Developers cater to people with no life outside of this game

[bent.toe 529]

On 5/8/2019 at 2:40 AM, Nayte said:

Exactly, that’s where my “unlike” point comes in. I could pop in 7DtD, L4D, SoD, Dying Light, ect., however this game is in a league of its own for that very reason.. No hand holding, incredibly immersive survival experience.

Indeed

Hard grinding? Are we still talking about DayZ here? There’s really nothing to grind for. We scavenge, sure, but not grind.

I don’t think there’s enough characters for me to fully explain the range of emotions and experiences DayZ conjures up..

Hiking through 10+ cities and 3+ military bases for 5 hours only to not find an AR, surpressor, tactical backpack or other "epic gear", then log off and do it all again the next day only to not find it again...... Too me, that's grinding. 

[awalsh47 200]

5 hours ago, bent.toe said:

Hiking through 10+ cities and 3+ military bases for 5 hours only to not find an AR, surpressor, tactical backpack or other "epic gear", then log off and do it all again the next day only to not find it again...... Too me, that's grinding. 

Your doing it wrong mate.

It's a survival game. Your supposed to survive not gear up in mil gear. 

Ever since wholesale duping came in I don't bother worrying about Assualt rifles. An sks is just fine for protection.

I much prefer building camps,  fixing cars and escorting fresh clan mates up the coast or just encountering friendly randams. If I kill a guy with an m4 or ak all good.

[bent.toe 529]

2 hours ago, awalsh47 said:

 

I much prefer building camps,  fixing cars and escorting fresh clan mates up the coast or just encountering friendly randams. If I kill a guy with an m4 or ak all good.

I would too... But you see, all three of my friends who used to play and appreciate this game, has left due to bugs, errors, duplicating, meatballs, broken car physics, extremely fragile surpressors and the boredom of jogging for hours only to find shit you could have found 5 cities earlier... 

 

[Stagman70 210]

On 5/11/2019 at 10:32 AM, bent.toe said:

Hmmmmm... Does cod or bf games have an open world with zombies? No timelimit? Day/night cycle? Go anywhere you want, do anything you like approach? Build bases? 

 

Hmmm... Nope, not to my knowledge. 

Strange that you recomend those two games since they have NOTHING in common with DayZ. 

Merely making a point that everyone wants easy access to military grade weapons in a game that is meant to be hard.  If you can't see that, that's your fault.

[bent.toe 529]

14 hours ago, Stagman70 said:

Merely making a point that everyone wants easy access to military grade weapons in a game that is meant to be hard.  If you can't see that, that's your fault.

Sure sure..... 

[Porcelain_Punisher 9]

On 4/29/2019 at 1:30 PM, HiroCheeseMuh1 said:

Ok I have tried my best to be civil, to be understanding of your frustration, to point out possible alternative perspectives and solutions to the things that trouble you and yet you insist on continuing the insults to people which I have to assume includes myself so maybe it’s time to be a little less civil and just call a spade a spade here. 

You claim that the people who spend what you consider to be an excessive amount of time playing that they have no life correct? Well what do you call it when someone who spends and excessive amount of time on a video game forum pissing and moaning and insulting people for things they are very much guilty of doing themselves? Would you say that person is a loser and “has no life?” 

On one thread you’re giving shit to a guy who’s upset that the game isn’t the way he wants it, then you turn around and do the exact same thing in this thread! 

Seems to me that the only person who “has no life” outside of this game but especially this forum is you chief! 

It’s obvious that the type of game you want to play isn’t DayZ because this game is ALL about the grind and strategy and acceptance that the only thing you will ever have control over is you and your style of play. Might I suggest a game that’s similar to DayZ but moves a little quicker, allows you to get and stay geared fairly quickly, can be played with a buddy and doesn’t require the sort of grind that DayZ is? Go play Scum. I think that game is more suited to your mindset and patience level. It has all the same sort of elements of DayZ except instead of zombies you’re dealing with killer robots. It’s set in an apocalyptic world, has military bases to get high tier weapons, PvP the whole kitten kaboodle. Perhaps check that out and see if that’s more to your liking but for the love of fucking Christ quit coming at people in this forum like you’re some sort of alpha dick head because no one is impressed by your presumed self importance there chief! 

And with that I am done contributing to this bullshit. Got a life to live you know 😝😂 ✌🏻 

"You claim that the people who spend what you consider to be an excessive amount of time playing that they have no life correct? Well what do you call it when someone who spends and excessive amount of time on a video game forum pissing and moaning and insulting people for things they are very much guilty of doing themselves?Would you say that person is a loser and “has no life?”

Lol. Taking 30 seconds to write a comment on a forum is hardly considered an "excessive amount of time". Nice try at trying to rationalize though and turn this around. Complaining on a forum for a few minutes here and there compared to having to spend weeks running around every camp on the map to find a single assault rifle only to never find one...theres a better rationalization for you. 

I along with probably a larger group of gamers enjoy this game or atleast an idea of this game but will agree that they have made weapons far to hard to find. It's a reasonable argument and no dupers are not the only problem. Dupers may cause issues with spawning new guns but they also lowered the spawn rare which doesnt help. It's by no means immersive to run around a map littered with military bases and only finding the occasional sk or ump. 

I also dont need you telling me about my patience level. I was a scout sniper for 10 years so if anyone is patient it's me. So for me to say that this game takes way to much time to find something, then it takes way to much time. 

Me and 2 buddies got into 6 firefights last night on the game. With sks umps and shotguns. Sorry that's not very enjoyable in a post apocalyptic world where you should be able to find as much supplies as you need.

[Nayte 503]

1 hour ago, Porcelain_Punisher said:

"You claim that the people who spend what you consider to be an excessive amount of time playing that they have no life correct? Well what do you call it when someone who spends and excessive amount of time on a video game forum pissing and moaning and insulting people for things they are very much guilty of doing themselves?Would you say that person is a loser and “has no life?”

Lol. Taking 30 seconds to write a comment on a forum is hardly considered an "excessive amount of time". Nice try at trying to rationalize though and turn this around. Complaining on a forum for a few minutes here and there compared to having to spend weeks running around every camp on the map to find a single assault rifle only to never find one...theres a better rationalization for you. 

I along with probably a larger group of gamers enjoy this game or atleast an idea of this game but will agree that they have made weapons far to hard to find. It's a reasonable argument and no dupers are not the only problem. Dupers may cause issues with spawning new guns but they also lowered the spawn rare which doesnt help. It's by no means immersive to run around a map littered with military bases and only finding the occasional sk or ump. 

I also dont need you telling me about my patience level. I was a scout sniper for 10 years so if anyone is patient it's me. So for me to say that this game takes way to much time to find something, then it takes way to much time. 

Me and 2 buddies got into 6 firefights last night on the game. With sks umps and shotguns. Sorry that's not very enjoyable in a post apocalyptic world where you should be able to find as much supplies as you need.

First, thank you for your service. I think the overarching issue is the duplicating. If and when, and I use those terms with heavily, they fix duping, you’ll notice a much..much better balance with finding mil grade weaponry.

Back on .63 you could get fully kitted in around an hour if you knew where to look. I want to believe that we’ll hopefully see a nice balance once this is fully ironed out.

Time will tell..

[Porcelain_Punisher 9]

4 hours ago, Nayte said:

First, thank you for your service. I think the overarching issue is the duplicating. If and when, and I use those terms with heavily, they fix duping, you’ll notice a much..much better balance with finding mil grade weaponry.

Back on .63 you could get fully kitted in around an hour if you knew where to look. I want to believe that we’ll hopefully see a nice balance once this is fully ironed out.

Time will tell..

I agree it will be much better if duping is fixed but it didnt help for the developers to lower the spawns on top of it. I mean do any of you seriously believe that this issue isn't causing more duping. None of my buddies ever wanted to dupe anything because that's not the point of the game. We enjoyed the risks of dying in a fight. However I can almost guarantee that if any of my friends finally find an m4 or ak, they are 100% probably going to give in and dupe it because its beyond absurd and unrealistic how hard it is to find one. And I wouldnt blame them for doing it now. I found one last night on a guy we killed but it was ruined. 

So on a serious note.... can anyone logically and correctly inform me why they cannot just add more? The lack of these weapons undoubtedly cause more duping in itself and lowering the spawn rate did more harm. If they cant permanently fix the duping issue right now, then why not just add more weapon spawns until they do find a way to fix it. This will logically give dupers less of a reason to dupe as well as keep honest players like me and my buddies from constantly being outgunned by dupers which happens quite often. Why should us honest players suffer and enjoy the game less and feel way less immersion. Literally just add more. Who cares if everyone has an m4 from a military base. You still need to run inland to a military camp to find one and the game is based in modern times. You're not gonna run around in a zombie apocalypse in real life with a 5 round SK or shitty ineffective mp5 if you are in an area with multiple military bases and dead soldiers, are you? Nope. I'm not asking for a best guess, I'm asking for a legit honest answer to this question. 

Also, adding more will give people less of a reason to server hop constantly just to find a gun on a different server which ALOT of people do now. I do not want to see servers locked for multiple reasons. It does suck that some cowards will need to server hop just to get into a player camp or to reposition themselves which we have had happen alot as well. But I see more harm than good with locking servers.

My suggestion to fix multiple issues is to just simply add more loot. Its not going to ruin the game for hardcore players that much and its notngoing to make this game any less extreme. If anything itll make the game more extreme because people are more lethal and firefights will be more intense.

Another serious question...I would kinda like to know how many of you people that are against the idea of more gun spawns actually possess 1 or more assault rifles at this time. It's a matter of haves and have nots. Naturally the haves want the have nots to stay inferior. I bet if you lost that loot you would see the logic 

[Porcelain_Punisher 9]

On 5/11/2019 at 7:49 PM, bent.toe said:

I would too... But you see, all three of my friends who used to play and appreciate this game, has left due to bugs, errors, duplicating, meatballs, broken car physics, extremely fragile surpressors and the boredom of jogging for hours only to find shit you could have found 5 cities earlier... 

 

That's what you like to do and that's cool by me. It's a sandbox game and you should play how you want. That's what I like about this game.

Me and my buddies personally take a more hostile route. We like to build camps and survive off the land. We also like to set ambushes and look for other camps to plan assaults on and wipe them out. I guess you can call us "bandits" but we don't typically care to loot people. We also don't touch coastline fresh spawns out of respect. We aim for other geared up groups. We like the rush and risk of fights. Plus a firefight in dayz feels more intense than some shitty call of duty

[Porcelain_Punisher 9]

On 5/12/2019 at 2:07 PM, Stagman70 said:

Merely making a point that everyone wants easy access to military grade weapons in a game that is meant to be hard.  If you can't see that, that's your fault.

If you cant see that more assault rifles for more people would make the game more intense, harder, and riskier then that's your fault. 

Yea, people want a game that's based in modern times to have a reasonable amount of more modern weaponry to use. The game is meant to be hard, yes. It should also be  meant to be played how anyone wants not just how you want. If you want to go off in the woods alone and build a base and plant pumpkins and wave at other players passing by, you should be able to do that. If you want to gear up in tactical gear and grab an m4 and go be a savage bandit and hunt other players, you should be able to do that. Unfortunately  the second is not really an option right now which is a little stupid.

If you don't want to risk being  gunned down by a tacted out military group then dont play the game dude. It's a zombie apocalypse. That would realistically be a risk. You just complained on another forum post of people killing you on sight. I'm sorry you demand people be nice to you in a savage survival game. I think minecraft would be a better option for you

[Jonas Levin 265]

13 minutes ago, Porcelain_Punisher said:

If you cant see that more assault rifles for more people would make the game more intense, harder, and riskier then that's your fault. 

I can recommend PUBG to you, there is lots of ARs and its a great game.

Personally I don't think ARs should be that easy to come by - sure, fix the duping, but let the real good weapons be something that is really rare to come by and something you really cherish when you get (and cry about when you lose) instead of something you can easily go grab at lots of destinations you can jog to fast like it sounds like you want it to be.

PS - there are plenty of real good weapons to use in the game, even the skorpion is a beast if used right (so low recoil compared to the other full-auto's, its a laser) and the shotgun which can be found in most coastal towns along which plenty of ammo is a straight-up beast.

Anyway; Usually the fights are not determined by what gun is used but by which hands holds them and how well they are used. 🙂

Edited May 17, 2019 by Jonas Levin

[Jonas Levin 265]

18 minutes ago, Porcelain_Punisher said:

If you want to gear up in tactical gear and grab an m4 and go be a savage bandit and hunt other players, you should be able to do that. Unfortunately  the second is not really an option right now which is a little stupid.

Its easier then it ever was and a lot easier and faster then running from the coast to NWAF or Tisy where they are usually found.

Go on a high-pop server and run towards the shots, usually there is lots of gear to be found (because of the duping) either on the ground if you keep you eyes open or on other people that you can knock down with your can of soda or whatever.

If it does not work the first time, you do it again - you are a Bambi so you got nothing to lose.

That or go raid any of the bases (usually full of duped shit) that are all over the map if you again keep your eyes open.

Way too easy.

Edited May 17, 2019 by Jonas Levin

[Nayte 503]

1 hour ago, Porcelain_Punisher said:

I agree it will be much better if duping is fixed but it didnt help for the developers to lower the spawns on top of it. I mean do any of you seriously believe that this issue isn't causing more duping. None of my buddies ever wanted to dupe anything because that's not the point of the game. We enjoyed the risks of dying in a fight. However I can almost guarantee that if any of my friends finally find an m4 or ak, they are 100% probably going to give in and dupe it because its beyond absurd and unrealistic how hard it is to find one. And I wouldnt blame them for doing it now. I found one last night on a guy we killed but it was ruined. 

So on a serious note.... can anyone logically and correctly inform me why they cannot just add more? The lack of these weapons undoubtedly cause more duping in itself and lowering the spawn rate did more harm. If they cant permanently fix the duping issue right now, then why not just add more weapon spawns until they do find a way to fix it. This will logically give dupers less of a reason to dupe as well as keep honest players like me and my buddies from constantly being outgunned by dupers which happens quite often. Why should us honest players suffer and enjoy the game less and feel way less immersion. Literally just add more. Who cares if everyone has an m4 from a military base. You still need to run inland to a military camp to find one and the game is based in modern times. You're not gonna run around in a zombie apocalypse in real life with a 5 round SK or shitty ineffective mp5 if you are in an area with multiple military bases and dead soldiers, are you? Nope. I'm not asking for a best guess, I'm asking for a legit honest answer to this question. 

Also, adding more will give people less of a reason to server hop constantly just to find a gun on a different server which ALOT of people do now. I do not want to see servers locked for multiple reasons. It does suck that some cowards will need to server hop just to get into a player camp or to reposition themselves which we have had happen alot as well. But I see more harm than good with locking servers.

My suggestion to fix multiple issues is to just simply add more loot. Its not going to ruin the game for hardcore players that much and its notngoing to make this game any less extreme. If anything itll make the game more extreme because people are more lethal and firefights will be more intense.

Another serious question...I would kinda like to know how many of you people that are against the idea of more gun spawns actually possess 1 or more assault rifles at this time. It's a matter of haves and have nots. Naturally the haves want the have nots to stay inferior. I bet if you lost that loot you would see the logic 

Honestly, there could be 10 M4s to every IJ7 and people would still dupe if they were able to. Why? Because most modern gamers are simply impatient and do not want to spend time looting up as it was intended. Do you have any official word the devs “lowered the spawn rate”?

Nobody on this forum, aside from a dev, would be able to give an exact number on the CLE algorithm.

You have the wrong idea when it comes to weaponry. The devs absolutely should NOT up the spawn rate in the hopes of counteracting the duper’s. That’s essentially giving in to the issue. No, they need to fix the issue first, then focus on spawn rate balances if issues still persist.

What would actually help curb duping, is if the Xbox devs were active in the servers issuing steep punishments for duplicating.

As I stated, there were no issues back on .63, not sure if you played then. If you did, you wouldn’t be asking for increased spawn rates, even as a band aid.

I’ve been looking for an AK or M4 for at least 60 actual hours, and I still would prefer the rates to stay where they were. 

If you came to DayZ after .63, you don’t have a solid bases for loot spawns, as the duping has skewed how the CLE may appear to a more recent player ever since a few updates before 1.0.

[Nitroglycerine 26]

On 4/29/2019 at 4:14 AM, Porcelain_Punisher said:

So I spend weeks buffing a character and building a base, then I have to start as a fresh spawn if I try to meet a friend of mine on a different server.  Locking servers would be absolutely horrible idea. The only pro to locking servers would be to keep people from server hopping into your base or server hopping into a better position to kill you. That's it.

well, and it would fix 99% of duping methods instantly, therefore fixing the loot economy instantly, which would most likely lead OP to have a much better looting experience 

[Porcelain_Punisher 9]

12 hours ago, Jonas Levin said:

I can recommend PUBG to you, there is lots of ARs and its a great game.

Personally I don't think ARs should be that easy to come by - sure, fix the duping, but let the real good weapons be something that is really rare to come by and something you really cherish when you get (and cry about when you lose) instead of something you can easily go grab at lots of destinations you can jog to fast like it sounds like you want it to be.

PS - there are plenty of real good weapons to use in the game, even the skorpion is a beast if used right (so low recoil compared to the other full-auto's, its a laser) and the shotgun which can be found in most coastal towns along which plenty of ammo is a straight-up beast.

Anyway; Usually the fights are not determined by what gun is used but by which hands holds them and how well they are used. 🙂

I already play pub and you're right it is a good game. You're wrong though, Fights are greatly determined by the type of weapons. Tactics and "skill" ofcourse play a massive role but when you are stuck in a gunfight with a sk or shotgun and trying to avoid the hail of rounds coming from m4s or aks, it's a bit tougher. Again, the game is based in modern days and this map has multiple military bases on it. It makes absolutely no sense to not gave assault rifles and there is no logical argument against that. If a zombie apocalypse happened today, is everyone going to have a bolt action or shotgun? No, likely everyone will have assault style weapons. Again, not very immersive given the setting. Also, more people having access to assault rifles would inevitably make the game harder and more intense. Fights would be more violent and risky. Dying would be greater possibility. No excuse here

[Porcelain_Punisher 9]

12 hours ago, Nayte said:

Honestly, there could be 10 M4s to every IJ7 and people would still dupe if they were able to. Why? Because most modern gamers are simply impatient and do not want to spend time looting up as it was intended. Do you have any official word the devs “lowered the spawn rate”?

Nobody on this forum, aside from a dev, would be able to give an exact number on the CLE algorithm.

You have the wrong idea when it comes to weaponry. The devs absolutely should NOT up the spawn rate in the hopes of counteracting the duper’s. That’s essentially giving in to the issue. No, they need to fix the issue first, then focus on spawn rate balances if issues still persist.

What would actually help curb duping, is if the Xbox devs were active in the servers issuing steep punishments for duplicating.

As I stated, there were no issues back on .63, not sure if you played then. If you did, you wouldn’t be asking for increased spawn rates, even as a band aid.

I’ve been looking for an AK or M4 for at least 60 actual hours, and I still would prefer the rates to stay where they were. 

If you came to DayZ after .63, you don’t have a solid bases for loot spawns, as the duping has skewed how the CLE may appear to a more recent player ever since a few updates before 1.0.

I've been playing since it first touched console and even played on PC before it came to console. I no longer play PC games anymore. 

I agree that they were perfectly acceptable level of spawns prior to duping getting worse. That's how it should be now and should be in the future.

I just disagree at the route they are taking right now. They are clearly having an extremely hard time with fixing th duping, so I merely suggest that they up the numbers so that it is fair all around for people to obtain these weapons (until they permanently fix duping). They are eventually going to wipe everything again anyway, so it's not going to he permanent that everyone has one. I've been searching for longer than 60 hrs at this point. Found one m4 and it was ruined from killing the guy that had it. 

Locking the servers is suggested to he a fix to duping but quite frankly you are going to also screw alot of people over by doing that. Especially more casual players with less time to devote to the game. People fail to realize that although this isn't particularly seen as a "casual" game, it can still be played by people with tighter schedules. I work a lot at often doubles and triples. I still really like to play games when I have the time and I've always preferred more serious milsim type games. So when people try to recommend games like pub or cod to me it really irritates me. That basically those people saying that  this game is for them and them alone and people with less time to devote to the game aren't allowed to enjoy it either. As my original post said, this game is catered to people that have nothing but time to devote. This is exactly the type of game I enjoy, I'm simply looking for more immersion and challange. I do NOTconsider multiple weeks of playing and searching nonstop for a single functional m4 and failing to find one as a challenge. I consider that absolutely absurd and lack of realism.

 

[Nayte 503]

5 hours ago, Porcelain_Punisher said:

I've been playing since it first touched console and even played on PC before it came to console. I no longer play PC games anymore. 

I agree that they were perfectly acceptable level of spawns prior to duping getting worse. That's how it should be now and should be in the future.

I just disagree at the route they are taking right now. They are clearly having an extremely hard time with fixing th duping, so I merely suggest that they up the numbers so that it is fair all around for people to obtain these weapons (until they permanently fix duping). They are eventually going to wipe everything again anyway, so it's not going to he permanent that everyone has one. I've been searching for longer than 60 hrs at this point. Found one m4 and it was ruined from killing the guy that had it. 

Locking the servers is suggested to he a fix to duping but quite frankly you are going to also screw alot of people over by doing that. Especially more casual players with less time to devote to the game. People fail to realize that although this isn't particularly seen as a "casual" game, it can still be played by people with tighter schedules. I work a lot at often doubles and triples. I still really like to play games when I have the time and I've always preferred more serious milsim type games. So when people try to recommend games like pub or cod to me it really irritates me. That basically those people saying that  this game is for them and them alone and people with less time to devote to the game aren't allowed to enjoy it either. As my original post said, this game is catered to people that have nothing but time to devote. This is exactly the type of game I enjoy, I'm simply looking for more immersion and challange. I do NOTconsider multiple weeks of playing and searching nonstop for a single functional m4 and failing to find one as a challenge. I consider that absolutely absurd and lack of realism.

 

I would be completely content with those rates in the early access DayZ. 

The rub is and has been the duping. @pilgrim* mentioned a great idea that would completely curb that issue. His suggestion was to implement a serial number for every mil weapon (or items in general, though we’ll say mil rifles for this discussion), that way if one is duped, the program would essentially remove any secondary identical serial numbers. A community manager commented saying they would forward the idea to the devs.

As for those who play that don’t have much time, as most of us have full time jobs and other commitments, we just have to understand that we won’t progress nearly as far in a session as those who have 8 hours a day to play. There’s nothing wrong with that. The more casual players who pop on for 30 to an hour just have to realize they’ll need a few more sessions to catch up, or meet a goal of theirs. The issue lies with those who want the game to cater to their constraints, as I mentioned before.

[pilgrim* 3514]

On 5/11/2019 at 5:36 PM, bent.toe said:

Hiking through 10+ cities and 3+ military bases for 5 hours only to not find an AR, surpressor, tactical backpack or other "epic gear", then log off and do it all again the next day only to not find it again...... Too me, that's grinding. 

You mean once you FIND all this stuff then you can ...like... START playing the game ?
So when you're all geared up with the stuff you want and you reach that moment when you can START playing ... hey, dude ..   what do you do ? 
- just asking
when you've got all the stuff you want, how do you play DayZ ?  
Is DayZ maybe a Collect Gear game?..   but it can't be that because it takes too LONG .. right? .. so what kind of game is it? ...  your view..? What is DayZ for ?
thanx

[bent.toe 529]

3 hours ago, pilgrim* said:

You mean once you FIND all this stuff then you can ...like... START playing the game ?
So when you're all geared up with the stuff you want and you reach that moment when you can START playing ... hey, dude ..   what do you do ? 
- just asking
when you've got all the stuff you want, how do you play DayZ ?  
Is DayZ maybe a Collect Gear game?..   but it can't be that because it takes too LONG .. right? .. so what kind of game is it? ...  your view..? What is DayZ for ?
thanx

Who are you?..... Really. 

Edited May 17, 2019 by bent.toe

[pilgrim* 3514]

8 hours ago, bent.toe said:

Who are you?..... Really. 

I'm a player who's played DayZ since it started. After a year or so of playing DayZ I joined this forum. I've seen the forum change and seen DayZ change. Ive played DayZ all night - come home in my work clothes, played the game till sunrise, had breakfast, gone back to work.. Ive gone weeks without logging in.. Got a Xbox to check it out, because  my work involoves that kind of stuff. Played DayZ on Xbox, played DayZ on PC. Played the Mod.. in fact bought ArmA so I could play the Mod. Have both versions of SA. So I've seen the changes from pup tents and broken legs through bicycles and quads to forts and server crashes and threads like this. Met some interesting folk on these forums.
But you know all this stuff because you've read back in the  forum and seen who I am - I've read your comments , of course - you don't have to ask me who I am, you know I'm a guy passing by in the street. . .
Easier to make a meaningless comment than to answer a question - right?

See - if there are no levels in a game you cant grind to get to any level .. if you decide in your head you HAVE to do certain stuff to play DayZ then you have invented a way of grinding in your head.
IMO
Fine, if that's how you want to play.
So I wondered what YOU think is the point of playing DayZ?
Seems it ain't to collect stuff, because you say that's too slow and boring. You want to have the gear YOU want  FAST.
So when you have the gear you want - then WHAT do you do? If you got all that gear in a short short little time at the start of the game - THEN what would you play in DayZ ?

You start by playing the game you want to play.
So I wondered what kind of game that is?

I ain't carried an AK in DayZ for.. dunno.. since last year sometime. Mil weapons aren't useful in my standard load-out, right now .. I like AKs, personal preference for a fun-gun, & I used to like AKMs better..  but they are not REAL useful in my DayZ ATM, I don't carry them unless I trip over one,  and don't go looking for them (who needs them?).  I look for other stuff that is MORE useful. 
So I guess we have different styles of playing. I'd really have to think back to remember the last time I went across SW Airfield.. If I go near a barracks or mil tents or green mountain it's to check out the sucker players who are jumping around there like fleas, I don't see much point in going INSIDE myself .. I just wait for them to come out.
Natch with so much hopping they don't come out OFTEN
.. but you always have to be careful in DayZ - there might be just one or two REALLY SMART players somewhere -  anytime at all  .. that's what makes the game REALLY interesting, IMO.  Being outsmarted. 

so I wondered what was YOUR kick in DayZ ?

Don't answer if you don't want to. No problem.

 

Edited May 18, 2019 by pilgrim*

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

@pilgrim*

I love survival games and the common factor I enjoy in all of them is the fresh spawn and the process of building up that character. Sometimes it sucks to die. It depends how you die I guess. But sometimes it is nice to be reborn. 

Dayz has lots of different angles, but the fresh spawn is like the start of a new story. I love the looting up process. I'm not a brilliant pvp player so I tend to avoid it unless it's necessary. I like travelling the map collecting things.. Each session starts out with a plan. That might be collecting burlap, or looking for car parts, or just travelling the coast looking to meet people. 

The map is beautiful and just exploring it is enough for me. If I want pvp, I go play battlefield. I play this game for the immersion. I play it like I would if I was in a zombie apocalypse. Keep surviving and avoid people! 

Edited May 18, 2019 by DayzDayzFanboy

[pilgrim* 3514]

8 hours ago, DayzDayzFanboy said:

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Sounds about right to me.. I'm generally 90% solo then sometimes I meet people, I don't usually team up but you get to know a few players through time..  Sometimes I get a wild hair and decide it's time to go into town and start a new life, ya know.. if things get too easy or nothing unexpected drops on you
(BUT one of the things I LIKE about DayZ  is unexpected stuff turns up really frequently, just when you thought you were going to have a quiet day looking for a good ..er.. SPADE (ya know?) .. , you find yourself in the middle of the most amazing stuff.. too countless to mention.. just never take it for granted, whatever it is.. ) So I hardly ever get around to doing my gangnam-kamikazi-style

But then I think "what the hell" one day and go hang around  inside the showers in a barracks on a mid pop server, without intending to leave - and see who turns up and who hops in (and they DO Turn Up for sure, usually in one of the end rooms, like second or third from the end, never right at the end, never in the showers.. like hamsters in a hamster playpen [eh he he suckers]  ) or a super geared up team beams in outside somewhere and I HOLD them OFF - crazy b@stard no one EVER going to put handcuffs on me.. ya know.. get some DAMAGE out   -  or I go into town REALLY looking for trouble (kind of like the drunk gold-miner out of the hills) . End up on a beach, throw away the flare, go find a couple of stones make a flint knife, get some spare rags made into bandages..  THEN the starting up from there is HALF the MOST interesting part of the game.. pity about the hunting rifle but I shot two of those dudes (got one THROUGH the door) , and pity about the shotgun but I killed that other guy and gave him a couple of point blank rounds after, before they killed me, so his gear ain't going to be worth much to  his mates.. and seeing as the others started shooting from 2 directions at once I'll bet they didn't pick up much useful stuff of my body either (even if they wanted it) .. so that's ok.

But I only do that occasionally (wild-hair hill-billy syndrome)  . Usually I'm doing the same stuff as you seem to be doing..  stay cool, plan, move, explore, stay alert, Hell, I sit down and cook my steaks over a fire even though you don't right now get sick from eating raw meat.. a few cooked steaks keeps you from going hungry for a long time..     Last week I hiked up from the SW corner straight compass line across the map to Berezino to look at the tank monument because it's a long time since I've seen that damned tank. I LIKE it. Used to have all kinds of action between the tank monument and the hospital,  before the town kind of grew up around it and spread out (since way back I've spent a lot of time on that hospital roof for one reason or another) .. and Hey, found a NEW police station - never been in there before!.. found a couple of cans and a splitting axe in a shed and headed out West into the "west midlands" south of the North Road, just to see what was happening out there ..   

I'm mainly kind of scouting, backwoods, hunt, stay off the roads (or maybe just 30 yards off the road), stealth in towns and villages, and if you're going to shoot someone, shoot them before they know you're there.  
Barrel or box makes a good stash somewhere - might need it might not - might go back to it might never go back. 

Bit by bit all the extra stuff that was in game around the 0.62 version will come back into DayZ on Xbox and on PC .. that's fine.. The more alternatives and crafting there is the more the play-styles spread out and get different.. (last time I remember, trying to hunt deer with a bow and arrow is a total pisser, BUT I worked out a way to trick and trap wild pigs against a fallen tree and kill them with an axe... works one time out of five or so.. maybe one time out of .. ten..  ??.. know a player who goes solo hunting wolves, that's her kick  [ mean  bad girl  ]  .. )   I wear a soft hat but I KNOW a helmet protects the head better. I don't like the look, I guess?  - There's PLENTY of space - play how you feel, that's what DayZ is for - IMO. 

The only thing I actually MISS - and hasn't been in the game at all since the SA, is being able to KEEP an empty can or throw it away. (if you drop it someone might notice you've been around recently)  If you kept an empty can you could make a stick fire and boil water in it.. kind of total HOBO basic thing. Long time ago they decided to take that out of the game - REAL PITY IMO
- And then we went through at time when there were plenty of mil weapons but ammo was real SCARCE (lots of folk complained) .. went through a time of lots of gun jams and you had to sort ammo you found for damaged rounds.. going through a time now you can find ammo but mil rifles are scarce (listen to the complaints).. For me that don't make  any difference, for ME it will be nice to get back to a game where ANTIBIOTICS can save your life..   but ..
if you're SURVIVING in DayZ you do what you like ANY WAY you like - and you USE what's THERE..  no point in trying to use what's NOT there..
I'd PERSONALLY like an empty CAN to boil my water but their AINT ANY...  so watch me throw a tantrum about it and shout for my money back :

.. What the EFFFFFfff is WRONG with you, cant you DEVES program an EMPTY TIN CAN FOR eFFFFs SAke jeeez wept begggration sheeeet crap babblle FOAM AT MOUTH !!!
.. WHERES MY EMPTY TIN CAN YOU BASTARDS !!!!!  
 

xxp
Enjoy
p.s. -  BEANZ

Edited May 18, 2019 by pilgrim*
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[Jonas Levin 265]

On 5/17/2019 at 3:22 PM, Porcelain_Punisher said:

I already play pub and you're right it is a good game. You're wrong though, Fights are greatly determined by the type of weapons. Tactics and "skill" ofcourse play a massive role but when you are stuck in a gunfight with a sk or shotgun and trying to avoid the hail of rounds coming from m4s or aks, it's a bit tougher. Again, the game is based in modern days and this map has multiple military bases on it. It makes absolutely no sense to not gave assault rifles and there is no logical argument against that. If a zombie apocalypse happened today, is everyone going to have a bolt action or shotgun? No, likely everyone will have assault style weapons. Again, not very immersive given the setting. Also, more people having access to assault rifles would inevitably make the game harder and more intense. Fights would be more violent and risky. Dying would be greater possibility. No excuse here

I play different when I control of different weapons.

Use the playstile that fits the weapons you have and your chance of winning the firefight is greatly raised.

Also, all battles can't be won and should not be.

I talked to an idiot the other day who basically said that it was his right to meatball if he was up against several people, and my reply to him also was to stop being an idiot (ps - I am not comparing you to him, just making an example) and accept that some fights can't be won and that he has no right to think that or to do that stuff to even the odds as it was him who chose to take the route to where he was and that he should have been scouting the area better or stayed out of it (or accept that he is dead).

[Jonas Levin 265]

On 5/17/2019 at 3:22 PM, Porcelain_Punisher said:

Also, more people having access to assault rifles would inevitably make the game harder

Lol no, it would make the game more like PUBG and would basically destroy the reason for over 50% of the weapons to be here.

What we need is LESS of the real good weapons, that would make it a lot more fun, a lot more challenging and it would be something to remember when you get it and kits it out (like a gillie with suppressed AWM in PUBG is to most people).

PS - What is harder then going up against a fully geared player with you ij70 and winning and what is most rewarding?

Edited May 19, 2019 by Jonas Levin

[bent.toe 529]

On 5/18/2019 at 6:12 PM, pilgrim* said:

HUGE WALL OF TEXT ABOUT ABSOLUTLY JACK SHIT. 

Jeeeez man... You should ease up a bit. You take yourself waaaaaay to seriously. 

One could almost think your a PC elitist sent to bring peace and knowledge to us peasant console players. 

Your ignored...again.

Have a pleasant evening.