Arma3 Third person fix mod...thoughts?

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

Could use some polish, butt overall a cool way to get rid of an overused exploit.

 

p.s Frankie won't like it.  :P

[belphegor_goatzombie 100]

No, it is actually quite clever as a script and from what I see here it shouldn't eat far too much of your resources.

 

 ...if (lineIntersects _this || {terrainIntersectASL _this}) then...

 

No, it is using ray-casting.

[Jamz 253]

The question is, is thinking about something like this even necessary now with split hives? Implementing it could potentially take up development time and resources and the player base is hungry for the SA to move forwards in terms of content... I like the idea, but as said it would have to be improved a lot more before it would fit seamlessly into the game.

[GriefSlicer (DayZ) 84]

This would be such a good feature to have in DayZ SA as right now 3RD person just makes combat boring and unfair at points. As kyle stated running through a forest will make other people flicker, because you are constantly blocking your LOS with them. This really does remind me of project zomboid.

[Wyrmgol 26]

I play regular and "hardcore".  When I'm playing "hardcore" I don't want to see around the wall at all.

You can also still line up shots if you know what they are behind by seeing over the wall.

 

I don't like the disappearing/reappearing either.  It breaks immersion which is what I play "hardcore" for.

I like the current setup - 1st or 3rd person.  We don't need an in-between.

 

I'd also like to see a video of this working in a forest and then a play test of 2 groups trying to fight in a forest

with all the phasing in and out going on.

[soulfirez 901]

LOl i suggested this 2 months ago in the fix not remove 3pp thread.. Lets just say it went down like a lead ballon with the oh the popping in ruins my immersion no i dont like it wahh wah. Basicly a large chunk of the 3pp players are use to using 3pp to its fullest and do not want to let it go .

 

But hey 2 months on maybe there more responsive now but i doubt it...

[LigerRider 82]

Third person is third person. That is how it is, "exploitable" or not. First person servers are there for a reason. 

 

This is my personal opinion only. If this feature ever does get introduced, I would definitely stop playing third person servers all together and stick to first person servers. 

[Wyrmgol 26]

LOl i suggested this 2 months ago in the fix not remove 3pp thread.. Lets just say it went down like a lead ballon with the oh the popping in ruins my immersion no i dont like it wahh wah. Basicly a large chunk of the 3pp players are use to using 3pp to its fullest and do not want to let it go .

 

But hey 2 months on maybe there more responsive now but i doubt it...

"wahh wah?"  90% of the people play on 3pv servers only.  Thats why you 1pv server only players are trying to "fix" 3pv.

Stop trying to force the majority to play the way YOU want them to. 

 

There is nothing wrong with 3pv.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Wyrmgol

[Hetstaine 10852]

Seen the Fourth Wall a few times now, needs a lot of polish to be game friendly though :) 

[cels 43]

Not a fan of playing first person only and not a fan of people using 3rd for its ability to see people and infested around corners and over walls.

If people want to keep 3rd person how it is now for whatever reason well than thats fine.. Make it so whoever is running the server can choose between 1st person only, both, or both with LoS fixed.

If not ill just end up dealing with 3rd person how it is now since the majority of my gameplay isnt really dealing with other players as much.

Edited March 11, 2014 by cels

[Martmital 436]

I'd be cool with something like this, but the popping is awful.

[soulfirez 901]

"wahh wah?"  90% of the people play on 3pv servers only.  Thats why you 1pv server only players are trying to "fix" 3pv.

Stop trying to force the majority to play the way YOU want them to. 

 

There is nothing wrong with 3pv

Perfect example of what i mean lol.. if there was nothing wrong with it why during development did the devs think about fixing altering it??? Again i care little for what actually happens for 3pp i suggested it originally as a good alternative to those screaming remove 3pp which would be silly to do..

 

No one is forcing anything i just pointed out ya scream and cry like little girls having there lolly taken away when anyone makes a suggestion kinda like you just did LOL..

Edited March 11, 2014 by SoulFirez

[Valadain 270]

no sense argue

 

in 1st person if you don't see him because is wall there what is matter if he there or not there because YOU CANNOT EVER SEE HIM  :huh:

 

he will be there when you move head to see him even if is single pixel for see, in video he demonstrate this when you seeing only top of head in 1st and 3rd view ;)

 

also player will be there for other player if they having line of sight

 

so player only 'appear' and 'disappear' when you going in and out of magic view mode :huh:

 

and if you want to see your player ass so much and use supernatural view point don't worry if reality seem strange because 3rd person is strange ;)

 

You are missing the point. I'm not complaining if they do it well. If they don't do it well, however, it will impact both first and third person. That is, if there is something that falsely triggers that you can't see someone, it will make them pop in unexpectedly on third or first equally. I'm not arguing against the solve, I'm just saying it better be really well done or I'd rather keep what we have.

[Valadain 270]

No, it is actually quite clever as a script and from what I see here it shouldn't eat far too much of your resources.

 

It may be a clever script, but it can't stay a clever script as it will just be one more tool for hackers. It would have to be embedded in the game or handled server side, which is where my concern kicks in. Any delays in triggering the "visibility" of the player would be worse than what we have now.

[wild_man 4442]

You are missing the point. I'm not complaining if they do it well. If they don't do it well, however, it will impact both first and third person. That is, if there is something that falsely triggers that you can't see someone, it will make them pop in unexpectedly on third or first equally. I'm not arguing against the solve, I'm just saying it better be really well done or I'd rather keep what we have.

 

 

ok I was misunderstand point you making :)

 

I agree is need improve and for sure give idea like this to BIS and they put team for fix they doing nice job ;)

[lumo1234 68]

LOl i suggested this 2 months ago in the fix not remove 3pp thread.. Lets just say it went down like a lead ballon with the oh the popping in ruins my immersion no i dont like it wahh wah. Basicly a large chunk of the 3pp players are use to using 3pp to its fullest and do not want to let it go .

 

But hey 2 months on maybe there more responsive now but i doubt it...

 

I was just about to post the last time this was posted it was shot down in flames of people who claim they dont use 3pp to safely peak round corners etc... but provide 3rd person with this no one wants it.

 

Either way makes no difference to me, i play both reg and hardcore i just find i seem to care less about my regular characters and i honestly recommend hardcore over regular, just turn head bob all the way off and its fine and the game feels a lot more tense. Also you know in a firefight you can safely watch a corner without someone being able to magically see you around it :P 

[DerDuderich 149]

Honestly - I don't like it.

 

I play 3rd person a lot. NOT because I want to gain an unfair advantage or because I like to peak around corners, but because for me DayZ is more a roleplaying-game (like Gothic) than an ego-shooter (like STALKER or Borderlands). Sure, when I get into a fight, I switch to 1st person for aiming. But that happens basically only like 1% of my playtime.

 

The rest of the time it gives me more pleasure to see my character from 3rd person view. I can check the clothes he is wearing and so on. It's kinda the "SIMS for men" feeling I like about 3rd person. There is this little guy/girl on my screen that I can control and I'm responsible for his/her fortune.

 

I know I will be flamed by the "hardcore-faction" for this statement... but for me something like this would completly ruin game and atmosphere because objects just mystically "popping up" in the middle of my screen... that sucks.

 

If something like this is added to the game, it should be the admins choice to enable/disable it on his server.

[Weyland Yutani (DayZ) 1159]

That 30 second intro is probably the best intro I've seen to date. Watched it about 4x. Bravo!

 

As fas as the script, I do not like it at all. Invisible players will not work it, no way Jose. I can just imagine how that can get bugged or exploited.

 

The only way they can fix 3PP exploiting is to move the camera down more. Its obviously too high.

 

I was really hoping for something in this video because I love 3PP, but can't play it anymore because of all the exploits that come with it.

 

 

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

The best fix would be to remove 1pp from regular servers and make it 3pp only.  There is absolutely no reason the two should have been mixed in the first place.  Then everyone gets a level playing field.

[lumo1234 68]

The best fix would be to remove 1pp from regular servers and make it 3pp only.  There is absolutely no reason the two should have been mixed in the first place.  Then everyone gets a level playing field.

 

This could also work, but have an accurate(ish) crosshair for 3rd person mode.

[leefriendfield 438]

I was viewing This Thread when I cam across people saying third person sucks, third person is ok and third person is perfect, don't touch it. My question to you is would you want to see any balancing done to third person and if so to what degree?

 

I think that this games having third person is a cool way of seeing your character, but currently it is abused by people looking through walls. In oder to fix this I think that when you are in third person your FOV should be down to the absolute minimum or have a little way like in Borderlands 2 in which when you open your gear you go to third person to see your character.

 

EDIT: Here is a video of another solution in wich the player while in third person can not see enemys in third person if they are not in a direct line of sight with the player.

 

Skip to 3:36

Edited March 24, 2014 by LeeFriendField

[elLoCo 154]

Yes, I want to get rid of it at all!

 

Edit: That's just my oppinion I just like it 'hardcore'

Edited March 24, 2014 by elLoCo

[Ubernaut 297]

I would support a tightening of the camera perspective. If you want true 1PP, just play on a server that's set up that way. Problem solved.

[Elle 562]

Yes, I want to get rid of it at all!

 

Edit: That's just my oppinion I just like it 'hardcore'

so just play the hardcore servers - that's what they are there for.

[Valadain 270]

I don't think I could care less about third person if I tried. There is already an option for those who don't want it. For those who do want it, you know the dangers and need to adjust your play accordingly. It wasn't added for casuals, it is just something that has been in Arma and was carried over by mod players who liked it.

 

Honestly, what I want is the ability to turn head bob to nil, that is the main thing screwing with my preferred perspective of first person.