Lead Producer of DayZ says, "1PP is better"

[BeaverProductions 441]

This topic is right up there with "What is the better colour, Red or Blue?"

BLUE

 

You red idiots are all liking a casual colour.

 

BLUE FTW

[Evil Minion 943]

He does not say "1PP is better". What he says is that the implications of not having a third person perspective (read: peeking) has a lot of positive implications on gameplay.

 

If they addressed the peeking issue third person servers would offer the same possibilities. The only advantage first person actually has is peeking being much easier to fix.

[DocWolf 146]

wait.. why are you at a disadvantage?

 

Because his friends play on 3rd person servers, and he play in those server too...but only using 1st person. So, people playing on 3rd person server using 3rd person and 1st person have an unfair advantage over people playing on 3rd person server using 1st person only.

 

EDIT: that's what I understood, anyway. Not sure if that's the actual issue or if i misunderstood something

Edited November 24, 2014 by DocWolf

[rickyriot 1009]

Ok, guys, just a quick heads up. I know Hicks is a producer, not a programmer, and thought I had amended the title when I first spotted my mistake. I certainly amended the text, but clearly just didn't submit the edited post. I'll change that. However, his actual position is a bit irrelevant for the point I am making, he has quite a large voice in the development of the game and his opinions will be listened to.

 

Clearly the "removing the 3PP" is joking, but it seems that many lack a sense of humour, what Hicks' words do demonstrate though is that the devs recognise the benefits provided to the gameplay while in 1PP mode, thus for those of us who much prefer this viewpoint but accept there are flaws associated with it; such as ratio of player compared to environment, camera position, interaction with windows and ledges, etc, it can be seen as a positive towards fixing those issues.

Edited November 24, 2014 by ricp

[rickyriot 1009]

People may believe that this topic content / proposition has no value and is troll, or OP has less than zero understanding of the English language, both assumptions are incorrect.

The edited OP states...

"Clearly this is a bit of banter. 3PP is going nowhere, but it is good to see the devs hold 1PP playstyle in such high regard, hopefully meaning that they will start to look at solving some of the problems associated with that viewpoint."

 

It is in fact an appreciation, the trouble comes when people start insulting each other over the age old 3rd Vs 1st person debate, which is not considered by myself or the Devs (for that matter) a worthy debate .

 

Thank you. You seem to be one of the few that have actually seen this thread for what it is. As a forum admin you will be able to see the edit history and see that the final line was added immediately after posting (2:17/2:18 server time). The edited time has now changed as I amended the title to reflect the Producer/Programmer issue.

 

For those who think this is hardcore players lauding it over 3PP players then you are being a bit paranoid. The thread is all about a significant member of the development recognising what 1PP brings to the game and as such offers hope to us 1PP players who wish for this viewpoint to be improved in some areas.

 

Ok, the title is a touch "tongue in cheek", but come on people, turn that frown upside down. ;)

Edited November 24, 2014 by ricp

[Jex 1104]

" I think most 1pp advocates believe that if you want to make a realistic game then anything unrealistic should be removed."

like the ability to magically heal broken bones instantly with a stick and a couple rags? or rummaging through your pack, pulling things out, organizing and shuffling stuff around.. while sprinting? or taking a shot gun blast to the face the drinking a soda and eating a can of peaches to fully heal yourself?

let's leave the "realism" out of the 1pp/3pp debate huh?

 

But most people think the things you've just listed should be changed. Leaving "realism" out of the debate is only relevant if DayZ is not striving towards realism - is it?

[BeefBacon 1185]

I think a common misconception is that all 1pp advocates want 3pp banned. While some do, I think I speak for most of us when I say that the issue is in wall peeking, not the perspective itself. The perspective is what makes wall peeking possible, however, which is what leads many to call for its removal.

 

If wall peeking could be removed while keeping 3pp I'd have no problem it. It seems to me, however, that the vast majority of people who like 3pp defend it so they can continue wall peeking, the same way many people are hesitant to join private shards because doing so would reduce their ability to server hop.

 

So, again, if it was possible to keep 3pp while abolishing wall peeking then I imagine the 3pp vs 1pp debate would be over. How such a goal can be achieved I have no idea, but a few suggestions have been floating around - the fourth wall mod for Arma 3 being a popular one.

[skypig 139]

But most people think the things you've just listed should be changed. Leaving "realism" out of the debate is only relevant if DayZ is not striving towards realism - is it?

realism vs authenticity... that's a whole other debate.

... and apologies if I came off sounding a bit uppity in that last reply lol

[Jex 1104]

realism vs authenticity... that's a whole other debate.

... and apologies if I came off sounding a bit uppity in that last reply lol

 

I'm not sure I see a difference. Even authenticity wouldn't make a good argument for a view that isn't even authentic since the 3pp doesn't come close to either word. But I think it's more to do with the game itself.

 

DayZ originally started as a lose everything, gritty hard game of survival. In keeping with this, do we really need crutches? A helping hand on a game that's meant to be hard diminishes the overall game. I like looking at my avatar as well but I much prefer the 1st person view because it puts me in my virtual body. Occasionally I'll jump when a zombie unexpectedly jumps me which I wouldn't get in 3rd person. If prefer to play 1st person but on a 3pp server that severely goes against you.

 

The experience in 1st person is more intense - if someone starts shooting at me I run for cover. I don't know where the shot came from but I need to look to see if I can see him. The thing is, when I peek out to take a look, I'm imagining a guy with a scoped rifle looking for me to peek. When you don't know where the shooter is, each time you expose yourself your expecting a bullet in the face.

 

If 3rd person I get behind cover and completely safe and use the overhead cam. All the adrenaline is dispensed as I safely sit behind cover scanning the terrain. This isn't the experience I want in DayZ because there's too many games out there that cater for easy mode - DayZ was one of those games that had the balls to say "Fuck you and die asshole!" and it laughed in your face when you did. It didn't care that you cried loosing your rangefinder and NVG's - it drank your tears and then spat them back in your face ;)

[svisketyggeren 662]

Players calling for a ban of 3rd person clearly dont understand that u will cripple half of the Dayz playerbase...which again means slower development. Use ur brain for more than 3 seconds and u will come to the same conclusion.

 

3rd person should stay as it is, it serves it purpose for those that enjoy it. Removing wall peeking is the same as removing 3rd person...they are the same. U cant fix 3rd person..it is what it is.

 

The only downside to having 3rd and 1st seperated is that there are alot of player I never get to meet up with in game.....but thats not really that important, because the more ppl Dayz can accommodate the better game it will be.

 

Sincerly a 1st person player.

Edited November 24, 2014 by svisketyggeren

[doctorbadsign 645]

I wish people would make more 1pp servers. There really aren't enough.

[Karmaterror 982]

You know whats funny.....its always the 1pp players kicking up a fuss, he never said it was "better", he said it was more immersive (agreed) and even acknowledged that a large part of 1pp is how it effects other players. That's the safety net that 1pp offers, personally I don't want all my opponents views restricted. I want them peeking and spotting me early, making my life as hard as possible.

 

Maybe 1pp players should learn to not cave to the pressure of there friends or learn to own the choices they make. If you choose to play somewhere you don't want to because your friends play there....I sorry but time to grow up...."sry m8 im gonna play this server....feel free to join if ya want" should be your reply and play the way YOU want to. If you choose to join a 3pp server, own that choice. If you got peeked on and killed tough shit, YOU....no one else.....made the choice to select a 3pp server. Its not a problem with the view, or the way players use it, its a problem with your choice.

 

If you cba choosing the correct environment for you then maybe you should just DEAL WITH IT :P

 

Ahh now that's outa my system yeah, I hope they do fix the inherent problems with 1pp, I use it whenever I in combat or using melee. In fact its rare that im in 3pp till iv dubbed myself "out of danger". I see 3pp for using while running round, for taking in the scenery, admiring the gear you collected and as a valuable story telling tool. There are reasons some games choose 3pp as the only viewpoint, admittedly most are singleplayer. This is one of the games that can flawlessly blend the use of both views and that's a good thing for bringing people together and getting more players ingame total. Not to mention people who don't like FPS games can still enjoy dayz :) 

[Jex 1104]

You know whats funny.....its always the 1pp players kicking up a fuss, he never said it was "better", he said it was more immersive (agreed) and even acknowledged that a large part of 1pp is how it effects other players. That's the safety net that 1pp offers, personally I don't want all my opponents views restricted. I want them peeking and spotting me early, making my life as hard as possible.

 

Maybe 1pp players should learn to not cave to the pressure of there friends or learn to own the choices they make. If you choose to play somewhere you don't want to because your friends play there....I sorry but time to grow up...."sry m8 im gonna play this server....feel free to join if ya want" should be your reply and play the way YOU want to. If you choose to join a 3pp server, own that choice. If you got peeked on and killed tough shit, YOU....no one else.....made the choice to select a 3pp server. Its not a problem with the view, or the way players use it, its a problem with your choice.

 

If you cba choosing the correct environment for you then maybe you should just DEAL WITH IT :P

 

Ahh now that's outa my system yeah, I hope they do fix the inherent problems with 1pp, I use it whenever I in combat or using melee. In fact its rare that im in 3pp till iv dubbed myself "out of danger". I see 3pp for using while running round, for taking in the scenery, admiring the gear you collected and as a valuable story telling tool. There are reasons some games choose 3pp as the only viewpoint, admittedly most are singleplayer. This is one of the games that can flawlessly blend the use of both views and that's a good thing for bringing people together and getting more players ingame total. Not to mention people who don't like FPS games can still enjoy dayz :)

 

Who here is kicking up a fuss?

[Karmaterror 982]

Who here is kicking up a fuss?

 

Making an infamitory thread entitled "even dayz devs think 1pp is better" is blatently pouring fuel on the fire. The threads always start with a 1pp player bashing 3pp.....link me one thread where a 3pp player bashes 1pp as the OP....just one.

 

PS I know it was a bit tongue in cheek, but really was just another jab by a 1pp player......getting mighty old....

[doctorbadsign 645]

If you can afford to do so, get a TrackIR...

 

Then 1PP really is way way better. DayZ/Arma with TrackIR is so immersive and fun.

[Tatanko 5591]

Who here is kicking up a fuss?

The OP, with his troll of a title.

[gibonez 3633]

I wonder why some people are so dramatic when talking about the removal of 3pp.

If they did the unlikely thing and removed 3pp for the sake of gameplay the world would not burn.

No people would not stop playing

No sales would not stop

Just like all things people should adapt.

Sure some will rage but in a month or two all will be back to normal.

Still unlikely though

[Tatanko 5591]

I wonder why some people are so dramatic when talking about the removal of 3pp.

If they did the unlikely thing and removed 3pp for the sake of gameplay the world would not burn.

No people would not stop playing

No sales would not stop

Just like all things people should adapt.

Sure some will rage but in a month or two all will be back to normal.

Still unlikely though

The only ones being dramatic about it are the very people being elitists about 1PP. Notice how they start Every. Single. Thread. About. The. Topic. No one ever complains that 3PP should be the only choice, do they?

As for your other comments: no, the world would not burn. But yes, there would be a SHARP drop in the number of players as evidenced by the fact that 3PP is way more popular among the general player base. Don't even try and argue with me on that, it's an easily-verifiable fact independent of anyone's opinion.

[chompster 171]

The only ones being dramatic about it are the very people being elitists about 1PP. Notice how they start Every. Single. Thread. About. The. Topic. No one ever complains that 3PP should be the only choice, do they?

As for your other comments: no, the world would not burn. But yes, there would be a SHARP drop in the number of players as evidenced by the fact that 3PP is way more popular among the general player base. Don't even try and argue with me on that, it's an easily-verifiable fact independent of anyone's opinion.

It's only way more popular because people have the option to play with it. Remove it and eventually most of those will come back anyway to play the game.

 

But that of course that won't ever happen simply because the devs know 3PP attracts a lot of peasents scrubs noobs EZmoders players that need in-game wall hacks players that like that mode. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot which they aren't stupid enough to do.

Edited November 24, 2014 by Chompster

[Irish. 4886]

Edit: source

 

~snip~

 

Agreed, 1pp is better. Its more immersive, and more challenging.. thus better. :)

 

Edited November 24, 2014 by lrish

[Jex 1104]

Making an infamitory thread entitled "even dayz devs think 1pp is better" is blatently pouring fuel on the fire. The threads always start with a 1pp player bashing 3pp.....link me one thread where a 3pp player bashes 1pp as the OP....just one.

 

PS I know it was a bit tongue in cheek, but really was just another jab by a 1pp player......getting mighty old....

 

 

The OP, with his troll of a title.

 

OK so did both of you fail to read the the original post in this thread where he says he was joking? Presumably neither of you know what a joke is and are kicking up a fuss here when nobody else is.

 

We're not talking about other threads, we're talking about this thread :)

[Jex 1104]

The only ones being dramatic about it are the very people being elitists about 1PP. Notice how they start Every. Single. Thread. About. The. Topic. No one ever complains that 3PP should be the only choice, do they?

 

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from here. Nobody is going to complain to have the option of a harder mode in a game, are they now? You're drawing an entirely unfair comparison here.

 

A more accurate representation would be if the 3rd person cam in the SA only looked back on the player and the player couldn't move or shoot or interact. If it was like I can bet you people would be demanding the "return" of "how it was like in the mod"

[gibonez 3633]

As for your other comments: no, the world would not burn. But yes, there would be a SHARP drop in the number of players as evidenced by the fact that 3PP is way more popular among the general player base. Don't even try and argue with me on that, it's an easily-verifiable fact independent of anyone's opinion.

While that's a reasonable theory I still doubt there would be a drop.

Even those players still adapt.

They still be kicking and screaming but they would adapt

[Karmaterror 982]

OK so did both of you fail to read the the original post in this thread where he says he was joking? Presumably neither of you know what a joke is and are kicking up a fuss here when nobody else is.

 

We're not talking about other threads, we're talking about this thread :)

 

I did say I know it was a bit tongue in cheek......but ricp has been around long enough to know exactly where it would lead.

 

I am just tired of the endless excuses why they must play on 3pp servers when 1pp servers exist...hence 3pp must be changed for people that like 1pp....but for some reason join 3pp servers.....see what I mean.... only kids use excuses like "because my friends are there" I mean really....to quote a film...."yeah you must do what your friends think is best, because hey, these are the people that are going to make decisions for you for the rest of your life....right?"

 

Alls I see is bitching and moaning about something that's mute......both partis can play how they like....If you went to a sports centre and rented a tennis court.....you wouldn't expect the squash players to come and have a game there then moan about the court provided not suiting there needs. Rent a damn squash court if that's what you want to play....its that simple. Neither view is better, they are just different.

[Tatanko 5591]

It's only way more popular because people have the option to play with it.

You don't see the irony in this statement at all, do you?

 

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from here. Nobody is going to complain to have the option of a harder mode in a game, are they now? You're drawing an entirely unfair comparison here.

I'm not discussing the merits of each, merely pointing out who it is that brings up the topic all the time. It wasn't really intended to be a comparison of any kind.

 

They still be kicking and screaming but they would adapt

So why remove it then? Why not just leave it so people can be happy and enjoy the game as they wish? I just don't see any logic in pissing off a huge chunk of people to please a very small percentage of players.