Any plans for 3PP immersion?

[raigprime 47]

Full disclosure; I admit that I am a frustrated 1PP player due to severely low pops on 1PP servers, making them less attractive even to me (and I WALK everywhere to increase the immersion - FYI: it's about 14 minutes from Kamyshovo to Elektro), unfortunately I absolutely cannot stand 3PP.

 

Before Dean left (actually before the Alpha dropped I believe), he was talking about modifying 3PP to make it less of an "exploit" in order to get the best of both worlds: players could see their characters, while making combat/spotting more realistic in a 3PP world.

 

I believe some of the thoughts at the time were:

• the faster your character moves the tighter the camera squeezes in
  
• the closer your character gets to a wall, etc., the camera also tightens
  
• when your character crouches and prones the camera zooms in progressively
  
• inventory menu would put you into 1PP (like ads)
  

 

I've seen the video in which characters in blind spots wouldn't render (and I believe the Devs responded that this is too intensive for the DayZ engine) but I'm not really interested in what they do, I'm more curious if they have any plans along these lines? I haven't seen anything to this effect in the road map and I'm curious if it's just something the Devs are no longer interested in now that Dean is gone?

 

I was hoping the last SurvivorGamez would have inspired more players to try 1PP servers but not even a blip. 1PP is increasingly becoming a "niche" for those people who want to play an apocalypse survival sim. Unfortunately for them it's also losing the threat of other players.

 

 

Knowing that 1PP players are in the vast minority I understand that something like this isn't a priority for Devs, but I believe that thinking along these lines might make 3PP a better experience for everyone.

 

SeeJayPee/RAIGPrime

 

[-Gews- 7443]

Nice thoughts but never gonna happen, too many people prefer the peekaboo mode. "Why do you care how other people play? You have your own servers". Gah...

 

 

and I WALK everywhere to increase the immersion - FYI: it's about 14 minutes from Kamyshovo to Elektro

[Weedz 1105]

TL;DR - Nope and there probably never will be.

 

 

Will never happen because the game is full of scrubs who want to be able to magically see around corners instead of getting better at the game and will use any excuse in the book to keep it and the more you point out how their excuses are ridiculous the more ridiculous their excuses get. And they threaten to quit even if you make it just a little less exploity.

 

Best one ever "3pp is more immersive and realistic".

 

My favorite ones are the ones who claim a shooter can't be played in 1pp.

 

 

If there was a server option to spawn in fully geared and not have any survival elements guess which would be the most popular servers.

 

Nerfing 3pp would have worked in the early days of the mod when it was a niche game where the whole idea behind it was Dean Hall wanted an old school game that kicks your ass and makes you shit your pants like we had back in the day but it's gotten to mainstream now. Funny thing is that's the reason the game got popular in the first place; it reminded people of old horror games where you had no idea what was going on, got genuinely scared while playing, and you died over and over and over and over and over until you got better at it. And then died some more. Now it is who can use a loot map and corner camp the best while just ignoring the horror part of the game and running around the zombies like they're not even there simulator. The zombie part might get fixed but the being able to see if there is any danger without putting yourself in danger so the game is actually scary part I won't hold my breath for.

 

Just look at epoch version of the mod. There are like 5x as many servers and players because you're fully geared with high-end military loot and enough food and drink to survive for a week after searching your 3rd building. People will always flock to the easiest way to play.

Edited February 11, 2015 by Weedz

[Rags! 1966]

It's only a shame that the fifty player private shard servers all seem to be 3PP...I never play in Private shards because of server hoppers ruining the gameplay. But I prefer 1PP...I just can't have everything, I suppose. 

 

 

...oh, well. 

[Munson_fry (DayZ) 312]

are the numbers of 1p players really decreasing ??? 

because i have the feeling of seeing more and more 1p players around.

[Deathlove 2286]

I prefer both modes of play.

[-Gews- 7443]

are the numbers of 1p players really decreasing ??? 

because i have the feeling of seeing more and more 1p players around.

 

Couple days ago I refreshed all servers within 250 ping, sorted by population and counted through the first 200 servers... 3PP servers dominated by a 20-1 ratio... and the most populated 1PP server had only 17 players on it. Whereas there were dozens of 50/50, 40/40 and 30/30 3PP. Sometimes it's not quite as bad... but it's always pretty bad.

[gibonez 3633]

Eventually they are going to have to look at the camera.

 

I would not be surprised if they eventually just do an in engine fog of war system that does not render what you can't in 3pp.

 

If it works anything like Project Zomboid it will make the entire game far more nerve racking.

 

On the upside it might bring some performance bonuses due to not having to render objects you can't see.

[BeaverProductions 441]

I used to play a lot of 1PP, still occasionally do, but the camera height made me feel like it was either in my crotch or I was 3 feet tall.  Also the heavy sex offender breathing was frustrating.

 

I think if they worked on 1PP a little it would attract some people back.

[Bororm 1156]

Love that this thread nicely demonstrates how 3pp is vastly more popular yet the people who don't like it want it changed...

 

Sorry your servers are empty, don't try to change mine though.  Advocate for a third option if you want, the more options the better.

[wasnu (DayZ) 392]

I used to play a lot of 1PP, still occasionally do, but the camera height made me feel like it was either in my crotch or I was 3 feet tall.  Also the heavy sex offender breathing was frustrating.

 

I think if they worked on 1PP a little it would attract some people back.

 

 

this, same thing here. 

If this is a bit patched i will always play 1ps servers

[Tatanko 5591]

The original post of this thread actually had some potential for discussion. Too bad this thread, like all others before it, will likely devolve into a flame war between people who feel really strongly one way or the other.

 

 

I play both. I like both. Can't we all get along?  :P

[hekp 223]

 

I play both. I like both.

[raigprime 47]

Love that this thread nicely demonstrates how 3pp is vastly more popular yet the people who don't like it want it changed...

Sorry your servers are empty, don't try to change mine though. Advocate for a third option if you want, the more options the better.

[sneakydudes 278]

It's only a shame that the fifty player private shard servers all seem to be 3PP...I never play in Private shards because of server hoppers ruining the gameplay. But I prefer 1PP...I just can't have everything, I suppose. 

 

 

...oh, well. 

You mean public server hopers don't you?

 

Private whitelisted servers frown on this. Maybe your not connecting to the correct server for your likes. I would recommend private to reduce the problems public has.

 

Maybe get rid of the kiddie scripters.

 

We don't want them, and that's why us private admins like to lock it down so its a fair game play for all. Unless you connect to one that is totally abusive to your game play.

 

Then your not connecting to the right ones.

[chompster 171]

Wow, those are actually some really solid ideas OP. Very nice. But sadly i also highly doubt we'll be seeing anything done to it. They know it sells _{to scrubs} so there's no reason not to remove it.

 

 

I prefer both modes of play.

 

 

 

I play both. I like both.

 

Congrats? how exactly does that add anything to the topic at hand?

[sneakydudes 278]

OP,

 

Its the players choice, so I don't think asking for changes is a good thing on 3pp because your bordem sets in on 1pp servers.

Admins set most servers to 1pp, 3pp because players have the ability to switch back and forth.

 

I get sick feeling if its not 3pp, do I use it to exploit well no because I use it the same as everyone else. Seeing over a wall, well that can be changed to left and right side angles drawing in closer.

That is not our faults as players we didn't program this.

 

So as players we use it any way possible to make sure we survive. Judging us for this, is not our faults as we utilize the tools given to us. So its not abusing the system.

 

but to say we need to change it no, adjustments to it yes.

[raigprime 47]

OP,

Its the players choice, so I don't think asking for changes is a good thing on 3pp because your bordem sets in on 1pp servers.

Admins set most servers to 1pp, 3pp because players have the ability to switch back and forth.

I get sick feeling if its not 3pp, do I use it to exploit well no because I use it the same as everyone else. Seeing over a wall, well that can be changed to left and right side angles drawing in closer.

That is not our faults as players we didn't program this.

So as players we use it any way possible to make sure we survive. Judging us for this, is not our faults as we utilize the tools given to us. So its not abusing the system.

but to say we need to change it no, adjustments to it yes.

[raigprime 47]

You missed the point. I'm not asking to have it changed. I'm asking if anyone has heard whether or not the Devs plan to make any changes. Big difference. I don't think for a moment the Devs will change anything to meet my preferences.

[Dagwood 680]

Just play in 1pp on 3pp servers like I have been lately. I also got bored with empty 1pp servers, so I recently made the switch to easy-core servers. It's amazing how bad 3pp players are. The camera is 8 feet off the ground so everyone sprints around like they're that tall. If you just slow down and creep a little, you can use their perspective against them.

3pp only being usable while not moving and standing up would be the easiest solution. But people want high K/D, not high tension. When zombies are properly implemented, 1pp will have its niche. Surviving the zombies with 3pp will be laughably easier than with 1pp.

"I see a zombie through this wall, better not peek around the corner" zombies can't/shouldn't peek around cover, therefore, your softcore wall peeking is an exploit. Boom roasted.

[Apollo'sFire 31]

[quote name="Dagwood" post="2215139" timestamp="1423675983" When zombies are properly implemented, 1pp will have its niche. Surviving the zombies with 3pp will be laughably easier than with 1pp.

"I see a zombie through this wall, better not peek around the corner" zombies can't/shouldn't peek around cover, therefore, your softcore wall peeking is an exploit. Boom roasted.

THIS^^

when zeds are fixed and persistence fixed, I know I will be playing a lot more 1pp

[roguetrooper 201]

I'd like to point at my signature.

[Deathlove 2286]

Congrats? how exactly does that add anything to the topic at hand?

Its showing support for both 3PP and 1P how hard is it to understand that? Its not flaming its just merely supporting both.

[charlieatlas 2]

Valid points in this thread for both 1pp and 1pp/3pp servers. Personally, I'd like to see only 1pp as the immersion is palpable. To get back to the original post - adjustments are probably the only way BI may go (eventually), but don't hold your breath on that.

[zeotrope 76]

The only way to properly gauge how 1PP servers would fair in popularity is to force 1PP on all players in a build. Say, .54, all players could only see in 1PP. I wonder if DayZ would lose players....or would the current player base adapt ? I'd love to see a trial like this. I think it would change gameplay for the better. This 'tomb raider" style camera, in my opinion, ruins immersion.