is it will need some type of special ability to seperate it from the pack or the hatchet will probably end up being the goto weapon of choice.

 

The appeal will be the sheer amount of the ammo for the weapon.

 

The very low volume it has and how accurate it is.

 

Aim for the head and the 22 lr will be deadly on players.

[Zogvarn 118]

R.J.: You are looking at it from a pvp stand point which is good don't get me wrong. The .22 would need more shots in a pvp situation sure. Nothing wrong with that and I don't see any reason the devs would need to balance it. Here is the thing. Weapons don't need to be balanced.

 

Different weapons perform different roles. The .22 would, lets say, excel at zed killing due to its low noise ratio and abundant ammo. In contrast, an AK or M4 would be better for pvp due to stopping power and the ability for full auto, but still be loud enough to discourage random use against zeds.

[dnk 18]

If you can jury rig a suppressor, then assuming the weapons/ammo are both 1) abundant (relatively) and 2) small in storage and 3) very quiet, then they're perfect zombie-killing sidearms. I'd use them a ton, because for zombies those are the only 3 metrics that are really important.

[mrscratch 20]

I never said...

I don't know what to tell you man. Agree to disagree at this point as I've heard of cases with up to four bounces when talking to EMS. They'll flat out tell you it's one of the most common rounds that they lose people too.

[badbull 0]

To everyone who is saying its not suitable for killing, and proofs ofc.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting

 

These two sad shootings were made with .22 handgun.

[gibonez 3633]

To everyone who is saying its not suitable for killing, and proofs ofc.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting

 

These two sad shootings were made with .22 handgun.

 

Let us not forget

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Ronald_Reagan

 

 

Weapon used.

[-Gews- 7443]

Let us not forget

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Ronald_Reagan]http://en.wikipedia.org

But no deaths, despite the following injuries:

The first bullet hit White House Press Secretary James Brady in the head

The second bullet hit District of Columbia police officer Thomas Delahanty in the back of his neck as he turned to protect Reagan

the fourth bullet hit Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy in the abdomen

The sixth and final bullet [...] hit the president in his left underarm, grazing a rib and lodging in his lung, stopping nearly 1 inch from his heart

Not harmless, but not "teh d3adly".

[gibonez 3633]

But no deaths, despite the following injuries:

The first bullet hit White House Press Secretary James Brady in the head

The second bullet hit District of Columbia police officer Thomas Delahanty in the back of his neck as he turned to protect Reagan

the fourth bullet hit Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy in the abdomen

The sixth and final bullet [...] hit the president in his left underarm, grazing a rib and lodging in his lung, stopping nearly 1 inch from his heart

Not harmless, but not "teh d3adly".

 

Fine

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Robert_F._Kennedy

 

A 22 lr revolver was used.

[Firstbornchicken 34]

Just popping in to say i shot a ~80 Kg.  Wild boar last year with a air powered pellet gun.

 

I think it safe to assume that the most common caliber in the world (.22) would be in a game about a civil public surviving.

Just the fact it is easier to find a military assault rifle than a .22, is so far fetched it is quite immersion breaking to be honest.

 

 

The people arguing that there are cases of people being shot in the head etc with a .22 and surviving, all seem to forget that this is with the aid of advanced western hospitals, and not torn t-shits and medkits :) (A young girl took a close quarter shot to the head from an AK and survived btw. It happens)

 

Without medical care, a shot in the head from a .22 is lethal, You would have a larger chance of winning the lottery than surviving.

Edited December 27, 2013 by Firstbornchicken

[CommodoreFrank 13]

So you admit you made up the hitman thing, good. And no, actually, I'm not asking you make shit up, because you were the one who originally said it. You simply made shit up to begin with.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=.22+hitmen

 

I don't know why you have to be such an anus about it when a simple search shows that it's pretty accepted that a silent killer greatly benefits from using .22 caliber weaponry. Way to make a mountain out of a molehill.

[-Gews- 7443]

Fine

A 22 lr revolver was used.

And this was the result:

Kennedy had been shot three times. One bullet, fired at a range of about 1 inch (2.54 cm), entered behind his right ear, dispersing fragments throughout his brain.

The same thing, or worse, would have happened with any larger caliber in the Kennedy or Hinckley incident.

Like I said before I never said .22 wasn't lethal, but some people in the past couple pages have said it is (quote) "literally the most dangerous round in the world", which is of course nonsense, and which is the reason I had to mention the four non-fatal injuries in the Reagan assassination attempt.

[gibonez 3633]

And this was the result:

Kennedy had been shot three times. One bullet, fired at a range of about 1 inch (2.54 cm), entered behind his right ear, dispersing fragments throughout his brain.

The same thing, or worse, would have happened with any larger caliber in the Kennedy or Hinckley incident.

Like I said before I never said .22 wasn't lethal, but some people in the past couple pages have said it is (quote) "literally the most dangerous round in the world", which is of course nonsense, and which is the reason I had to mention the four non-fatal injuries in the Reagan assassination attempt.

 

 

Yea the .22 lr is not the most lethal round in the world but what it is is notorious for murders.

 

It is preferred by assassins for its small size and noise. In the United state it is probably the most used caliber for murders especially among gang members.

[Dr. Goner 661]

Its the most common firearms in the world.

 

Its the most versatile weapon too. You can use it to hunt, to target practice, etc.

 

Within the world of dayz it would make alot of sense. Say you want to scavenge a town safely without drawing attention to yourself.

 

The 22 lr is quiet enough and ammo is plenty enough that you would be able to take out the zombies in a town not draw aggro from players or zombies.

So you can quietly enter, get out and nobody would know you hit that town.

 

It has some use as a player killing weapon but it would require lots of skill since only a shot to the heart or head would have any chance at incapacitating a player.

 

This is so, true. And a shot in the arm or ass would cause significant discomfort and chance of infection.

[gibonez 3633]

This is so, true. And a shot in the arm or ass would cause significant discomfort and chance of infection.

 

 

If only Rocket would allow you to infect bullets with feces or zombie blood delivering infection to a player shot.

 

You can then follow their diseased bodies during which time they cant disconnect and then finally watch them die after you stalk them for and hour or so.

[Benlandia 73]

If only Rocket would allow you to infect bullets with feces or zombie blood delivering infection to a player shot.

 

You can then follow their diseased bodies during which time they cant disconnect and then finally watch them die after you stalk them for and hour or so.

 

Depending on the velocity or energy of the bullet, your risk of infection is low due to the fact that the bullet itself is sterilized from the heat of the firing process. During the civil war era it was important to take a bullet out because it would push clothing into the wound and cause sepsis if not removed. Modern rounds are VERY hot, which is why most victims of gunshot wounds say it feels like an intense burning sensation.

[DeceasedPath 21]

When they add the Ruger 10/22 I hope they add the factory 25 round mags you can buy (BX25). I have a few of these irl and they are sweet.

[DeceasedPath 21]

If only Rocket would allow you to infect bullets with feces or zombie blood delivering infection to a player shot.

 

You can then follow their diseased bodies during which time they cant disconnect and then finally watch them die after you stalk them for and hour or so.

An hour would be terrible unless they fixed the respawn button. I think it would be cool to have a 10% chance of this with an infected bullet.

[mrscratch 20]

And this was the result:

Kennedy had been shot three times. One bullet, fired at a range of about 1 inch (2.54 cm), entered behind his right ear, dispersing fragments throughout his brain.

The same thing, or worse, would have happened with any larger caliber in the Kennedy or Hinckley incident.

Like I said before I never said .22 wasn't lethal, but some people in the past couple pages have said it is (quote) "literally the most dangerous round in the world", which is of course nonsense, and which is the reason I had to mention the four non-fatal injuries in the Reagan assassination attempt.

 

I agree that it is not hands down the king of the most dangerous round in the world throne but it is extremely high up there specifically because of the pinball factor. As I stated previously I have spoken to EMS first responders and one of them has verified that they had a patient once that actually had four bounces from a 22 caliber gunshot wound. They will tell you that they lose people all the time due to 22's. And the fact of the matter is that in a situation like the ones you encounter in DayZ you are not repairing organs with a torn t-shirt. Even a single bounce relocating the bullet is curtains for you if you do not receive professional medical service immediately. We can argue ballistics all day however you have yet to bring anything remotely credible to the table other then your own personal opinions as to what you think would happen.

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

 

The this round vs that round for stopping power lethality argument has existed since before the beginnings of the net.

 

The main thrust of this thread is should .22lr or other be in game.

 

Almost any round can kill/incapacitate, heck if I stub my toe or get punched in the nose or tread on a plug/lego, I stop whatever Im doing.

 

It hurts.

 

Do .22 belong in dayz from an "semi realistic" view? Should the common round of choice be some Russian super round meant for breaching engine blocks but fired from a metal tube?

 

Or as was suggested before by a German chap (i think) as a more common round he has encountered in his hunting trips?

 

Lets stick to that. The other argument is eternal.

 

Rdgs

 

LoK

[gibonez 3633]

Hello there

 

The this round vs that round for stopping power lethality argument has existed since before the beginnings of the net.

 

The main thrust of this thread is should .22lr or other be in game.

 

Almost any round can kill/incapacitate, heck if I stub my toe or get punched in the nose or tread on a plug/lego, I stop whatever Im doing.

 

It hurts.

 

Do .22 belong in dayz from an "semi realistic" view? Should the common round of choice be some Russian super round meant for breaching engine blocks but fired from a metal tube?

 

Or as was suggested before by a German chap (i think) as a more common round he has encountered in his hunting trips?

 

Lets stick to that. The other argument is eternal.

 

Rdgs

 

LoK

 

I though chenarus was essentially the Czech republic ?

[Borislaw 6]

Hello. I'm from one of the eastern Europe republics, ex Warsaw Pact country. I'm from family with hunting traditions and I know some hunters here and I also know what weapons they are using the most. I think that 95% of hunting rifles here are bolt-action, either in 7.62*54r, .308 winchester, 7*64, 30-06 springfield, .222 or .223rem. These rifles usually have 3 to 6 rounds in magazine which is in 50% of cases internal part of the gun.

22LR is used in sport competitions, always fired from bolt action rifles or single-shot rifles though sport shooting is unpopular here. 7.62*39 round is very cheap and also used in some sport guns (not only in AK variants). So 22LR is not very common but is known here and sometimes used. Sport guns are many times less common than hunting guns, and hunting guns are actually very rare - most people here do not know how firearm looks like or how to operate one. Under regime of the communists our governments succesfully disarmed all citizens to make sure that there wouldn't be any uprising or disorder. This is working to present day. Besides from bolt action rifles every hunter have the double barreled shotgun. Pump actions or semi automatic are very rare - I've met only one hunter with semiauto shotgun. American military weapons such as M4 or M16 are non existing here. Automatics in private civilizan's hands are banned of sourse. Some hunters managed to get AK/AKM/AKMS rifles and they are always only semi automatic, usually with small magazines with 3 or 5 round capacity. These carbines in civilian hands are rare though. Any "tactical" accesories such as bipods, additional handguards, lights or even red dot sights are unpopular - flashlight attached to the rifle is actually illegal in some countries here.

There are still some old guns in use such as Mosin or Mauser, there are also some modified versions of these rifles, for example Mosin with longer barrel, Mauser chambered in .308win and other things like that.

I've heard that some Russian hunters are using SKS Simonow because these guns are cheap - but for example not easy accessible in my country so that varies on place.

http://community.bistudio.com/wiki/File:arma_2_island_locations.jpg

This is the map of Chernarus. As you can see it's located between Russia and Takistan. Chernarus is NOT Czech Republic, do some research before posting such nonsense. I found it after typing Chernarus in Google within few seconds. All roadmarks in Chernarus are written using Cyrilllic, not Latin letters - this thing alone should indicate that it's not Czech. Only the terrain shape is based on Bohemian region of the Czech Republic.

 

I think that .22LR could be used in dayz game, but it should me many times less popular than any hunting rounds or even AKM rounds.

 

PS. .22LR is illegal for hunting in my country - it has too low kinetic energy. A hunter can't own a single .22LR bullet or gun that fires that round - that's also illegal. Maybe that round is popular in western Europe or America, but in eastern Europe is rather rare compared to any hunting round.
 

Edited December 28, 2013 by Borislaw

[beardedcap 22]

I wouldn't mind seeing the 10/22 as it's such an insanely popular rifle.  It wouldn't really be too useful until they add hunting/cooking varmints.  It would have a little use as a weapon if you can't find anything else first.