Barrel persistence

[saamohod 45]

 Are the barrels persistent in game? I just hid a couple of barrels on an empty persistent server. They disappeared after the server's restart. I may presume the server crashed, although it didn't look like it.
 The server was empty all the time, so there is zero chance someone took them.
 Does the barrel persistence work for you folks?

 What are the other items that are supposed to be persistent, besides the barrels and the tents?

P.S. How does the open/closed lid of a barrel affect persistence? IIRC I forgot to close the barrels' lids before they disappeared. Could it be the reason?

Edited October 16, 2015 by saamohod

[Yuval 221]

I stopped playing DayZ about a week ago. But I had 2 barrels with an AUG, Mosin, ammo and M4 optics. It was there for a few days but I stopped checking since I stopped playing. So I guess the server has persistence off in your case.

Edited October 16, 2015 by StanleyWasHappy

[GaryWalnuts 1680]

Barrels are supposed to last 45 days.

If it's a private server it's possible that the server admin reset persistence.

If it's public I suppose it's also possible that the server wasn't connecting to the hive properly

Check this thread for more info about persistent items

https://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/229507-qs-about-storage-items/

[Yuval 221]

The persistance of storage objects is stored on the servers themselves I think. Since each server uses its own hive for barrel and tent persistence. Therefore connection to the main hive shouldn't matter - just saying :D

Edited October 16, 2015 by StanleyWasHappy

[Nebulae3 422]

The persistance with barrels is working, but items on the ground will be gone in matter of minutes, except backpacks which is couple of days.

You was probably on a none persistence server, or GaryWalnuts said the server had some issues, or not connected to the hive.

[ScipioII 176]

I had the same problem.... until I looked under the actual pine tree and found it. I looked in the wrong spot for almost a week!

 

Now I have 2 barrels. AND I know where they are.

[KenoSkir88 181]

I'll just end this then :)

 

If your barrels were not stolen then the server did a "Full Wipe Reset" which not only restarts the server but wipes the persistence file stored server side. Persistence is on for ALL SERVERS currently regardless what the title says (extra info : the server name means nothing, admins cannot change anything regarding loot amount, loot location, crash site spawns or anything else aside from time of day at server restart and server restart interval), however as mentioned the persistence file can be deleted causing loot to respawn across the entire map as if the server was brand new. This means barrels gone, crash sites in their original starting positions, trucks in original starting positions etc. It is common practice for server owners to perform hard resets as a method of cycling high value loot spawns and as such it is difficult to tell which servers will actually retain your stashes and bases. Suggest you try using one of the official public servers, or a long running reputable public/private server for your stashes.

Edited October 16, 2015 by KenoSkir88

[madfirehawk 12]

If you leave the barrels open then they will disappear when the server resets. 

[Mookie (original) 799]

Even 'official' servers can have problems - the server holding one of my stashes disappeared completely for a week. Then (miracle!) it reappeared and (even more miracle!), my stash was still there.

 

This issue about servers being unilaterally admin wiped, or vanishing without trace, seems to me to be a serious problem with persistence. But, hey, it's DayZ.

 

Edit: If the poster above me is right about barrels being left open...well, I didn't know that...

Edited October 16, 2015 by Mookie

[Yuval 221]

This is so evil... You can find an entire base take what you can and leave the rest to disappear

[PongoZ 127]

actually a good idea cause the central economy is constrained by those items in barrels right?

[Mad Scientist 73]

If you leave the barrels open then they will disappear when the server resets.

Have to disagree mate. I have left barrels open and they were still there a couple of days later.

[FrigginTommyNoble 61]

actually a good idea cause the central economy is constrained by those items in barrels right?

 

This is something I wasn't able to glean from persistance/storage discussions.. If you loot an item, and then store it in a barrel, is that item removed from the "economy," and thus will respawn elsewhere on that server? Or will it remain in the CLE table, effectively decrementing the total number of available items in spawn locations on that server?

[Yuval 221]

CLE doeant involve loot outside their spawn area. Bases and loot economy should have no effect on eachother.

[madfirehawk 12]

Have to disagree mate. I have left barrels open and they were still there a couple of days later.

Not sure if it has changed since I made the mistake of leaving one open then....the server that I play on is def persistent. I dunno haha thats what I blamed it on tho...I just play it safe and close the barrel once Im done with it and havent had an issue since.

[KenoSkir88 181]

If you leave the barrels open then they will disappear when the server resets. 

 

Nope, i'm afraid this is incorrect.Your items will however most likely be wet when you come back due to rain entering the barrel, additionally the barrel will remain wet inside and make any further items you add wet also. This may be due to damp soaking through from adjacent items or from water kinda pooling in the barrel itself, i am unsure how it works on that one and i have not tested if a nearby fire can rectify the issue for the whole barrel or if items must be removed and dried manually on your body.

 

Not sure if it has changed since I made the mistake of leaving one open then....the server that I play on is def persistent. I dunno haha thats what I blamed it on tho...I just play it safe and close the barrel once Im done with it and havent had an issue since.

 

Either the server you play on was not as persistent as you believed it to be, or it was a robbery / glitch. Remember, all servers are locked to persistent. If the persistence file is wiped it is by choice of the server admin on an individual wipe basis, not by turning persistence itself off.

Edited October 17, 2015 by KenoSkir88

[nl 986]

 Are the barrels persistent in game? I just hid a couple of barrels on an empty persistent server. They disappeared after the server's restart. I may presume the server crashed, although it didn't look like it.

 The server was empty all the time, so there is zero chance someone took them.

 Does the barrel persistence work for you folks?

 What are the other items that are supposed to be persistent, besides the barrels and the tents?

P.S. How does the open/closed lid of a barrel affect persistence? IIRC I forgot to close the barrels' lids before they disappeared. Could it be the reason?

Well I did a cache check run on a public server and after 29 days not touching them all my barrels were still there with all contents. Some had their lids open and some not. Also all tents and trucks I had hidden on several locations were all still there.

Edited October 17, 2015 by SAK

[Yuval 221]

Ye I think the lid thing is just an animation. When its in a closed phase you can't interact with the inventory and you can pick it up if it's empty. Vice versa for open phase.

[Jex 1104]

Barrels are supposed to last 45 days.

If it's a private server it's possible that the server admin reset persistence.

If it's public I suppose it's also possible that the server wasn't connecting to the hive properly

Check this thread for more info about persistent items

https://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/229507-qs-about-storage-items/

 

is the 45 days no matter what or does that reset if you open/interact with it?

[SMoss 2101]

is the 45 days no matter what or does that reset if you open/interact with it?

This is from the July 29 Status Report (http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/227520-status-report-29-jul-2015/):

 

...Current functionality on experimental does not allow for refreshing the lifetime of an object without picking it up, so tents and barrels were set to a lifetime that will cover the time to .59 + some safety room in case of .59 stable blockers. Once .59 is pushed to stable, we will support the refresh of a base objects lifetime via interacting with it (moving, placing, picking up any item inside it) - which will operate as follows:

 

- Medium Tent (Pitched): 7 Days

- Military Tent (Pitched): 7 Days

- Car Tent (Pitched): 7 Days

- Barrels: 7 Days

- Ammo Boxes: 7 Days

- Protector Cases: 7 Days

- Backpacks (All types): 3 Days

[GaryWalnuts 1680]

is the 45 days no matter what or does that reset if you open/interact with it?

I think you can leave it untouched.

I've left a camp untouched for about 2 weeks and everything was just as I left it, several tents, barrels and protector cases on the ground too.

 

Edit: hmmm 7 days is the limit?  That's odd, I'm sure I left stuff longer.  Does opening the tent/looking at the contents but not moving anything count as interaction?

Edited October 19, 2015 by GaryWalnuts