Third person

[tandwan 250]

Meh. I play on both and enjoy both for different reasons- 1pp feels more tense to me but in 3pp I can actually see out of the windows in buildings without feeling like a child that needs to stand on tip toes to see over the window ledge.

A lot of the assets in game feel wrongly sized in 1pp, something which is mitigated to an extent in 3pp.

 

I also know people who feel sick when playing solely in 1pp, especially during long runs so they prefer 3pp. I personally don't like how the camera moves when you are running and looking around in 1pp (I have head bob and all that jazz turned off) and have only noticed this change over the last few patches.

 

See, you're the first person to make a valid point I can agree with. Yes, I don't feel the buildings are sized correctly to allow proper vision over them. I can agree with this because it feels a bit... weird having to stand completely up to look out a window which you would think you could see out of.

 

And yes, motion sickness. Completely understand this as I have it. The best way to combat it for me is peppermint. Not sure how that helps but it does for me.

[ColdAtrophy 1850]

I really wanted to post here about how ridiculous most of the 3PP arguments are but I got most of the way through a proper rebuttal of all of Etherimp's points (especially since it was all SO poorly formed) and realized this whole thing is pointless. We could literally copy and paste this discussion from 500 other threads without skipping a beat. Keep calm and continue beating your heads against the proverbial brick wall.

[tandwan 250]

The original topic of this was - Come try something new.

 

That's it, that's all it was. The rest of this came out of nowhere. I'm actually done posting here because my mission was accomplished with the first post.

[Mos1ey 6301]

I like 1pp, I use it in cities and in combat. It's a trick O picked up in ArmA during city seiges. I can shoot accurately from the hip better than I can in 3pp, and its faster than aiming the sights while in 3pp.

However, I use 3pp when I'm not expecting combat or are setting up my camp- which involves cooking. I like seeing myself to cure the boredom that comes from isolation. Personally I like the new 3pp better, I even made a suggestion thread several times about a camera perspective like The Last Of Us because I like that style of 3pp better.

My suggestion is that 3pp is disabled when in combat. I play on a hardcore Mod server where when your in combat from an infected or player it locks youbto first person.

As a side note, why do people complain about 3pp cheaters when they can simply join a 1pp only server? And why call it superior when there's like 20 people on all the 1pp servers put together?

So you call 3pp cheating and say that 1pp is superior- but you continue to play on 3pp servers and complain that the "superior" 1pp servers are empty? Wut?

Not directed at the OP, just at people in general. If 1pp was better than your precious 1pp servers would be full and you wouldn't constantly bitch about those terrible 3pp servers that you insist on playing on.

 

Taylor Swift sells more records than your favourite artist, that doesn't make her "better".

 

People are drawn to the path with least resistance. They love to take the easy way out. If one server offers them an easy advantage over other players and another server offers a level playing field for everyone (therefore a higher chance to lose), which one do you think they're going to play on?

[frosti 2165]

Taylor Swift sells more records than your favourite artist, that doesn't make her "better".

 

People are drawn to the path with least resistance. They love to take the easy way out. If one server offers them an easy advantage over other players and another server offers a level playing field for everyone (therefore a higher chance to lose), which one do you think they're going to play on?

 

Exactly. Just wait till modding is allowed and when servers like extra barracks, bonus military loot and donator gear load out comes out. Those will be the most populated ones.

[cash81 506]

A good question and one that I will answer. I love DayZ and unfortunately it comes to a point where I am forced to play on a 3pp server because I like interaction with players as much as I like 1pp. Unfortunately at certain times of the day the servers become completely empty and I won't avoid the reasoning behind this either, it's easier. People would rather play on a 3pp server not because it's much more fun, they play there because 3pp makes it easier. In my honest opinion that answer can't be denied because you can't say it's not fun on 1pp servers because it's the same game. There's absolutely no difference in game-play between a first person or a third person server as nothing has changed but perspective. Granted I won't deny there are people who enjoy watching their character wander around and loot things or maybe hold a gun in a certain way but I just can't avoid the truth : Third person servers give a person that first person does not, third person perspective. Now I won't drag that particular horse out of the shed and commence to hammering on it with my stick, to each their own, if you want to do 1pp or 3pp then enjoy the game how you want. However I won't give anything other then a justified reasoning behind why 1person servers are empty. People enjoy having the advantage of being able to third person over walls and such over having to rely on first person. Otherwise we get answers like the second person in this thread, I like third person because my character needs to be pretty in a zombie apocalypse.

And we get your answer of "i like 1pp so everyone needs to play more of that because i dont have anyone to play with" as well as "everyone plays 3pp only because its easy" well i guess you only play with melee weapons right because playing with a gun is easy. So be more hardmode and stop taking the easy way out. No eating, no drinking, no weapons. True hardmode.

I like my way, you like yours. Nuff said.

PS your post might not be beat to death, but the points you bring up are.

[grimlok 77]

The biggest reason that I play and prefer 1pp servers is that it keeps you on your toes.  You don't end up going yolo all over the place because you can't peek over every obstacle so you would have to be cautious going into towns and cities. You also become very selective of gear you decide to choose aka mountain backpack; limits your view of looking over your shoulder.  

 

Taylor Swift sells more records than your favourite artist, that doesn't make her "better".

 

People are drawn to the path with least resistance. They love to take the easy way out. If one server offers them an easy advantage over other players and another server offers a level playing field for everyone (therefore a higher chance to lose), which one do you think they're going to play on?

And 100 times this.  13 million people didn't get into world of warcraft because the game was so awesome, they got into it because blizzard made it easier by being able to level faster, quest solo and acquire gear without even trying.

[svisketyggeren 662]

With the upcoming .58 patch you will no longer be able to third person over most walls in the game due to the aspect being changed drastically. 

 

 

I expect the bodies will pile up around the walls where they still can look over...

[pilgrim* 3514]

I think the second person in this thread makes a comment about first person but the first person doesn't like third person but the third person plays first person sometimes and likes third person and agrees with the fourth person who argues about the second person playing in first person not third person, the fifth person agrees with the fourth person about third person

so we can all relax till the next thread

[BeefBacon 1185]

 

1. Inconsistent/low FPS

 

It has never been proven with any testing at all that can be found anywhere on the internet that first person servers get worse FPS then a third person server. If in fact this was true then I am sure someone would have posted it in the bugs section of this forum, I won't insult your intelligence in how to get there and look for yourself but I will save you the time. There's no such thread because First person vs. Third person has no bases on FPS.

 

2. Low FPS results in jumpy mouse response..

 

FPS has nothing to do with perspective, see above. Your FPS is directly based off of your PC which causes mouse stutter and bad frames. Basing your FPS on if you're on a first or third person server is completely ignorant and even more ignorant to think changing perspective makes your game play worse. Let's think about this for a moment in the form of a scenario. You are in Berezino and getting 60 FPS, someone shoots at you and you switch to first person, your FPS stays 60 frames per second. It doesn't magically drop simply because you changed perspectives. I could record this and give you an example but I won't waste my time.

 

3. Visual clutter. In most FPS's (Say, CSGO), everything is clean and models/players "stand out" from the environment.. In DayZ, you can see 1000 meters away, and there's SO much to take in that the wider perspective 3pp offers allows your mind to pick out movement/color change easier, which makes getting your bearings easier. In 1pp, it's easy to lose your sense of direction because it's easier to lose visual "markers"

 

This... is again dumb. How do you suddenly lose visual markers because you move out of third person? I mean, this makes no sense. Do the hills and trees and things get up and run off because you changed perspective and secretly snicker at you from behind some other hill due to your misfortune? Third person only moves your perspective farther back behind your character and in some cases gives you vision over obstacles that you normally wouldn't have. Furthermore, comparing this game to CS:GO is a bit awkward don't you think? A competitive shooter vs a survival based fps? There's no clutter in CS:GO compared to DayZ because they are completely different genera. Moving on..

 

4. Small buildings/entrances/doorways, short cielings, clutter in rooms/buildings/environment.. Stuff that basically forces you to get stuck/be unable to move fluidly.. All of this is prevented/helped with 3pp, where you can see your surroundings better and see what your feet are doing.

 

The clutter and space does not change because you change perspective. Nothing changes other then you have vision directly out of your characters eyes. The tables and chairs don't move towards you or get closer and doors don't stop you from entering. Furthermore, the only time I have ever experienced getting stuck in a door was back in older builds of this game. Moving on...

 

5. Laying in trees/bushes/on a hill.. In 1pp it's very difficult for you to get a sense of how hard you are for others to see or how well hidden you are.. in 3rd person, you can see your surroundings better so you know how your body is fitting into those surroundings.

 

Then.... don't hide in a bush? Seriously, if you can't judge if a bush / tree / whatever hides you then there's other problems with your game-play other then the server you play on. Judging if you're in cover is a FPS basic tool and simply requires you to learn a little bit before jumping into a bush and wondering if it covers you.

 

6. Driving vehicles in 1pp is just downright retarded.. nuff said. 

 

Stupid argument. NUFF SAID. That didn't win you any argument because driving in first person isn't difficult at all. So you've never played any game where you had to drive in first person? Were they all stupid? If yes, then see above, it's not DayZ that's the problem it's your visual awareness.

 

 I play other FPS games fine without 3pp. Battlefield, CSGO, Insurgency, you name it... Because those games were designed around being FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS.. DayZ is .. not really.

 

 

I agree to an extent. He's right about the inconsistent framerate thing. I notice the low framerate a lot more in 1pp than 3pp. However, this will eventually be fixed or at least mitigated so this is a temporary issue at best.

 

Vehicles I also agree with him on, though he gives no reasoning besides saying "itz retartid lol". Moron. Rear view mirrors and such not working makes driving a lot more difficult. I'd like to be able to peek my head out of the window to look back or something as well. I seem to recall devs mentioning the new renderer would allow things like rear view mirrors so, again, temporary issue.

 

3pp will always be in the game - the devs have said as much - even though they've said that 1pp really is the best way to play. That being the case, reaching a 3pp compromise that restricts the exploits inherent in 3pp is the best we can hope for. That's good enough for me.

[Etherimp 1323]

I agree to an extent. He's right about the inconsistent framerate thing. I notice the low framerate a lot more in 1pp than 3pp. However, this will eventually be fixed or at least mitigated so this is a temporary issue at best.

 

Vehicles I also agree with him on, though he gives no reasoning besides saying "itz retartid lol". Moron. Rear view mirrors and such not working makes driving a lot more difficult. I'd like to be able to peek my head out of the window to look back or something as well. I seem to recall devs mentioning the new renderer would allow things like rear view mirrors so, again, temporary issue.

 

3pp will always be in the game - the devs have said as much - even though they've said that 1pp really is the best way to play. That being the case, reaching a 3pp compromise that restricts the exploits inherent in 3pp is the best we can hope for. That's good enough for me.

 

 

I didn't give a reason because it was like 1 or 2 in the morning and I was tired and didn't feel like pointing out ALL of the reasons why driving in DayZ in 1st person is horrible. 

 

Look at EVERY game with vehicles, including racing games.. MOST of them have a 3rd person perspective WHILE in vehicles. Why? Because your single monitor cannot properly simulate all of the aspects of human vision and perspective that make it possible to drive "just like real life". This is why extremely realistic driving simulators, when driven in first person, are best played with 3+ monitors. 

 

Like this:

 

Edited July 18, 2015 by Etherimp

[Etherimp 1323]

So I read over this list and I have to say, L O L

 

I mean, so much of this 'super list of things that are fact' is so biased and ignorant I just.... let me start here.

 

 

 

 

1. Inconsistent/low FPS

 

It has never been proven with any testing at all that can be found anywhere on the internet that first person servers get worse FPS then a third person server. If in fact this was true then I am sure someone would have posted it in the bugs section of this forum, I won't insult your intelligence in how to get there and look for yourself but I will save you the time. There's no such thread because First person vs. Third person has no bases on FPS.

 

2. Low FPS results in jumpy mouse response..

 

FPS has nothing to do with perspective, see above. Your FPS is directly based off of your PC which causes mouse stutter and bad frames. Basing your FPS on if you're on a first or third person server is completely ignorant and even more ignorant to think changing perspective makes your game play worse. Let's think about this for a moment in the form of a scenario. You are in Berezino and getting 60 FPS, someone shoots at you and you switch to first person, your FPS stays 60 frames per second. It doesn't magically drop simply because you changed perspectives. I could record this and give you an example but I won't waste my time.

 

3. Visual clutter. In most FPS's (Say, CSGO), everything is clean and models/players "stand out" from the environment.. In DayZ, you can see 1000 meters away, and there's SO much to take in that the wider perspective 3pp offers allows your mind to pick out movement/color change easier, which makes getting your bearings easier. In 1pp, it's easy to lose your sense of direction because it's easier to lose visual "markers"

 

This... is again dumb. How do you suddenly lose visual markers because you move out of third person? I mean, this makes no sense. Do the hills and trees and things get up and run off because you changed perspective and secretly snicker at you from behind some other hill due to your misfortune? Third person only moves your perspective farther back behind your character and in some cases gives you vision over obstacles that you normally wouldn't have. Furthermore, comparing this game to CS:GO is a bit awkward don't you think? A competitive shooter vs a survival based fps? There's no clutter in CS:GO compared to DayZ because they are completely different genera. Moving on..

 

4. Small buildings/entrances/doorways, short cielings, clutter in rooms/buildings/environment.. Stuff that basically forces you to get stuck/be unable to move fluidly.. All of this is prevented/helped with 3pp, where you can see your surroundings better and see what your feet are doing.

 

The clutter and space does not change because you change perspective. Nothing changes other then you have vision directly out of your characters eyes. The tables and chairs don't move towards you or get closer and doors don't stop you from entering. Furthermore, the only time I have ever experienced getting stuck in a door was back in older builds of this game. Moving on...

 

5. Laying in trees/bushes/on a hill.. In 1pp it's very difficult for you to get a sense of how hard you are for others to see or how well hidden you are.. in 3rd person, you can see your surroundings better so you know how your body is fitting into those surroundings.

 

Then.... don't hide in a bush? Seriously, if you can't judge if a bush / tree / whatever hides you then there's other problems with your game-play other then the server you play on. Judging if you're in cover is a FPS basic tool and simply requires you to learn a little bit before jumping into a bush and wondering if it covers you.

 

6. Driving vehicles in 1pp is just downright retarded.. nuff said. 

 

Stupid argument. NUFF SAID. That didn't win you any argument because driving in first person isn't difficult at all. So you've never played any game where you had to drive in first person? Were they all stupid? If yes, then see above, it's not DayZ that's the problem it's your visual awareness.

 

 I play other FPS games fine without 3pp. Battlefield, CSGO, Insurgency, you name it... Because those games were designed around being FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS.. DayZ is .. not really.

 

DayZ is a game based off Arma, which is a tactical FPS. Saying that Arma of all games is not as good a FPS as a run and gun shooter is a bit silly. The entire argument you made was totally biased with no proof whatsoever. The only thing I said about third person servers is the fact I feel that third person is a bit of a cheat because it gives you vision you normally would not have. I have never claimed to be better then anyone else in DayZ nor will I ever do so. I will stand by my previous words : People play on third person servers because they are generally easier as third person is a crutch. You don't have to like the statement as it's my opinion, much like your entire post above mine.  I think you should take your own advice here, stop arguing this topic because the your 'opinion' is not 'fact'.

 

1. Inconsistent/low FPS exist in 3pp and 1st person.. I wasn't stating that FPS in 1st person was worse. 

 

2. Yeah yeah.. See above. I wasn't saying there was a difference. 

 

3. You can suddenly lose visual markers because your effective field of view is dropped down significantly and everything looks the same. Ever looked under a microscope? Same effect. Most FPS games have small maps.. Corridors and hallways. You can usually see from one end of the map to the other.. Even in games like Battlefield, there aren't a bunch of trees and bushes and grass, etc etc. Saying "CSGO is a completely different genre" is not an argument. They are NOT a completely different Genre. Counter-Strike was the first successful Tactical FPS ... TACTICAL, FIRST, PERSON, SHOOTER.. And it's one of the most popular FPS games of all time.. There's a REASON it's popular.. There's a REASON there are tournaments for it which offer thousands of dollars in prize money.

 

 

4. No... Those things don't move closer to you BUT YOU RUN INTO THEM MORE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE YOUR SURROUNDINGS AS WELL IN 1ST PERSON.. I do not understand what's so difficult to grasp about that.

 

5. Right.. Don't lay in a bush because you're playing on Hardcore.. Thanks for pointing out exactly why people don't play on hardcore.

 

6. See my above post. 

 

 

I tried to make a rather concise post, but I knew that the "HARDCORE" elitism would not allow you to concede any points what-so-ever and you would blindly defend your precious hardcore mode.. 

Guess what dude? You're not hardcore. It doesn't make you any better of a player. If you like it, THATS FINE.. I'm not telling you that you shouldn't play on hardcore servers. You're the one trying to do that to people who play on normal servers. But the fact that you can't even admit there are flaws with DayZ/ARMAIII First person perspective is just.. laughable.

 

What other first person perspective games have you played, out of curiosity? What other FPS games? 

Edited July 18, 2015 by Etherimp

[QUAZIMOFO 275]

I primarily play 3pp because 1pp gives me bad headaches after about 20 minutes of it in this game. Ive never experienced this from any other fps game. In DayZ I will go first person when I enter buildings or most urban combat so long as it's short lived. 90% of my game time is 3pp otherwise I'm eating tylenol like they were M&M's and lying down for an hour in a dark room.

[grimlok 77]

1. Inconsistent/low FPS exist in 3pp and 1st person.. I wasn't stating that FPS in 1st person was worse. 

Never saw a difference or drop in FPS when in either first or third.  Get a better PC

2. Yeah yeah.. See above. I wasn't saying there was a difference. 

See above

3. You can suddenly lose visual markers because your effective field of view is dropped down significantly and everything looks the same. Ever looked under a microscope? Same effect. Most FPS games have small maps.. Corridors and hallways. You can usually see from one end of the map to the other.. Even in games like Battlefield, there aren't a bunch of trees and bushes and grass, etc etc. Saying "CSGO is a completely different genre" is not an argument. They are NOT a completely different Genre. Counter-Strike was the first successful Tactical FPS ... TACTICAL, FIRST, PERSON, SHOOTER.. And it's one of the most popular FPS games of all time.. There's a REASON it's popular.. There's a REASON there are tournaments for it which offer thousands of dollars in prize money.

CS a "tactical shooter?  Please, don't make me laugh.  It's popular because it's easy to jump in and out of and can run on anyones potato

4. No... Those things don't move closer to you BUT YOU RUN INTO THEM MORE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE YOUR SURROUNDINGS AS WELL IN 1ST PERSON.. I do not understand what's so difficult to grasp about that.

There's a head look for a reason, learn to use

5. Right.. Don't lay in a bush because you're playing on Hardcore.. Thanks for pointing out exactly why people don't play on hardcore.

Laying in bushes has nothing to do with "hardcore" or playing 1pp

6. See my above post. 

Ya ya, we've all read about how hardcore you are with your leet skills in killing.

 

I tried to make a rather concise post, but I knew that the "HARDCORE" elitism would not allow you to concede any points what-so-ever and you would blindly defend your precious hardcore mode.. 

Guess what dude? You're not hardcore. It doesn't make you any better of a player. If you like it, THATS FINE.. I'm not telling you that you shouldn't play on hardcore servers. You're the one trying to do that to people who play on normal servers. But the fact that you can't even admit there are flaws with DayZ/ARMAIII First person perspective is just.. laughable.

 

What other first person perspective games have you played, out of curiosity? What other FPS games? 

Interesting, I never once saw the OP state how hardcore they are.  Seems like you're grasping at straws for the sake of an argument.

[Etherimp 1323]

Never saw a difference or drop in FPS when in either first or third.  Get a better PC

See above

CS a "tactical shooter?  Please, don't make me laugh.  It's popular because it's easy to jump in and out of and can run on anyones potato

There's a head look for a reason, learn to use

Laying in bushes has nothing to do with "hardcore" or playing 1pp

Ya ya, we've all read about how hardcore you are with your leet skills in killing.

 

Interesting, I never once saw the OP state how hardcore they are.  Seems like you're grasping at straws for the sake of an argument.

 

 

Once again.. I NEVER SAID there was a DROP in FPS when you go 1st person vs 3rd person.. The DIFFERENCE is that your mouse movement is not SMOOTH. When you DROP FRAMES your MOUSE SKIPS. The MOUSE SKIPPING causes disorientation and horrible tracking. In 3rd person it's easier to compensate for this. In 1st person it's game-breaking. I guarantee it's not my fucking PC, as EVERYONE has frame drops in DayZ.. I get 70-100 FPS in open fields, and 11-20 in cities.. My PC is fine. This GAME however is NOT optimized and that's well known by the entire community including the Devs.. The fact that you tell me to get a "better PC" to play DayZ is fucking laughable.

 

-Intel I-5 4570 @ 3.20 ghz

-12GB Ram

-GeForce GTX 760 192bit.

 

CS IS and always has been a tactical shooter.. If you think it's easy to jump in to that's because you've never played it. Does it have "arcade" elements to it? Yes.. But it also has a MUCH higher skill cap than any other First Person Shooter. If you are a god in CS, you can dominate in any other FPS game.. But the converse is not usually true. I promise you, if you try to "jump into" CS like you claim, you'll get your shit pushed in for the first month or two.. if not longer.

 

As far as "using your head" to look around inside of buildings and laying in bushes and shit... Sorry, but it's just not the same and for you to argue that it is the same is .. silly. Not even close. If I'm in 3rd person I can easily avoid getting stuck in doorways and I can see where loot is in a room and I can see where the chairs and shit are without having to spin my head around like a maniac trying to find everything that I could possibly trip over in a "life or death" situation.

 

Rest of your post is just ad hominem so I won't bother with it.

Edited July 18, 2015 by Etherimp

[BCBasher 2465]

I didn't give a reason because it was like 1 or 2 in the morning and I was tired and didn't feel like pointing out ALL of the reasons why driving in DayZ in 1st person is horrible. 

 

Look at EVERY game with vehicles, including racing games.. MOST of them have a 3rd person perspective WHILE in vehicles. Why? Because your single monitor cannot properly simulate all of the aspects of human vision and perspective that make it possible to drive "just like real life". This is why extremely realistic driving simulators, when driven in first person, are best played with 3+ monitors. 

 

Like this:

 

 

It's better but the viewpoint is still kind of high.

 

It's a good compromise for someone like me who only plays 1pp even on 3pp servers.

 

Warning once you go WSG there's no turning back and if your cat busts one of your matching TVs and you can't get an exact replacement it invokes all kind of feels. 

 

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/438323734770652902/A8FE13318DC7CA40C29090814B8CC9134CA54EC2/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|2048:364&composite-to=*,*|2048:364&background-color=black

Edited July 18, 2015 by BCBasher

[Pandema 352]

Whoa

 

Guys what if

 

Guys

 

What if instead of removing 3pp we just

 

Guys listen
 

What if we just have separate 1pp/3pp hives?

 

Wait, we already have those? So why are people constantly bitching if they have the option to avoid those 3pp "scrubs"?

Oh thats right, their way is the only correct way to play.

[BCBasher 2465]

Whoa

 

Guys what if

 

Guys

 

What if instead of removing 3pp we just

 

Guys listen

 

What if we just have separate 1pp/3pp hives?

 

Wait, we already have those? So why are people constantly bitching if they have the option to avoid those 3pp "scrubs"?

Oh thats right, their way is the only correct way to play.

 

You're right, stay out of the 3pp scum's sandbox and obviously they'll stay out of ours cause they lack teh skillz. 

[grimlok 77]

Whoa

 

Guys what if

 

Guys

 

What if instead of removing 3pp we just

 

Guys listen

 

What if we just have separate 1pp/3pp hives?

 

Wait, we already have those? So why are people constantly bitching if they have the option to avoid those 3pp "scrubs"?

Oh thats right, their way is the only correct way to play.

No one argues about the correct way to play.  People are being forced to migrate to 3pp servers due to population.

[-Gews- 7443]

Look at EVERY game with vehicles, including racing games.. MOST of them have a 3rd person perspective WHILE in vehicles. Why? Because your single monitor cannot properly simulate all of the aspects of human vision and perspective that make it possible to drive "just like real life".

 

Well, serious driving in A3 works better in first person.

 

 

In vehicles with good visibility like the offroad you can even swivel your head around drive it backwards with full control. I don't think perspective is the issue with standalone driving.

No one argues about the correct way to play.  People are being forced to migrate to 3pp servers due to population.

 

A lot of people argue about the correct way to play. By the way, hop on experimental, the percentage of players who enter the 1st person experimental servers is THREE times that of stable. Ha.

 

[BCBasher 2465]

No one argues about the correct way to play.  People are being forced to migrate to 3pp servers due to population.

 

Not to throw around generalizations but from what I've experienced playing both 1pp and 1pp on 3pp servers we're playing (at least) two different forms of the game on average. As time goes on and things change the amount of servers will also change to have decent playerbases  for different styles of playing the same game and we'll hopefully all be able to find a "home". If this game pans out like it was advertised to me I think we'll lose a large amount of the "leet peeveepeeers" but gain a bunch of survival sim players and even out the 3pp/1pp player ratio.

 

I heard about this game when early access came out but waited quite awhile before paying to alpha test, lots of people are even more cautious than me with their gaming dollars and will wait until beta or release before they commit to this community.

[BeefBacon 1185]

Whoa

 

Guys what if

 

Guys

 

What if instead of removing 3pp we just

 

Guys listen

 

What if we just have separate 1pp/3pp hives?

 

Wait, we already have those? So why are people constantly bitching if they have the option to avoid those 3pp "scrubs"?

Oh thats right, their way is the only correct way to play.

 

1pp servers tend to be underpopulated. I hopped on experimental last night and the 3pp servers had 40+ players. The highest population on 1pp was 15.

 

Now you could argue that that's just customer demands, and you'd actually be right. 3pp is more popular than 1pp so more people play it. As someone who considers 1pp to be superior (though the gap between 1pp and 3pp is narrowing due to the new camera controls) I'm given a choice. Shall I play 1pp on a server that isn't even half full, or 3pp on a packed server?

 

Imagine you're up for a game of, I don't know, Counter-Strike and every server is a deathrun server or gun game. Is it fair to demand that everyone play CS unmodded? Of course not. What you're probably going to do is try and convince other people to maybe stop playing zombies or surf and maybe have a game on Office or Dust. Then imagine all the people turning around to tell you "u hav ur own servers" or "teh peopl hae spoken! people want gun game!"

 

The changes to 3pp are a push in the right direction. I daresay nobody has a problem with 3pp itself, the problem is with the exploits (and they are exploits) associated with 3pp. If the devs, by whatever means, manage to eradicate wall peeking and such you'll likely never see a "1pp vs 3pp" thread ever again.

[Pandema 352]

So, lemme get this straight.

 

People want 3pp to change to cater to 1pp players, because 1pp server player count is too low.

Now, if these people played on 1pp instead of "settling" for 3pp servers the player count of 1pp servers would go up.

 

 

Why are we having this conversation again?

[grimlok 77]

So, lemme get this straight.

 

People want 3pp to change to cater to 1pp players, because 1pp server player count is too low.

Now, if these people played on 1pp instead of "settling" for 3pp servers the player count of 1pp servers would go up.

 

 

Why are we having this conversation again?

Wrong, population is dictating for 1pp to play on 3pp but due to the exploitative wall peeking, 1pp players are at an extreme disadvantage so it's more to balance the game out so wall peekers can't have that huge advantage over those who still play 1pp on a 3pp server.

 

No one wants to remove your precious "must look at how pretty my character looks" view

Edited July 18, 2015 by leader.one

[raigprime 47]

i'd just like to ask. what's the point of having different colour vests? or backpacks? or jackets? what's the point of wearing a gas mask or shades? what's the point of having so many varieties of clothing options when you'd never see any of the stuff you picked out for your char if you only ever played in 1pp? 

 

call me vain. but i like being able to see what my char is wearing. i actually care about how my jacket looks with my vest and pants. i really enjoy the army look, but also hunter cammo and all black is great as well. hell, i'm currently playing a guy who is in search of all winter gear to go with a gas mask and pilot helm. for me, my gear doesn't simply mean a way to avoid detection in the bush.

 

so if i would never get to see my stuff, what's the point of having so many different choices out there? so OTHERS can see my choice of clothing/gear?

 

the only time i 1pp is when im shooting my weapon. that is the only time i like not seeing my guy. i like being able to look down the iron sights or scope to feel like im actually firing the gun. apart from that, i would rather see as much of my char as possible. 

 

but like you said, if the new camera removes wall peeking then that's all good. although the whole point of "unfair advantage" is that one party has access while the others don't, is clearly fixed by playing in 1pp only servers where nobody on the server can do any peeking of any kind.

 

 

The point of the myriad of clothing is so you can identify others. Distinguish your friends from strangers (i.e. potential threats). It's a great way for the Devs to facilitate this kind of thing for players instead of putting an immersion-breaking blue dot or name over your buddy's head. Not so you can be vain... by the way, per your request... you are vain.

 

 

But most 3PP players are already fine with immersion-breaking mechanics like... oh yeah, 3PP.