DayZ - Scam, no refunding, just money waste, thx!

[MephosZERO 2]

This is actually no rant, or just flaming about early access title. I´m just sad. Serious, I have a lot of early access games and since I make games myself I like to support developer. Actually I like the concept of early access. But for DayZ I was VERY disapointed.

 

See.. what I expect from a early access game is:

 

DayZ Early Access is your chance to experience DayZ as it evolves throughout its development process. Be aware that our Early Access offer is a representation of our core pillars, and the framework we have created around them. It is a work in progress and therefore contains a variety of bugs. We strongly advise you not to buy and play the game at this stage unless you clearly understand what Early Access means and are interested in participating in the ongoing development cycle.

 

So, that´s mainly all. Just the working basics. It´s not like I want fancy features, bug free games. I don´t complain about glitching zombies, how horrible melee fighting is etc. This is what I understand when I play "early access"

 

But for me (and I really have a good PC) even the very basics just don´t work. Like.. "turning your camera" .. I thought a game where you need to look around a lot would do that better but the camera feels like I would be stuck in mud and try to turn around, with a rubber band around my hip. THIS is the very basic for me. THIS is where I get sad when I play the game. The very basics that just don´t work out very well. I compare it to "Rust" which is also early access (don´t compare the content, just controlls). Its fluent, it does what I want, its fun. Its like an extension of my arm and I really like it.

 

So.. I feel scammed. Sorry to say that, but thats how I feel. I feel like they gave me a game where not even the very basics work.

For example the settings for mouse accerleration. Turn ON, turn OFF .. no difference.

 

I don´t want to start that the game only has about 20 FPS when I don´t turn down the graphics (with a PC that runs BF4 on ultra settings).

But even with 60 FPS (everything turned down) I have the feeling that the world is lagging (different servers, very good ping around 15). When I turn my camera it is slightly stuttering.

 

The movement gets even worse when I move into a house. I have the feeling that when you just tap "W" for a very short time, your character actually moves a whole step forward.

I tried to move on a edge of something and very often the character just moves over the edge because of strange movement behaviour. (don´t know if this is only for me, or intended to be realistic).

 

Like I said, I don´t want to rant about the game or just flame. I just want to tell my feelings, because:

 

I decided to write steam support a mail that I would like to have my money back because I don´t want to support this development. YES! I don´t want to support it. Don´t give my money

to the developers who have "tricked" me (for me it is a scam not having the bascis and selling a game for 20 bucks) into buying the game by making me beliefe it would work properly (like I said, I only talk about the very bascis, that´s all I wanted).

 

Steam said no. No refund for no game, see our policy.

 

So yeah, here you go. Spend 20$ on a game which has not even the basic functionallity. It´s like buying a car where everytime you turn your steering wheels it don´t moves 1 right, but 2.3.

 

I guess the developer have no support and would not give me my money back?

Why would they, they already have from me what they wanted.

 

Wow, that gaming industry.. this is scamming on a very high level in my eyes. Just produce a garbage product, create a hype which you don´t deserve and then sell it on steam.

 

so.. yeah, that´s it for me. thx for listening

 

 

[iBane 381]

Don't let the door hit you in the...I mean...BYE!

[tommy290 941]

Is this available for Kindle?

[KingOfTime 267]

We strongly advise you not to buy and play the game

[hoffa (DayZ) 71]

This wouldn't be pointless if the hype wasn't started by a way more broken mod which hundreds of thousands of players played for years.

[Elle 562]

I just love it when people join the forums just to make this kind of crap their first post...

[crazykilla420 11]

 

 

 (and I really have a good PC)

 Clearly you don't because i don't run into any of those problems at all you need a better graphics card there bud.

[Drunken Knife 17]

I play on a Laptop. I can run BF3 on low settings.

I don't have a problem playing DayZ. I think the problem isn't in the game, but more likely lies in your PC.

[DNY 41]

Dont Let the "DONT BUY THIS GAME SIGN" hit you in the face buddy.

[jukaga 271]

Game works fine for me. Decent FPS and the occasional lag or rubber banding but whatever, they're developing the game as we speak. Again, someone who clearly doesn't understand what they were getting into even though they had to see the warning on the buy page and click i understand again when the game loads up. Take your QQ and leave, at least Bohemia got your $$$ to help produce the game we're gonna be playing.

[wud 143]

 

I play on a Laptop. I can run BF3 on low settings.

I don't have a problem playing DayZ. I think the problem isn't in the game, but more likely lies in your PC.

This

Edited March 27, 2014 by dawud

[Drunken Knife 17]

This

My english-teacher would hit me for my first post here xD. Every sentence starting with I, gg Drunken Knife. Go home you are drunk. :P

[blunce 991]

ALPH...Oh whats the point anymore..

Edited March 27, 2014 by blunce

[ptk (DayZ) 178]

Let the buyer beware! Clearly, this applies to early access games. I can't say I'm real big supporter of this new method of making and selling games, but clearly this has become the new trend, and as with micro transactions, early access won't be going anywhere if we keep investing money in them.

On the flipside, it does help some gems get the funding they deserve, and it opens up to a much more robust gaming market. So what's the greater good here? A much smaller, big name, AAA title market, or a larger diverse market? As i have felt burned by both, in one way or another, i would choose the latter of the two.

And Dayz is one of those gems...

Edited March 27, 2014 by ptk

[Gobbokirk 546]

Thank you for your donation.

Please try again in a year or so when it's further developed.

I'd say, Can I have your stuff?, but you probably lost your pants in Elektro.

[GpB311 236]

Not sure if youre going to ever bother coming back to the forum now that youve ranted, but what are your specs?   I wouldnt call my pc top of the line, but I get way more than that with most settings on high.  To say you have a really good computer and then complain about 20fps doesnt make sense.

[Forrelist 236]

It's not like you were forced to buy it. Your own fault for doing little research to be honest:

 

there is a plethora of Youtube reviews,videos and livestreams that can give you an indication of how the game is. Oh well, nothing of value was lost.

[Thaurus 38]

What did you not understand from "don't buy and play the game at this stage"

[pillock 850]

I agree that the controls are clunky. But it's a bit of a leap from saying that to accusing the developers of lying and scamming you out of money.

 

To me, there's no minimum benchmark performance for an Early Access title - and this probably applies to the disclaimer as well. You were warned before purchase, and that's it. Tough tits.

 

I don't see why there isn't a reason to expect the controls to get better over the course of the development cycle, anyway.

[Trigger Hippy 176]

If you bought a car that wasn't finished (as in your analogy) and complained it didn't work properly do you think the dealer would refund you?

[crazykilla420 11]

Game works fine for me. Decent FPS and the occasional lag or rubber banding but whatever, they're developing the game as we speak. Again, someone who clearly doesn't understand what they were getting into even though they had to see the warning on the buy page and click i understand again when the game loads up. Take your QQ and leave, at least Bohemia got your $$$ to help produce the game we're gonna be playing.

The rubber band is not you its the servers and DayZ it self its a glitch everyone runs into it lol i hate it but oh well ALPHA

[blunce 991]

I agree that the controls are clunky. But it's a bit of a leap from saying that to accusing the developers of lying and scamming you out of money.

 

To me, there's no minimum benchmark performance for an Early Access title - and this probably applies to the disclaimer as well. You were warned before purchase, and that's it. Tough tits.

 

I don't see why there isn't a reason to expect the controls to get better over the course of the development cycle, anyway.

You have my beans for "Tough tits."

[hellcat420 212]

This is actually no rant, or just flaming about early access title. I´m just sad. Serious, I have a lot of early access games and since I make games myself I like to support developer. Actually I like the concept of early access. But for DayZ I was VERY disapointed.

 

See.. what I expect from a early access game is:

 

DayZ Early Access is your chance to experience DayZ as it evolves throughout its development process. Be aware that our Early Access offer is a representation of our core pillars, and the framework we have created around them. It is a work in progress and therefore contains a variety of bugs. We strongly advise you not to buy and play the game at this stage unless you clearly understand what Early Access means and are interested in participating in the ongoing development cycle.

 

So, that´s mainly all. Just the working basics. It´s not like I want fancy features, bug free games. I don´t complain about glitching zombies, how horrible melee fighting is etc. This is what I understand when I play "early access"

 

But for me (and I really have a good PC) even the very basics just don´t work. Like.. "turning your camera" .. I thought a game where you need to look around a lot would do that better but the camera feels like I would be stuck in mud and try to turn around, with a rubber band around my hip. THIS is the very basic for me. THIS is where I get sad when I play the game. The very basics that just don´t work out very well. I compare it to "Rust" which is also early access (don´t compare the content, just controlls). Its fluent, it does what I want, its fun. Its like an extension of my arm and I really like it.

 

So.. I feel scammed. Sorry to say that, but thats how I feel. I feel like they gave me a game where not even the very basics work.

For example the settings for mouse accerleration. Turn ON, turn OFF .. no difference.

 

I don´t want to start that the game only has about 20 FPS when I don´t turn down the graphics (with a PC that runs BF4 on ultra settings).

But even with 60 FPS (everything turned down) I have the feeling that the world is lagging (different servers, very good ping around 15). When I turn my camera it is slightly stuttering.

 

The movement gets even worse when I move into a house. I have the feeling that when you just tap "W" for a very short time, your character actually moves a whole step forward.

I tried to move on a edge of something and very often the character just moves over the edge because of strange movement behaviour. (don´t know if this is only for me, or intended to be realistic).

 

Like I said, I don´t want to rant about the game or just flame. I just want to tell my feelings, because:

 

I decided to write steam support a mail that I would like to have my money back because I don´t want to support this development. YES! I don´t want to support it. Don´t give my money

to the developers who have "tricked" me (for me it is a scam not having the bascis and selling a game for 20 bucks) into buying the game by making me beliefe it would work properly (like I said, I only talk about the very bascis, that´s all I wanted).

 

Steam said no. No refund for no game, see our policy.

 

So yeah, here you go. Spend 20$ on a game which has not even the basic functionallity. It´s like buying a car where everytime you turn your steering wheels it don´t moves 1 right, but 2.3.

 

I guess the developer have no support and would not give me my money back?

Why would they, they already have from me what they wanted.

 

Wow, that gaming industry.. this is scamming on a very high level in my eyes. Just produce a garbage product, create a hype which you don´t deserve and then sell it on steam.

 

so.. yeah, that´s it for me. thx for listening

LOL maybe you should read the warnings from the developers next time before you buy a game when multiple times the warning saying don't buy this game if you cant handle alpha quality gameplay pops up.

[kichilron 8550]

I guess the developer have no support and would not give me my money back?

Why would they, they already have from me what they wanted.

 

Wow, that gaming industry.. this is scamming on a very high level in my eyes. Just produce a garbage product, create a hype which you don´t deserve and then sell it on steam.

 

 

 

Before you purchase the game it says this on the Steam-Page:

 

 

 

WARNING: THIS GAME IS EARLY ACCESS ALPHA. PLEASE DO NOT PURCHASE IT UNLESS YOU WANT TO ACTIVELY SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT OF THE GAME AND ARE PREPARED TO HANDLE WITH SERIOUS ISSUES AND POSSIBLE INTERRUPTIONS OF GAME FUNCTIONING.

 

I rather lock this thread now, as it is taking a downwards-spiral already.

 

We're happy with constructive feedback, but you need to be aware of what you're getting yourself into.

 

Please note that the game is still in Development and everything you don't like might be changed soon.

Edited March 27, 2014 by kichilron