Arma3 Third person fix mod...thoughts?

[crazykilla420 11]

They aren't talking about ARMA 3.  They are talking about the mod from ARMA 3.  Wow, why is this hard to grasp?  There is no reason for this to be an argument.  I'm just pointing out that this thread is not about ARMA 3.

Is arma 3 in the name of the topic? Yes ok then yes it is about something that is affiliated with arma 3 and this forum is not about that i am sorry to say. <3

[Karmaterror 982]

A depth of field filter applied to everything not in sight while at the same time not rendering players could be a good fix to prevent players from poping in or out when people step out of cover.

 

That along with a fade system would fix everyones concerns.

 

See now that's "breaking" 3rd person....as it is 3rd functions exactly as a 3PP should ;)

 

The one thing I cant get past is that why does it bother any 1st person user what happens on a 3PP server....it will always come back to that for me lol

 

If its because this would make you play on a 3pp server then I gotta say tough. You obviously don't like 3PP, those who do shouldn't have it gimped and broken just so those who don't like it can use it :)

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

See now that's "breaking" 3rd person....as it is 3rd functions exactly as a 3PP should ;)

 

The one thing I cant get past is that why does it bother any 1st person user what happens on a 3PP server....it will always come back to that for me lol

 

If its because this would make you play on a 3pp server then I gotta say tough. You obviously don't like 3PP, those who do shouldn't have it gimped and broken just so those who don't like it can use it :)

I want to play on third person but I don't want to get cheap kills by camping corners that I shouldn't be able to look around or roof tops to get an eagle eyes view.  Also getting killed cheaply is not strategy nor skilled

[Karmaterror 982]

I want to play on third person but I don't want to get cheap kills by camping corners that I shouldn't be able to look around or roof tops to get an eagle eyes view.  Also getting killed cheaply is not strategy nor skilled

 

Sorry but no one in there right mind camps a corner in dayz.....size of the map...ud be there for years waiting for some prey lol, this aint CS :P

 

Its all a matter of realising your opponents capabilities and acting accordingly. You get to a building....don't just run round the corner and in....then cry "he knew I was coming....its all 3rd person views fault".....nope :P

 

You could have waited outside and listened for breathing, footsteps or reload noises.....you could have popped out then in again forcing the 1st shot and gaining the intel you needed....its not hard atall to counter 3pp tricks....even when your in 1st person view.

 

Finally theres nothing cheap about it.....its a different way to play. Don't like it.....why not play hardcore? Theres a place for everyone within dayz. But some people just aren't happy either way.

 

To the people that don't like 3rd the way it is I say......you just don't like 3rd person view, that's not a bad thing just your preference. That dosent mean we should break it to high heaven just to make it fit with your view of "fair". For you there is a place with a different view that dosent have these capabilities.

 

Also theres the classic....no one is making you corner peak....if your doing it....your doing it all by yourself and out of choice, its not the games fault ;)

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Also theres the classic....no one is making you corner peak....if your doing it....your doing it all by yourself and out of choice, its not the games fault ;)

Uh, kind of have to.  There is no choice about the matter  It's a cheap tactic and if you don't abuse it you cannot win gunfights, plain and simple.  So because of this cheap tactic I am forced to play on hardcore, which all in all, is fine by me but now I can't play with friends who play on regular.

[gibonez 3633]

See now that's "breaking" 3rd person....as it is 3rd functions exactly as a 3PP should ;)

 

The one thing I cant get past is that why does it bother any 1st person user what happens on a 3PP server....it will always come back to that for me lol

 

If its because this would make you play on a 3pp

server then I gotta say tough. You obviously don't like 3PP, those who do shouldn't have it gimped and broken just so those who don't like it can use it :)

 

It is not breaking 3rd person it is simply fixing the only complaint the community has against third person view.

 

Corner or wall peeking should not be a thing it simply shouldn't and like mouse acceleration it should be fixed sooner than latter.

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

Sorry but no one in there right mind camps a corner in dayz.....size of the map...ud be there for years waiting for some prey lol, this aint CS :P

 

Its all a matter of realising your opponents capabilities and acting accordingly. You get to a building....don't just run round the corner and in....then cry "he knew I was coming....its all 3rd person views fault".....nope :P

 

You could have waited outside and listened for breathing, footsteps or reload noises.....you could have popped out then in again forcing the 1st shot and gaining the intel you needed....its not hard atall to counter 3pp tricks....even when your in 1st person view.

 

Finally theres nothing cheap about it.....its a different way to play. Don't like it.....why not play hardcore? Theres a place for everyone within dayz. But some people just aren't happy either way.

 

To the people that don't like 3rd the way it is I say......you just don't like 3rd person view, that's not a bad thing just your preference. That dosent mean we should break it to high heaven just to make it fit with your view of "fair". For you there is a place with a different view that dosent have these capabilities.

 

Also theres the classic....no one is making you corner peak....if your doing it....your doing it all by yourself and out of choice, its not the games fault ;)

 

BS. Third person view has been implemented in lots of games without this exploitation possibility.

 

Also, what are you talking about "No one in their right mind camps a corner". Everybody and their grandmother seems to camp corners in airfield jailhouses or ATCs, or at Elektro firehouses or anywhere else where you expect a lot of players to pop up.

 

That the current 3PP implementation is buggy is no excuse for anyone to say "fine let's not fix it, anyone who doesn't like it can play hardcore".

 

As it is currently implemented it is clearly buggy and incomplete. It has very little to do with playstyle. It is like saying "LOL you don't like gamma exploitation, well play daytime then, because this playstyle is obviously not for you and why do you even bother complaining about it etc ad nauseum".

[gibonez 3633]

BS. Third person view has been implemented in lots of games without this exploitation possibility.

 

Also, what are you talking about "No one in their right mind camps a corner". Everybody and their grandmother seems to camp corners in airfield jailhouses or ATCs, or at Elektro firehouses or anywhere else where you expect a lot of players to pop up.

 

That the current 3PP implementation is buggy is no excuse for anyone to say "fine let's not fix it, anyone who doesn't like it can play hardcore".

 

As it is currently implemented it is clearly buggy and incomplete. It has very little to do with playstyle. It is like saying "LOL you don't like gamma exploitation, well play daytime then, because this playstyle is obviously not for you and why do you even bother complaining about it etc ad nauseum".

 

Pretty much watch any gameplay video on reddit and people camp or abuse tpv to see around or above objects.

[Karmaterror 982]

Uh, kind of have to.  There is no choice about the matter  It's a cheap tactic and if you don't abuse it you cannot win gunfights, plain and simple.  So because of this cheap tactic I am forced to play on hardcore, which all in all, is fine by me but now I can't play with friends who play on regular.

 

Ok so how is it "cheap" when the server is advertised ad 3pp enabled....3pp is 3pp, its not different game to game, its a constant. OK so the camera angle may be different but the world is never greyed out, or fogged. By clicking on that server you basically agree to take all the pros and cons of 3pp.

 

Now you can win gunfights in 1st vs 3rd users.....they always have to expose themselves to take the shot, and with the animations we have that's not a split second affair. You should be aware completely that rooftops could have snipers on them, your duty is to observe the common places often, looking for that shape to pop up against the skyline. You should be doing this every few seconds, and moving in a mannor that denies line of sight from the common spots.

 

This level of awareness is hard to maintain, and yes sometimes they get the drop on you, but people will get the drop on you sooner or later in dayz no matter what view your in. This is why I personally think pvp is so much harder on these servers....iv tailed people on HC servers in a way that I never would have been able to on 3rd. Its just all together much easier to do on HC.

 

The friends thing is a pain, but that's like that in any game. I got friends who will only play 2 ....yes 2! of the entire what10 or 12? L4D2 levels. Is a pain in the arse to have to play the same one for the 3rd time because the guy who just logged on only plays that map.....but isn't that friendship, we make consesions to be able to spend time with our buddys. I swap between HC and reg a lot for just this reason :)

[Karmaterror 982]

It is not breaking 3rd person it is simply fixing the only complaint the community has against third person view.

 

Corner or wall peeking should not be a thing it simply shouldn't and like mouse acceleration it should be fixed sooner than latter.

 

what EXACTLY is BROKEN about 3pp as it is? to me its exactly as it should be....

 

If you are referring to making walls disappear this has nothing to do with 3pp, its a camera cipping issue. And is also not a problem exclusive to 3pp, it happens often in 1pp when just running round house interiors :P

[Karmaterror 982]

BS. Third person view has been implemented in lots of games without this exploitation possibility.

 

Also, what are you talking about "No one in their right mind camps a corner". Everybody and their grandmother seems to camp corners in airfield jailhouses or ATCs, or at Elektro firehouses or anywhere else where you expect a lot of players to pop up.

 

That the current 3PP implementation is buggy is no excuse for anyone to say "fine let's not fix it, anyone who doesn't like it can play hardcore".

 

As it is currently implemented it is clearly buggy and incomplete. It has very little to do with playstyle. It is like saying "LOL you don't like gamma exploitation, well play daytime then, because this playstyle is obviously not for you and why do you even bother complaining about it etc ad nauseum".

 

I think you too are confusing what im saying....yes camera clipping is an issue.....3pp view is not...it works as it does in every other game its been used in. Changing it to grey out areas that are not in direct line of sight is by definition.....breaking it lol

 

What im saying is people that don't like the inherent ability to see more of the world that 3rd allows should simply play 1st.....seeing more of the world is what 3pp is intended for in every title its used in. Dayz is no exception, just because some feel its chep or cheating is not reason to mess it up.

 

Again....the server is advertised as £PP enabled....so why complain about things that go hand in hand with that view when you agtreed that's how your playsession was going to be played....seesh lol

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

I think you too are confusing what im saying....yes camera clipping is an issue.....3pp view is not...it works as it does in every other game its been used in. Changing it to grey out areas that are not in direct line of sight is by definition.....breaking it lol

 

What im saying is people that don't like the inherent ability to see more of the world that 3rd allows should simply play 1st.....seeing more of the world is what 3pp is intended for in every title its used in. Dayz is no exception, just because some feel its chep or cheating is not reason to mess it up.

 

Again....the server is advertised as £PP enabled....so why complain about things that go hand in hand with that view when you agtreed that's how your playsession was going to be played....seesh lol

No offense but the OP asked for thoughts on this mod and you've basically told be everyone to stfu and go play first person so you should give options on how to improve the mod instead of attacking posters.   We are here to give our opinions on the mod and input on what they could do to improve it to make third person another option of playing for others.

[DarkwaveDomina 1099]

I can't say I give a muffins what happens on 3PP servers, but I find it ironic that the biggest defender of corner peeking seems to be the guy posting on DayZ forums with a CSS logo in Major League Gaming colours.

[Karmaterror 982]

No offense but the OP asked for thoughts on this mod and you've basically told be everyone to stfu and go play first person so you should give options on how to improve the mod instead of attacking posters.   We are here to give our opinions on the mod and input on what they could do to improve it to make third person another option of playing for others.

 

 

Ugh facepalm....haven't attacked anyone. An im discussing how greying out areas (the very foundation of this mod) is breaking 3pp view. That completely on topic, if its not then mods I await your wrath :P

 

How exactly am I attacking people by having a different point of view?

 

 

I can't say I give a muffins what happens on 3PP servers, but I find it ironic that the biggest defender of corner peeking seems to be the guy posting on DayZ forums with a CSS logo in Major League Gaming colours.

 

 

Oh and im not defending corner peeking....im defending 3rd person view as a whole. My point still stands that when you choose to join a 3pp server you are choosing to play with every pro and con that go hand in hand with that view......do we need a disclaimer on these servers for some that explains 3pp and what can happen if you CHOOSE  to play on it. And the point that 3rd is intended to let you see more, greying out stuff is breaking it. Give me a game where they grey out areas in 3pp....give me a counter argument to either of my basic points....

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Ugh facepalm....haven't attacked anyone. An im discussing how greying out areas (the very foundation of this mod) is breaking 3pp view. That completely on topic, if its not then mods I await your wrath :P

 

How exactly am I attacking people by having a different point of view?

"Don't like it.....why not play hardcore?"  Basically saying, don't like it, too fucking bad.

 

If there wasn't an issue with third person why does this topic exist?  It's not because people don't like third person.  ;)

[DarkwaveDomina 1099]

do we need a disclaimer on these servers for some that explains 3pp and what can happen if you CHOOSE  to play on it. And the point that 3rd is intended to let you see more, greying out stuff is breaking it. Give me a game where they grey out areas in 3pp....

 

Like I said, I don't really give a muffins what happens on lamecore servers, but this game is supposed to be challenging and every time I watch a DayZ video it looks anything but when it's played in third-person. As for a game that greys out areas in 3PP, games like Frozen Synapse do it.

[gibonez 3633]

what EXACTLY is BROKEN about 3pp as it is? to me its exactly as it should be....

 

If you are referring to making walls disappear this has nothing to do with 3pp, its a camera cipping issue. And is also not a problem exclusive to 3pp, it happens often in 1pp when just running round house interiors :P

 

I was refering to being able to see things that would be physically impossible for your character to witness.

 

also the 4th wall mod would also fix the camera clipping issue.

[DarkwaveDomina 1099]

also the 4th wall mod would also fix the camera clipping issue

 

Maybe they should use it for hardcore servers too, then it's fair. ;)

Edited April 17, 2014 by DarkwaveDomina

[gibonez 3633]

Maybe they should use it for hardcore servers too, then it's fair. ;)

 

Absolutely, being able to see through buildings and walls is just game breaking.

[TheScruffyBandit 382]

Absolutely, being able to see through buildings and walls is just game breaking.

Absolutely and totally agree. 4th wall implementation on both hives please, devs.

[Karmaterror 982]

I was refering to being able to see things that would be physically impossible for your character to witness.

 

also the 4th wall mod would also fix the camera clipping issue.

 

There are more elegant ways to fix camera clipping...

 

As for the first point....that's what 3pp does, in (pretty much) every title its used in....its a given. Saying its broken because of that is like saying saussages are broken because they have pork in them....it dosent add up. And that's my point....apart from the camera clipping it works fine, once that's fixed its a fully functional "as it should be" 3pp view :)

 

"Don't like it.....why not play hardcore?"  Basically saying, don't like it, too fucking bad.

 

If there wasn't an issue with third person why does this topic exist?  It's not because people don't like third person.  ;)

 

Id call that a question....not an attack. I would like an answer....why not play HC if you don't like 3pp....not 3pp in arma...I mean 3pp in general. Because 3pp in arma is like most every other game that uses it. And that's why I say its not "broken", it works as it should....its just that some don't like the way it works period.

 

 

Like I said, I don't really give a muffins what happens on lamecore servers, but this game is supposed to be challenging and every time I watch a DayZ video it looks anything but when it's played in third-person. As for a game that greys out areas in 3PP, games like Frozen Synapse do it.

 

OK iv already started saying "most" games in light of that ;)

 

But should I make the list of games that use 3pp normally....could take a while ;)

[DarkwaveDomina 1099]

But should I make the list of games that use 3pp normally....could take a while ;)

Even if you did it would be totally irrelevant. What other games do is not the discussion and it's a fallacy of logic.

[Martmital 436]

It is not breaking 3rd person it is simply fixing the only complaint a small number of community has against third person view.

 

 

 

Fixed that for you...

[TheScruffyBandit 382]

Anyone else noticing that the 1pp comunity wants to solve problems and find solutions to unbalanced PvP and the 3pp community just throws a hissy fit at the thought of having their magical camping periscope taken away?  :rolleyes:

 

Edit: I say 1pp community, but what I really mean Is people who would play on either hive, if only 3pp wasn't an abuse ridden campfest.

Edited April 17, 2014 by TheScruffyBandit

[gibonez 3633]

There are more elegant ways to fix camera clipping...

 

 

Perhaps but this would fix the problem quickly.

 

Why mess around with other solutions when this one would work immediately.