About the next coming camera angle

[hleVqq 139]

It's more immersive - meaning its more intense - I agree. I play 1pp for intensity.

But more "realistic" ?

Yes it is by leaps and bounds more realistic than 3PP, even if peripheral vision is lost in 1PP.

[cash81 506]

fear not frauleins and pearly eyed men:

Ze Germans are coming. (Berlin wall of text to follow):

Why does a first person perspective make it more visceral, gritty and gruelling than in third party? I can understand how 1pp is all those thing but please explain to me (preferably without ad-hominem and strawman arguments) why it is actually better. Then you can explain to me why fish is bettter than beef and metal music is better than classical. Just try to do it please, I'd like to see you objectively describe a soft definition based on subjective opinion such as those you made and those others you admonish.

Your straw-man/generally-directed ad-hominem argument is pretty soft too, seeing as how the subject is on camera angle: it would be pretty obvious that people are going to discuss said topic (albeit with a large amount of screaming, hand-waving and tears). There is no reason why a 3pp experience satisfies those values less than a 1pp experience, perhaps it even does better, this being a game and all. FIFA/NHL aren't first person are they? I can spend hours on them (before you shoot me down for team sports:); music is included OR omitted from games because the developers feel that it would make the game more immersive; colour palett is changed to vibrant/sepia/greyscale because it highlights/dulls certain features, making the game more visceral and gritty.

These last posits are reflective of what both the producers want personally (Collectively) as a work of art/creativity, and also the angle of attack they have chosen so as to market and produce a commercially successful product. But while the numerous (or) overly-vocal members of the 1pp camp have been given the option to engage in the 1pp only servers, they continue to complain about the fact that those servers are empty or near on, suggesting that the majority of players are preferincing 3/1, or just plain want to see 3pp removed for some other unknown reason (generally siting wall-peeking which would be a non-issue on 1pp servers).

What does that say about the gameplay?

what does that say about the community?

what does that say about individual (possibly misguided or misplaced) opinion about what this game should be, having purchased it in pre-alpha, when the original mod supported the exact same gameplay feature we discuss right now?

The only 'advantage' that the 1pp camp holds despite the consistantly flawed logic and diversionary arguments, is that BI already has everyone's money, and should they feel inclined to produce a game more representative of the majority (or) more vocal community, they can do so. They don't need market research at this point, so there is a slighlty favourable possibility that they would remove the gameplay feature which was part of the original mod, other BI titles and shown frequently in the proof of concept and other marketing videos and screen captures. But ultimately BI can do what they want, and have complete artistic freedom short of pulling an A:CM on us.

Aside: too many people invoke the ether saying 'this is what the devs want' or 'this is what they'll end up doing' as if they have some kind of insider information.

(and yes, i do enjoy 1pp servers, and lament the server population, but could give two french legs whether i play 1pp or 3pp).

le rant le end.

*Cough Spit Hack*

SEI SCHLUSS!

You are too open minded for many on here and your ideas conflict with theirs. But please know that others feel the way you do and your opinion is as valid as anyone elses. Have some beans :) Edited May 28, 2015 by cash81

[q.S Sachiel 470]

Thank you,

 

when I annexe the Crimea I will be sure to share with you a piece of the pie.

Many russians will be whipped, and there will be singing and dancing girls and everyone will have a really good time.

Edited May 28, 2015 by q.S Sachiel

[pilgrim* 3514]

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One of the more well known hardcore sim communities, Shacktac, does not play ARMA II or III in 3rd person. What does that tell you?

 

Dosn't tell me a thing Bro. Sorry ....  Don't mean a thang.

You want to take that up with Bohemia and Shacktac I guess. Hey - how many million players has ol' Shacktac got in ArmA ?

 

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some of us want

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YEP - you said it all right there.

 

xx

Edited May 28, 2015 by pilgrim

[☣BioHaze☣ 7337]

-snip-

CURRENTLY YOU ARE NOT PLAYING DAYZ.

 

YOU REALIZE THAT RIGHT?

 

THE GAME YOU PLAY NOW WILL BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COME 1.0.

 

THE WAY YOU PLAY RIGHT NOW WILL LIKELY NOT BE POSSIBLE.

 

-snip-

 

 

No comments on this?

 

Did you know that denial isn't just a river in Egypt?

 

:lol:

 

:murder:

 

Bye!

[Grimey Rick 3417]

*mindless cynical bullshit which didn't address Grimey Rick's extremely valid argument regarding 3PP being extremely imbalanced due to ledge and corner abuse*

Thanks for that insightful post. Did I not JUST explain how I'd prefer to play in 3PP but refuse to due to the blatant abuse of the camera angles?

As far as immersion, explain to me how running around staring at your character's ass is more 'immersive' than you yourself being the character? Why are games like Outlast and Alien: Isolation in 1PP, do you think? Not sure of the answer? Because it's MORE IMMERSIVE. It puts you IN the character. You only see what they see, you can't magically see around corners or over ledges. Sorry, but that's not immersion. Paint it however you'd like.

You can PREFER whichever mode you'd like. Just like I PREFER 3PP, but I have the brainpower to realize it's a game-breaking mechanic. Not only regarding PvP, but scouting towns for zombies, etc.

Also, why are you bringing up FIFA? Lol.

[q.S Sachiel 470]

No comments on this?

 

Did you know that denial isn't just a river in Egypt?

 

:lol:

 

:murder:

 

Bye!

 

not sure if troll or bad passs at oracle of delphi, either way you said a whole lot of nothing.  Sometimes lack of reply means more, but i think you missed the bus.

Edited May 28, 2015 by q.S Sachiel

[q.S Sachiel 470]

Also, why are you bringing up FIFA? Lol.

This bit right here tho, this is what i expected from you bae.  You make playing devils advocate all worth it.

 

Everything other than this last line is pretty hard to follow what with the confusing contradictions and sarcastic hypocrasy.

 

(;

Edited May 28, 2015 by q.S Sachiel

[Grimey Rick 3417]

This bit right here tho, this is what i expected from you bae. You make playing devils advocate all worth it.

I'm still waiting for the rebuttal explaining to me how I'm wrong in my sentiments pertaining to the blatant imbalance of 3PP.

Thanks.

[cash81 506]

not sure if troll or bad passs at king delphus, either way you said a whole lot of nothing. Sometimes lack of reply means more, but i think you missed the bus.

Dont bother trying to talk to biohaze. If your opinion differs from his he will ignore you and then ask you not to quote him while making a point. It reminds me of that guy from north korea, actually. His opinion is all that matters.

[☣BioHaze☣ 7337]

not sure if troll or bad passs at oracle of delphi, either way you said a whole lot of nothing.  Sometimes lack of reply means more, but i think you missed the bus.

 

 

And sometimes lack of foresight bites you in the ass.

 

:lol:

 

Edit:

 

Tell me I'm wrong about the changes coming to 3PP and the game in general.

 

Come on, do it, smart guy.

 

I'm still waiting....

Edited May 28, 2015 by BioHaze

[q.S Sachiel 470]

I'm still waiting for the rebuttal explaining to me how I'm wrong in my sentiments pertaining to the blatant imbalance of 3PP.

Thanks.

You'll need to put forward a logical point that isn't based on opinion or self-contradictory in nature, first, otherwise it's really an effort in futility.

I said i'd take the crimea, not go to stalingrad (not much fun in stalingrad, no).

 

You're welcome.

 

Also, at the risk of treading on narcissitic sensitivities, I'm not replying to you as much as trying to act as a balance to the hoard of unwashed masses with their gaping moaning mouths who are attempting to bring about a change in the game which I know and love.

 

But it has been fun :)

This is probably the last drop for the next few months on this topic (as i'm sure it will continue through the eons) unless I see something particularly tasty to reply to.

Edited May 28, 2015 by q.S Sachiel

[Grimey Rick 3417]

You'll need to put forward a logical point that isn't based on opinion or self-contradictory in nature, first, otherwise it's really an effort in futility.

I said i'd take the crimea, not go to stalingrad (not much fun in stalingrad, no).

You're welcome.

Also, at the risk of treading on narcissitic sensitivities, I'm not replying to you as much as trying to act as a balance to the hoard of unwashed masses with their gaping moaning mouths who are attempting to bring about a change in the game which I know and love.

But it has been fun :)

This is probably the last drop for the next few months on this topic (as i'm sure it will continue through the eons) unless I see something particularly tasty to reply to.

You're not a good troll bro. Not at all eloquent. Also, nothing I like more than a good old fashioned cop out.

When you can explain to me how being able to peek around corners and over ledges at zero risk to your avatar is balanced/good game design for a survival game in which it can literally take you days to gear up in, we'll continue this conversation. In the meantime, your terrible quips will be sorely missed.

[pilgrim* 3514]

 Two Million Nine Hundred Thousand players have joined and logged on to play 3pp DayZ

 Maybe 3000 want to play 1pp DayZ

 

That tiny minority got their own servers, to play how they like - if they want to change how those 'hardcore' 1pp servers function, then they can surely lobby for it (and feel superior, and insult each other, etc), no problem... I like to play 1pp but I can't tolerate this 'holier than thou' elitist crap.

 

In the meantime, people who ACTUALLY PLAY on 3PP SERVERS, and enjoy it, can discuss how to make it a better experience ... OK ?

 

Am I missing something here ?

 

xx

 

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or are the "God Hates 3pp" evangelists truly such intolerant fa**ist d***heads ?

[freethink 984]

 Two Million Nine Hundred Thousand players have joined and logged on to play 3pp DayZ

 Maybe 3000 want to play 1pp DayZ

 

That tiny minority got their own servers, to play how they like - if they want to change how those 'hardcore' 1pp servers function, then they can surely lobby for it (and feel superior, and insult each other, etc), no problem... I like to play 1pp but I can't tolerate this 'holier than thou' elitist crap.

 

In the meantime, people who ACTUALLY PLAY on 3PP SERVERS, and enjoy it, can discuss how to make it a better experience ... OK ?

 

Am I missing something here ?

 

xx

 

____________________________________________________

 

or are the "God Hates 3pp" evangelists truly such intolerant fa**ist d***heads ?

 

Basically 1st person players want to be able to play on 1st/3rd person servers and not be at a huge disadvantage.

 

Imagine instead of 1st person and 1st person/3rd person servers there were just servers that we could all play on together fairly?

 

Unfortunately instead of making this point they start insulting everybody and get angry.

 

I've mainly played 3rd person but around christmas I starting playing on a first person private shard and it's just a much more intense game. Take Vybor Military Base for instance. In 3rd you can just stand at the wall and just about see everything happening inside. In first you don't know what to expect. It's a rush.

 

I'd urge anyone with any kind of decent rig to give first a couple of hours. It takes a couple to get used to but once you play for a while and have some encounters you'll need to play 3rd just to wind down.

 

p.s.

Coincidence that berezino has a lot less walls in exp and the new cam is on it's way?

 

p.p.s. I still play 3rd

Edited May 28, 2015 by freethink

[St. Jimmy 1631]

Only way to improve 3rd person up to the point where it isn't advantage/exploitable is to make it so bad that nobody actually uses it. So it's either remove it, tweak it to look cool or let it be and not care about it. Improving 1st person would be a much better task in the end, though I don't know how to improve that other than fixing some minor bugs (actually pretty major bug really) like this: http://feedback.dayzgame.com/view.php?id=21339 It's actually dam annoying bug because I jog and use freelook most of the time...

Edited May 28, 2015 by St. Jimmy

[pale1776 375]

I usually play DayZ as I would in a real survival scenario- hunting and foraging and gardening. So there's no need for peeking. However I use it on long runs because its something to look at, we've all been in the brain dead state after a couple hours hunting.

But I change to first person as soon as I hit a town, it levels the field and ~GASP~ actually provides a better advantage than third person does in small streets and buildings.

But I don't agree with the removal of 3rd person nor do I agree with the current OP abilities. The new camera position let's me see something when I'm hunting, and keeps the wallpeeking to a minimum.

Plus I always love seeing people cry about first person being elite, or 3rd person being immersive.

[8bit_Survivor 93]

A brutal and unforgiving survival simulator. The current 3PP camera gives situational awareness that is extremely unrealistic and changes the way the game is played, the way you react to situations and the overall immersion of the game. These are not my opinions, these are facts. A disembodied view of your survivor is not more immersive, you just prefer that view. If you want to see your character, open yiur invwntory. I am a 3PP player myself but you have to stop kidding yourself when it comes to WHY you play 3PP. You...WE play it because it give you additional situational awareness and lowers the stress experienced with 1PP. The 1PP camera is clunky? Don't be absurd, navigating confined spaces is so much easier in 1PP.

I can't believe a previous poster put GTA V and DayZ in the same grouping earlier in this thread...it has made me rethink being a 3PP player. Then again if 1PP servers had more population I would most likely switch anyway. I think it would give the true survival horror feel and atmosphere they intend to deliver with DayZ. I just love player interaction too much to join low pop servers.

I don't want 3PP to be removed but it needs to be changed.

Edited May 28, 2015 by 8bit_Survivor

[emuthreat 2837]

Only way to improve 3rd person up to the point where it isn't advantage/exploitable is to make it so bad that nobody actually uses it. So it's either remove it, tweak it to look cool or let it be and not care about it. 

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/225409-how-would-you-feel-if-1st-person-perspective-was-mandatory/page-3#entry2268794

 

I made a silly suggestion to this effect on a competing hostile argument thread. I think doing what I described would show just how absurd the current 3pp is.

[vfxtodd 125]

Make 3pp-only servers and 1pp-only servers. Simple. Goodbye.

[Platin. 6]

there is even a single logical reason why people who at any time can play on a first person server, absolutely every wish here funnel, follow suit the same !? goes to the server what you want, and play there, but told other people not what they emulate.

if somebody third person or first person preferred you not to decide. all the talk about it here, simply shows how sick are some people who want to impose their other example, is just so on her preferred servers busier. everyone plays as he wants it, so live with it.

[SniperV (DayZ) 43]

You're not a good troll bro. Not at all eloquent. Also, nothing I like more than a good old fashioned cop out.

When you can explain to me how being able to peek around corners and over ledges at zero risk to your avatar is balanced/good game design for a survival game in which it can literally take you days to gear up in, we'll continue this conversation. In the meantime, your terrible quips will be sorely missed.

 

People might start treating you seriously, when you stop claiming that your personal opinions are facts.

[boneboys 7988]

People might start treating you seriously, when you stop claiming that your personal opinions are facts.

Didn't I ban you already ?

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No one has seen (camera angle) what will be proposed yet.

 

Closed.