Private Shard Pricing is Outrageous

[IReadTheAgreement 313]

Nobody knows the answer really but Chances are high that the Official HIVE will never have any Privately hosted Servers connected to it.

 

Here is how i understand this all:

• Public HIVE
• Public HIVE Database
• Private Shard
• Private HIVE

The Public HIVE is connected to the HIVE Database.

The Private Shards are also connected to the HIVE Database.

 

Private HIVEs (not released) are not connected to any central Database from BI.

 

That's what I figured.  Thanks for the good reply.

[Valdenburg 200]

You guys do realize that every private shard needs a separate database for characters while public servers share a single one? This means running private shards requires more hardware which of course is more expensive.

Actually i guess that the only database is the Persistent storage files. Wich are hosted on your machine and on every machine even when it is not a Private Shard.

 

The Character data is saved on the HIVE database - wich would explain character loss while a private server shard is restarting - the server was not connected to the HIVE database and could not fetch the character data.

 

 

That's what I figured.  Thanks for the good reply.

No problem you are welcome! when you have more questions also feel free to add me on steam ;)

[Evil Minion 943]

You still need the extra space for the extra characters. If they are saved in a separate database you need to pay for it - and if they are saved on the official database it needs it grow bigger with each private shard - and you need to pay for it. Either way private hives demand much more memory space as potentially every player could have a character on every shard as well as the public servers.

 

Persistence should be the same regardless of server type. Same with other parameters (thats why "shard").

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

And i see no issues in bleeding dry private shards. You don't want to provide community service? You get taxed.

[Max Planck 7174]

And i see no issues in bleeding dry private shards. You don't want to provide community service? You get taxed.

 

Private shard hosters provide a community service too, hosting servers for people to play on. There might be a few who will restrict their server to their own closed group, but I'm pretty sure the majority want other people to play with.

[Valdenburg 200]

Private shard hosters provide a community service too, hosting servers for people to play on. There might be a few who will restrict their server to their own closed group, but I'm pretty sure the majority want other people to play with.

You are totally right in what you say. Guess People see this too selfish and only think about admins that are players who want a advantage inGame by hosting Servers/Shards.

When you do not want such admins just join our Shard :D

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

Private shard hosters provide a community service too, hosting servers for people to play on. There might be a few who will restrict their server to their own closed group, but I'm pretty sure the majority want other people to play with.

Yeah they do, just not "everyone" and only in an environment they control.

[Weyland Yutani (DayZ) 1159]

Just wondering what your source is for these prices?

These numbers are from the respective hosting sites. Multiplay and Fragnet.

 

Servers prices go on factors hardware required (DayZ needs a lot of power,same as arma), bandwidth ( DayZ requires a lot of this) for  as quoted above you pay for your own slice lowering prices will come as hardware becomes cheaper, other games are a lot cheaper due to the fact you can run more on a dedicated machine.

 

I've read this from ya'll quite often so I looked into these machines and they are basically double strength (if I'm not mistaken) of DayZ mod machines so where do they get off charging triple price? In the mod a public server was the same price as a private server, but now its more w/fee's fee's fee's?

 

We just closed an account with Gameservers. Reason we stopped using them is the machines and service to be blunt are shit. I've had to put in well over a dozen tickets and response to said tickets many times was well over 72 hours. When we had persistence enabled and requested a rollback (because they don't have an option to do it manually in the ACP) it took 48 hours for them to elloborate on a simple question and the rollback feature was on a 12 hour cycle.

 

We had to switch machines almost immediately in our contract as server restarts will wiping players almost every restart. Most recently, we've been getting off-schedule restarts with persistence disabled that are sometimes 20 minutes apart. Everything is running fine then there is a cluster of these restarts. Many donators (15 donators) are losing items in their backpacks randomly during these off-schedule restarts.

 

It took GS practically a week to address this issue by simply saying "We apologize for the long delaye here. We do expect these stability issues and other performance issues to be addressed when the next patch is released. A tentative ETA for this to occue si the 29th of this month."

 

And we're expected to pay MORE money?

 

If you're absent-minded enough to pay for an alpha server in the first place, what's another few bucks? You're getting virtually nothing for your money. You can kick people and restart the server. You're better off just server hopping for free.

Fools and their money are soon parted, i guess.

Its roughly a 3rd more in price. Not exactly a few bucks. Private shards have RPT logs and whitelisting which puts every GUID in the hands of admins with ban powers which is a lot more than what is currently available.

 

I am sick and tired of getting hacked on a daily basis and I don't want to hear anybodies cookie cutter experience of not running into any hackers. I have 1.7K SA hours and we're running into hackers in a daily basis. We go on 30 player servers to avoid them, still there. Stay out of hot zones like Berezino, still there.

 

Last night we got Esp/Tele hacked in a remote spot down south and when we respawned my friend ran into a freshy who described both hackers and how they were in Novo minutes before doing the same thing. Our community wants a hacker free environment and the private shard is the only way to achieve this.

 

If Bohemia got their act straight and let public shard users have access to RPT logs the hacker situation would be much different. Admins could cross reference worldspace and GUIDs and make accurate reports for internal banning. Yet, this is a feature you have to pay for. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it almost seems like they let the hackers run wild on purpose because the end result is if you want to be hacker-free you got to pay.

 

I know they have an entire team working on security and beating hacks, but lets hire a few more bodies and let US help them do something about getting some bans in the DB. But Dean is all about fixing and not banning…something has got to give and fixing hacks isn't working. Since 0.49, hacks have been stronger than ever. Steam charts indicate player-base is half. Reason for that is (check reddit on the subject) is the hacker presence is out of control. The bubble was supposed to prevent all this hacking, yet here we are. Lets put some tools in the hands of the community and work together in doing somehting positive instead of finding ways to drain more money from the community.

Edited October 26, 2014 by Weyland Yutani

[Judopunch 523]

Surely Bohemia is getting a cut off of the server hosting fees, otherwise they would have no reason to ONLY go with just about the worst gaming server hosts available, and allow them to charge whatever fucking price they think is appropriate.

 

$3 a slot for Fragnet's private server, yeah fucking right.  For $1500 a year, I can host my own fucking badass server with quality up and down, which is NOT what you get from ANY of the current service providers.  They all run several virtual server machines on a single server and don't give a fuck if your performance suffers.  Quality choices, Bohemia.  Really knocking it out of the park with the whole "Even though your private shard characters can't ever get on the public hive, let's continue to fuck over our playerbase who are the ones fitting the bill for every single server except Experimental servers, and who will continue to fit the bill for the rest of the game's existence with these bullshit hosting services that charge entirely way too much, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN.

 

I have faith in the project, it's come a long way since December 2013, but you guys need to get your heads out of your asses on this one.  Private shards are here, open them up like they were before so this bullshit monopoloy on hosting DayZ servers goes the fuck away.

 

Anyone at Bohemia, or anyone on these forums representing Bohemia and the project, who feels comfortable with that, please censor this post.  If you feel great about having the playerbase continuously screwed over month to month, just so everyone else can play the game, because as we know 10 experimental servers won't handle the 4,000 people playing the game at all times of the day.  What a joke.

And at some point you will be able to. But not until release. 

 

Because we are in early Alpha you need to stick with the providers chosen by BI. Good, or bad.

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

And i see no issues in bleeding dry private shards. You don't want to provide community service? You get taxed.

 

Wow, alright. This logic is fucked up.

 

Why should someone have to pay excessively more just to have their server private if what is needed to run it is just a tiny bit more then normal? You're promoting artificial price inflation. Shame on you.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

And people are screaming for 100+ player servers  :lol: .

 

In all seriousness tho, you pay more for your own private loot farm.  Deal with.

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

And i see no issues in bleeding dry private shards. You don't want to provide community service? You get taxed.

Seems like providing a server hopper and blatant hacker free whitelisted server is probably the best service someone could provide for the community. But that's just me.

[blindwuzi 37]

And people are screaming for 100+ player servers  :lol: .

 

In all seriousness tho, you pay more for your own private loot farm.  Deal with.

Yeah, who is going to pay the price of these 100 man servers if these are the prices now?

Edited October 27, 2014 by blindwuzi

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Yeah, who is going to pay the price of these 100 man servers is these are the prices now?

It turns into pay to play for those servers.

[gibonez 3633]

Yea let's all get outraged at the prices for servers for an in development incomplete game.

I agree that the prices are a load of crap like everyone else but let's be honest opening a private server for an incomplete game like dayz is a waste of time and money.

Now if the game is complete and the prices remain at these stupid levels then by all means rage. Or better yet rent Arma 3 epoch, or any of the other dozen dayz clones that surely would be available in the future and completely bypass the prices.

[gg_wolf 56]

Totally agree with the overpriced statement, but it was nice to see an email from Vilayer this morning showing their prices are the cheapest currently (30 slot = £50, 40 slot = £66). Hopefully we can arrange some sort of discount with them (have in the past) and finally get our shard up.

But a 100+% mark up on servers is ridiculous imo.

What's everyone's opinion on admins charging players a small fee to gain access to their shards? As I've seen a couple of shards doing this (totally understand given the overheads) just gauging opinion for the time being.

[HIHBGaming 14]

Totally agree with the overpriced statement, but it was nice to see an email from Vilayer this morning showing their prices are the cheapest currently (30 slot = £50, 40 slot = £66). Hopefully we can arrange some sort of discount with them (have in the past) and finally get our shard up.

But a 100+% mark up on servers is ridiculous imo.

What's everyone's opinion on admins charging players a small fee to gain access to their shards? As I've seen a couple of shards doing this (totally understand given the overheads) just gauging opinion for the time being.

 

Renting 4 servers currently, I have asked Vilayer for a discount already and it was no go due to the cost they're incurring from BI. And no, you cannot directly charge people a fee to play on your server, although donations can obviously be accepted.

[vendaar 18]

Hello

I read about Private Shard Servers 

Is it possible now to get Serverfiles to create a server on own dedicated machines or do we have to rent one of these overpriced "Gameservers" for now?

 

Regards

[boneboys 7988]

No, official GSP's only.

[lrp1984 199]

Hi, I've not seen any admins charging a fee, however a clan will often have it's members all chip in towards a server which makes it quite cost effective.

I did notice that Vilayer are offering a "Vilayer Hive" for just 5 cents more per slot than Public. Everyone that chooses this Vilayer Hive will be able to lock/password the server, kick/ban and everything that comes with a private hive however all the Vilayer servers that opt into this will be on the same hive and therefore connected. If a lot of people opted into this I can quickly see it becoming the main bandit area. Gear up on your locked server, move to someone elses unlocked vilayer server to kill (I assume Vilayer will run a couple unlocked ones themselves if no players do)

[gg_wolf 56]

Renting 4 servers currently, I have asked Vilayer for a discount already and it was no go due to the cost they're incurring from BI. And no, you cannot directly charge people a fee to play on your server, although donations can obviously be accepted.

Idk about the discount, only that we've received one in the past so our site owner as suggested going the same route (can't hurt to as, right?). I've just check again and you are indeed correct regarding the donations " Donate now to gain access to our private shard servers" so I guess that's the route we'll be taking if we have to go down that route at all.

I kind of feel bad asking players outside of our community to "donate" just trying to gauge a viable way of getting a sustainable shard up and running given the dwindling playerbase at present. Hopefully enough of our lads/lasses will chip in and make it a viable thing before we have to even consider that route.

[boneboys 7988]

Nothing wrong with asking for donations for server running costs, just keep it to your own Forums/Sites.

 

Asking for an Entry Fee is a different subject, I will have to inform myself before making any statement, so for now just keep it to running cost donations, then everybody is happy & safe.

[lrp1984 199]

Nothing wrong with asking for donations for server running costs, just keep it to your own Forums/Sites.

 

Asking for an Entry Fee is a different subject, I will have to inform myself before making any statement, so for now just keep it to running cost donations, then everybody is happy & safe.

 

I can't see how asking for an entry fee would ever work. Firstly I can't imagine anyone sensible agreeing to pay it, since there are free options. However should there be hundreds of private shards with names like "Private Shard, High loot, no hackers, no bandits, $3 a month, see www.paytodayz.com to pay" then this could create a negative perception of the game and put people off it.

 

Not to mention the various legal issues that could arise, as charging an actual fee rather than a donation would imply a contract to provide a service for the x number of days outlined. If you take a $50 annual fee from someone and only keep the server up for a month then you would be in breach of that contract.

[ryanh 36]

That's what server owners want, not me.

well i think your wrong

[Jex 1104]

Over 100 a month!? No - I don't think so.

 

 

You still need the extra space for the extra characters. If they are saved in a separate database you need to pay for it - and if they are saved on the official database it needs it grow bigger with each private shard - and you need to pay for it. Either way private hives demand much more memory space as potentially every player could have a character on every shard as well as the public servers.

 

Persistence should be the same regardless of server type. Same with other parameters (thats why "shard").

 

So I'll pay £50 for a terrabyte HDD - I think that will hold the game and the SQL database it uses and half of my porn collection too ;). Add a 160/12mb connection and a dedicated PC and why are they charging over £1200 a year for one game again?

Edited October 27, 2014 by Jexter