Experimental Branch: 0.51 Discussion

[ChainReactor 922]

Guys, this is the first iteration of cannibalism. Let's just see where the road will lead us.

 

I for myself would like if it would have a high chance of negatively influencing your gaming. That would really make it the last resort before starving. Not for realism purposes, but for gameplay purposes. Think you're desperate enough to take massive sway due to shaking, blurry vision, maybe even hallucinations or phantom sounds ( oh wait lol ) ? Go ahead and eat that dude.

 

I don't think it will stay a regular way to get food, and neither do i want it to be like that.

[lmstr 11]

I think the cannibalism implementation will be fine as long as it has substantial negative consequences once it goes to stable... if its realistic getting Kuru should be fatal eventually and a low chance per consumption maybe 5-10% in cooked food and up to 25% in raw.  Shakes would be good...make it nearly impossible to shoot a weapon straight....bandits aren't going to want to eat stuff that makes it hard to hunt for more.  I'd be more concerned about people skinning and force feeding others... but like previous posts vicious stuff is already going on to people that get captured...so nothing new really happening... once your captured by another player you are already dead, if you make it out alive..even if mangled / sick / naked / ect, its a win... some would argue that at that point you would rather be dead so you could respawn... but the game is survival, when you die you lose.

[ChainReactor 922]

...bandits aren't going to want to eat stuff that makes it hard to hunt for more

 

Ah this gave me another idea:

 

Once you have a brain disease, the nutritional value of normal food is reduced by the factor of 4 ( numbers may vary ) - That would be a "once a cannibal, always a cannibal" concept where you can only get out really hard from. That would make your decision to eat another player even more of a long term decision.

 

Again, this is an idea in terms of gameplay, not realism.

Edited November 15, 2014 by ChainReactor

[odin_lowe 3686]

I do see your point i just feel your comparison was very extreme, but i fail to understand how you can support this game in any form if this is your view as you say it is since this game allows you to do things which in my opinion are a lot worse then eating others. Also the basic gist of this common debate is that some people may reenact what they see in a video game and i personally think this is utter bullshit.

 

If someone does something violent or morally wrong then it is due to a lot of things that have happened to them in their life, video games probably accounting for 0.001 percent if any of their thought process, i think the argument that video games can make bad behavior acceptable is nonsense just the same way as watching movies would not make that same bad behavior acceptable, i hear no uproar about violence in films yet so much about video games, enacting rape in a video game is bad most people with your opinion would say but yet it is shown in full hd glory in many films so where are the boundaries set and what does it apply to, just video games or more.

 

Also you did not really get to my point in your reply, are there not far worse things you can do to people while they are alive in this game then simply eating them when they are dead and do you think these are also bad additions to the game ??

 

Should handcuffing and force feeding people be removed as well ??

 

Should killing people with certain weapons like screwdrivers be removed or are these fine ??

 

Should stripping people naked while they are unconscious be removed ?

 

Should shooting people be removed all together ??

 

What would we be left with, the Sims, these are the reasons dayz is such a good game and i honestly think if cannibalism belongs in ANY game out there, THIS is the game it belongs in.

As much as i try i just can not understand how you would think cannibalism is a bad addition to the game and yet approve of so many worse things.

I understand what you mean, but I didn't ask in any way to remove any features. I started by saying that I disliked that feature. Did it stopped me from playing the game? Of course not! I agree with you that only in very few occasions was video games a factor in crimes or acts of violence.

Anyway, I don't want to derail anymore.

 

I agree still, this is the game where "anything" would be possible and push back the boundaries of what we can do to survive!

Edited November 15, 2014 by Odin Lowe

[odin_lowe 3686]

All this hullabaloo about Cannibalism , seriously ? ,,,, anyone remember Fallout ? ,,, dont just sit n stare at the floor , i know you do ....  that had parties of hunters running around selling people kebobs as " the sweetest meat you've ever tasted" and it didnt make anyone outside of the game bat an eye lash over it. Granted it did effect your characters alignment and no one wanted to come over for supper or share your toothbrush when they stayed the night  but that was about the extent of it.

 

True! I still remember this and gotta say I love Fallout! My only problem with it really is that it's "players" you kill, skin and eat, and not NPC/AI in some fantastic futuristic post nuclear apocalypse world. It's probably just the context surrounding it that makes me cringe teeth a little. ( And maybe because it came just after we saw cannibals in WD... random events? Maybe. A prison in WD? Let's put a prison in DayZ! :P  I find it funny that's all. I don't mind it that much.)

 

On a side note too, the Derringer is pretty good, but the recoil is intense!! I was surprised at first. But just look at it! Fashion! :D

[slippery gypsy 107]

cannabalism was in 2017 mod no one cared then ...cannabalism is a fundamental survival staple happens through countless species ...

[-MadTommy 367]

So the lack of 1st person servers is intentional, right?  Does anyone know the reason for this?

[Gubbjeveln 18]

A propo cannibalism.

 

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1623148/corpse-eaters-give-pakistans-lawmakers-something-chew

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/cannibalism-trial-begins-brazil-trio-article-1.2010422

 

"Three people charged with killing at least two women, eating parts of their bodies and using their flesh to make and sell stuffed pastries went on trial Thursday in northeastern Brazil."

 

Reality is always worse than ones most horrifing fantasy.

 

But I do not promote this cannibalism in game. If it will be inplemented it should bear severe consequenses for the cannibal, all kinds of deases and loosing the abilities to interact normally. Seeing ghosts, laughing/crying and such.

 

My theory is that this is thrown in as to get DayZ on frontpages in media, so there will be more ppl downloding it = money. Also this is the reason for beeing no 1pp servers up, making it easier for the mass to roam around and feel like "home", for those used to pew pew games.

 

But what do I know?

Edited November 15, 2014 by Gubbjeveln

[archamedes 238]

When a 24hr persistance server has been looted, and food/drink becomes low & canniblism is an option then yeah. Sounds good. You capture a couple of annoying players who just wont leave you alone and relentlessly chase you with an axe til your friends arrive... then yeah. Kill one and feed his friend the remains. However just like others saying how eating human meat should come with negative effects, yes I also agree. I think you should get the shakes for a while & I do hope they introduce infections in game, like getting hit by a zombie causes you to get infected and randomly start coughing like you did in the mod, Until you found antibiotics. (Tainted meat, you all are stupid pricks I been bitten) Even have it so that there will always be a 25% chance of getting an infection from human meat regardless of them being sick or not anyway.

[skoms 86]

The first thing i did after 0,51 was to find a humen to skin and eat. I knew i had a 80% chance to get food poisoning by eating raw human meat, but i did not care. I just wanted to eat that Bambi. And it tasted delicious.

 

Later i went for the store to buy myself dinner in real life. Not once i thought about getting human meat. In fact i did not buy meat at all.

 

So i guess its possible to have two different personalities. One in the fantasy world of gaming, and one in real life. I like the idea of cannibalism in the game, and hopefully the moral police will be ignored by the game developers. Everyone is titled to their opinions of course, but if you boil this down to reality its very simple. You can easily choose not to skin and eat the guy you killed if you don't like that stuff. So there is no need for anyone to want this out of the game. If you don't like it, don't do it, but don't try to force others over to your side.   

Edited November 15, 2014 by skoms

[archamedes 238]

The fact is Real violence opposed to gaming violence is inconclusive. The media like to put a spin on it claiming it played its part, but it comes down to the fact that anyone who goes out and kills would do it regardless. Some behavioral scientist on tv once said that by making these assumptions that the two are connected is foolish, its no different than saying that males who drink coffee are more prone to domestic violence because everyone who has beaten a spouse has been known to drink it. Its just inconclusive. Before video games, people would blame TV, before that they would blame books. I mean come on, what excuse do they have for the romans? I'm sure GTA 5 had no impact on them.

 

That guy that shot up the virginia tech university was photographed holding 2 guns out with leather fingerless gloves and the pose was very similer to the early tomb raider games. The media went batshit saying "video games were responsible" Yet he never owned a console or even a single pc game for that matter. The colombine killers who shot a load of school kids, they had doom on their pc..... So that must have been the reason right? No, they were fucked in the head and went ape shit.

[blackberrygoo 1416]

I agree , video games aren't the devil , it's the stupid peoples decision to carry out any sick type of act whether it was observered from a video game , a movie , or real life. If they are twisted enough to do something bad they will do it eventually, regardless of if a video game is doing it .

[pillpopper123 41]

Has the new Battle-eye stopped Overwolf and Steam onscreen FPS overlay's from working?, anyone else getting this?... :)

[al-97 9]

How does it reduce the chance of friendly encounters, this is biggest pile of horse shit i have ever heard.

 

'I was'nt going to kill you but now i can eat you i guess i will.'

 

Like wise, 'i was going to kill you but because i can't eat you i guess i will be friendly'.

 

NO, these thought processes are made up, if your a bandit you are a bandit, if your a good person who does not kill people then you will be a good person that does not kill people, pretty damn simple, if you are good then having another pair of hands with you to look for food is better then killing and eating them and if your a bandit, well then you are already too stupid to figure that out.

 

This crap about it reducing friendly encounter is exactly that, a load of crap and it needs to stop.

Behaviour of the players is dictated by the game design. If they're given an M4 they will potentially shoot it sooner or later, if they are given the ability to craft improvised backpack they will make it, if they are given the ability to cook and eat human meat - they will do it. You already can see this type of behaviour on experimental servers, which were much friendlier place than the stable ones until now.

 

Your behaviour on the other hand is quite aggressive and not polite to say the least. I advise you to stop it and contribute to a discussion in a polite and a constructive manner.

[anotherdeadhero 71]

Behaviour of the players is dictated by the game design. If they're given an M4 they will potentially shoot it sooner or later, if they are given the ability to craft improvised backpack they will make it, if they are given the ability to cook and eat human meat - they will do it. You already can see this type of behaviour on experimental servers, which were much friendlier place than the stable ones until now.

 

Your behaviour on the other hand is quite aggressive and not polite to say the least. I advise you to stop it and contribute to a discussion in a polite and a constructive manner.

You are so wrong, behavior is 'limited' by the game design, not dictated. The difference between these two words are quite huge. One example of this would be the original arma 2 game and what it became with the original mod, these were two vastly different games and created some hugely different behavior, behavior you just could not get with the the original game, not because that was dictated to the players by the game designers but because that was the limits of what the player could do with the original game.

 

You see your problem is addressing these people as 'they' as if they are some separate entity to you,almost talking down on them, why don't you use we and us or do you not class yourself as part of that group you address as 'they'. If i give you a gun in real life will you go and shoot someone with it, if i tell you that you can eat other people are you now going to eat other people because that is exactly what you are saying, if someone can do something then they will do it.

 

Dayz is a nonlinear game, you are given choices but in NO WAY are you forced to take advantage of them, this game is not a dictatorship, in no way is it 'dictated' to you to do something you do not want to, this game is not linear, you can put a 1000 hours into this game and never eat another human if that is what YOU want to do.

 

Also i do not have to be polite and i will not be polite to someone who lies or say something that does not make logical sense. You are lying about experimental being less friendly, literally lying through your teeth, first of all there is no graph or statistic to show that this is the case and second of all you are claiming that an extra feature which is completely optional would change the way someone plays the game and i just think that is a load of rubbish, i certainly will not go around killing and eating people just because it is in the game, i am not a sheep.

 

So you are basically saying you are a sheep??.

[d0pesen 17]

... if they are given the ability to cook and eat human meat - they will do it. 

me as a freshspawn hunted by other survivors with machetes because they want to eat me before dying of hunger and not just killing me for fun, will be an awesome experinece.

 

can't wait joing this evening experimental.

[slippery gypsy 107]

A propo cannibalism.

 

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1623148/corpse-eaters-give-pakistans-lawmakers-something-chew

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/cannibalism-trial-begins-brazil-trio-article-1.2010422

 

"Three people charged with killing at least two women, eating parts of their bodies and using their flesh to make and sell stuffed pastries went on trial Thursday in northeastern Brazil."

 

Reality is always worse than ones most horrifing fantasy.

 

But I do not promote this cannibalism in game. If it will be inplemented it should bear severe consequenses for the cannibal, all kinds of deases and loosing the abilities to interact normally. Seeing ghosts, laughing/crying and such.

 

My theory is that this is thrown in as to get DayZ on frontpages in media, so there will be more ppl downloding it = money. Also this is the reason for beeing no 1pp servers up, making it easier for the mass to roam around and feel like "home", for those used to pew pew games.

 

But what do I know?

cannabalism is not new to dayz 

[OrLoK 16185]

 

Also i do not have to be polite and i will not be polite to someone who lies or say something that does not make logical sense. 

Hello there

 

You DO have to be polite.

 

We dont mind arguments we do mind insults etc.

 

If you see a forum member to his trolling/blatant falsehoods/being rude etc what you need to do is "Report" them and let us deal with it. Its what we are here for.

 

Carry on.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[pillpopper123 41]

Has the new Battle-eye stopped Overwolf and Steam onscreen FPS overlay's from working?, anyone else getting this?...  :)

 

I have posted this again cause my EXP question gets lost in the crap/arguments people post that have nothing to do with bugs etc...

Edited November 15, 2014 by PILLPOPPER

[anotherdeadhero 71]

Hello there

 

You DO have to be polite.

 

We dont mind arguments we do mind insults etc.

 

If you see a forum member to his trolling/blatant falsehoods/being rude etc what you need to do is "Report" them and let us deal with it. Its what we are here for.

 

Carry on.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

I understand that, but i hope i am not insulting anyone, just sharing my point of view, granted it is on the extreme end of the spectrum but it is an opinion none the less.

 

Has the new Battle-eye stopped Overwolf and Steam onscreen FPS overlay's from working?, anyone else getting this?...  :)

 

I have posted this again cause my EXP question gets lost in the crap/arguments people post that have nothing to do with bugs etc...

That's because this is not the place to post about bugs, this is a discussion about the new experimental update and the things in it, which is what we are doing. 

 

Have you searched the bug tracker yet ?

[pillpopper123 41]

 

 

That's because this is not the place to post about bugs, this is a discussion about the new experimental update and the things in it, which is what we are doing. 

 

Have you searched the bug tracker yet ?

I didn't post a bug here, I asked a question about the new Battle-eye that came with 0.51.

If no one else has this problem then it's my end and there's no need to report it.

Edited November 15, 2014 by PILLPOPPER

[doctorwhy 157]

I hope they implement the shakes and the uncontrollable laughing and crying if you even eat the cooked human meat.

 

Wobo has all the sound effects:

[OrLoK 16185]

I understand that, but i hope i am not insulting anyone, just sharing my point of view, granted it is on the extreme end of the spectrum but it is an opinion none the less.

 

 

Hello there

 

Its a little too aggressive, opinion or not. reign it it a tad and everyone will be happy.

 

No more public discussion on it please, move onwards and upwards.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[Exorade 214]

I hope they implement the shakes and the uncontrollable laughing and crying if you even eat the cooked human meat.

 

"Because moral punishment", right? You can only contract kreutzfeldt-jacobs disease from eating human brain and kuru if you eat contaminated human flesh, but for that you should be in Papua new-Guinea and go back in time about thirty years because that's when the last known person died of it. Otherwise human meat works basically like any other meat, you can catch all kinds of diseases if you eat it raw.

 

It's realistic.

[Kirby12352 67]

I don't really get why people think that eating one piece of human meat would give you shakes and uncontrollable laughter. I can understand that if we're looking for some way to deter people from only hunting humans to eat, but if it's realism we're going for, that's not really realistic.