smoq2 221 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) The question is :What do I have to do on a server where it's raining on a clod evening ? Sit in a shelter and jerk off ? In real life I would have no choice because I have no log off option, I'll just have to suffer some boredom, but I don't play games to do boring things. So here is the question, what is there to with adverse weather effect and limited running due to over heating ? Eat some food, cook a spare steak, read one of the in-game books, prepare a fishing rod, dry your clothes, clean your gun, mend your ruined shirt, check the map, do some planning... Generally use the time to prepare for going further. It's called immersion, and contradictory to popular belief, many players classify that as fun. Also, don't assume that you can do all those things within a minute, because currently using a sawing kit is just drag and drop, it might not be in the future. Edited September 2, 2014 by retro19 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blacklabel79 949 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) Sit in a shelter and jerk off ? read a book... "but, but blacklabel, i dont like books. Last book i read was in School and i hated it" *slap*, blame your parents for not teaching you the beaty of the written word and the multiverses you could explore while simply...reading a book... or just alt+tab and do as you suggested... Edited September 2, 2014 by {Core}BlackLabel 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
umberfive 89 Posted September 2, 2014 read a book...A pron book... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blacklabel79 949 Posted September 2, 2014 A pron book... Why does noone write PORN...alas iam sad that the literature of Marquis de Sade isent in the game...ist whould be perfect... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
umberfive 89 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) Why does noone write PORN...alas iam sad that the literature of Marquis de Sade isent in the game...ist whould be perfect...I didn't want my post deleted for obscene language. Although... The internets for porn, for porn, for porn... Edited September 2, 2014 by umberfive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Zod 1114 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) Eat some food, cook a spare steak, read one of the in-game books, prepare a fishing rod, dry your clothes, clean your gun, mend your ruined shirt, check the map, do some planning... Generally use the time to prepare for going further. It's called immersion, and contradictory to popular belief, many players classify that as fun. Also, don't assume that you can do all those things within a minute, because currently using a sawing kit is just drag and drop, it might not be in the future.1. Sure eat and cook, done in 2 minutes or less2. Starting a game to read a book, when the day come when I read books in games not in real like I'll ask someone to shoot me3. I'd rather hunt than fish4. Cleaning a gun ? You mean drag a cleaning set to the gun only to see - mosin is pristine and doesn't need to be cleaned ?5. Mending shirts takes total of 1 second6. I know map well enough7. Planning does not take much either So if I take my time we are looking at 5-10 minutes, not much. And while it might not in the future, I am bored right here right now not in 6 months. By no means I'm whining, but in this game there is not much to do to fill the idle time. See if they make cleaning guns, mending clothes take time it will make a huge difference, but now they take seconds. Edited September 2, 2014 by General Zod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blacklabel79 949 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) See if they make cleaning guns, mending clothes take time it will make a huge difference, but now they take seconds. I like how the game "the Long dark" uses time it takes to find Wood, eat, boil water...ect... Altho such a System is not feasable for a serverbased game like DayZ...( or i just cant think of any right now, i mean....looking at my char trying to fix his drenched socks with some ductape and pliers might be fun...but only the first 2 times i guess ) Introducing taking more time to do certain Tasks should be object to carefull consideration and balancing. How Long does it take to ment a Shirt ? ( obviously..it takes longer the more degraded it is ) and so on...could be Happening for alot of things... Edited September 2, 2014 by {Core}BlackLabel 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoik 415 Posted September 2, 2014 The question is :What do I have to do on a server where it's raining on a clod evening ? Sit in a shelter and jerk off ? In real life I would have no choice because I have no log off option, I'll just have to suffer some boredom, but I don't play games to do boring things. So here is the question, what is there to with adverse weather effect and limited running due to over heating ? It all depends on what state your player is in - I spawned in and it was pouring down, but I had to find something to eat so I couldn't stay put. I had to run from house to tree to house looking for food, my need to eat drove me to risk the rain and cold - I ended up running to the next small town in the rain where I found something to eat and some warm cloths and a rain coat... and I was pretty much set. If you character is more "late game" you have no real excuse for avoiding going out in bad weather - besides bad luck (not finding the item you need, or it gets ruined by zombies or bullets), it is just laziness or stupidity to have gotten that far without giving any forethought to what you will do if it rains... Adapt and do what you have to to survive, pretty simple... if you decide that the best thing to do is wait out a storm inside, then do it. Or don't, its completely up to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Zod 1114 Posted September 2, 2014 It all depends on what state your player is in - I spawned in and it was pouring down, but I had to find something to eat so I couldn't stay put. I had to run from house to tree to house looking for food, my need to eat drove me to risk the rain and cold - I ended up running to the next small town in the rain where I found something to eat and some warm cloths and a rain coat... and I was pretty much set. If you character is more "late game" you have no real excuse for avoiding going out in bad weather - besides bad luck (not finding the item you need, or it gets ruined by zombies or bullets), it is just laziness or stupidity to have gotten that far without giving any forethought to what you will do if it rains... Adapt and do what you have to to survive, pretty simple... if you decide that the best thing to do is wait out a storm inside, then do it. Or don't, its completely up to you.That's assuming that everything will work the way it should, which is not so common in dayz, and how bad will the adverse effects of rain will be, they added weapon sway and for time being you weren't able to hit broad side of barn after running 100 meters. So considering how things tend to go the worst way possible adding hypothermia and overheating at the same time might produce so nasty combo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Briljin 102 Posted September 2, 2014 I would be fine with weather having an impact upon our characters provided they also add sensible solutions to these. For example the standard gorka or gore-text clothing is designed to be water resistant and warm, thus it should offset or at least greatly reduce the effects of standard weather. Not to mention in the military if I needed quick rain protection I could just quickly pull out my poncho and throw in one OVER my current gear, it didn't suddenly require me to remove my BDU top to wear... Plus, it seems to rain a god damn lot in this game :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darth_vaizard 42 Posted September 2, 2014 The newly implemented hypo/hyper thermia system is not bad enough to warrant not playing in the rain... Especially since the rain coats protect you from it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Zod 1114 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) To clarify. I am all for increasing the struggle for survival but I don't want my character to die from pneumonia after running in rain for 30 minutes, nor do I want my character getting heat stroke because I ran form krasno to svetlo. Not to mention lack of some practical solutions, in real life I take off my hoodie or jacket and wrap it around my wait using sleeves when not needed, in dayZ it will have to go into my backpack, limiting my storage. Than the fact that I can't wear a t-shirt underneath any other clothing, another two slots gone from bag pack. Than we also need some hat and even wellies, in the end everyone runs around with a mountain bag pack full of clothes. I would be fine with weather having an impact upon our characters provided they also add sensible solutions to these. For example the standard gorka or gore-text clothing is designed to be water resistant and warm, thus it should offset or at least greatly reduce the effects of standard weather. Not to mention in the military if I needed quick rain protection I could just quickly pull out my poncho and throw in one OVER my current gear, it didn't suddenly require me to remove my BDU top to wear... Well currently in stable nothing protects you from rain, not even rain coat. Edited September 2, 2014 by General Zod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebrim 998 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) So I think one inevitably some people will leave servers when there is adverse weather and night. That is not a reason we shouldn't expand the weather system or fix gamma cheats. Honestly, the game only becomes more atmospheric for those left on the server during these times as you might expect to see less people. Additionally, if you are prepared for these conditions you now get much more free reign around the server without having to server hop to unpopulated servers. When and if time multipliers come things will be even more improved, I'm dying for a nice day/night cycle where I know everyone isn't gamma cheating.Another thing people seem to be forgetting is that you can pack items into your clothes, a wool coat can take up zero extra space in your pack. Edited September 2, 2014 by Ebrim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hopix 44 Posted September 2, 2014 The more to weed out the immature KoS deathmatchers the better. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoik 415 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) Of course it is assuming things will work correctly... to clarify I have played the experimental and for me it seemed to be working fine as a initial implementation. Unlike some, I think I have become a lot more jaded with this community than I have with the future development of DayZ. Regardless, I hope being cold does have logical adverse effects - how steady you hold a weapon, or you spill more food when opening a can when cold, etc. These are logical consequences and needed game mechanics so that there is a valuable reason to keep yourself in good condition, as well as for creating more interesting player interactions/scenarios. Balancing this is of course vital, but will not happen for quite a while yet. What is the problem with this? The game needs a lot more complexity. This weather system is the least radical system on the devs to do list, if the weather effecting you is too much for some I guess disease will be a very nasty combo... IMO this is good... Edited September 2, 2014 by Hoik 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Zod 1114 Posted September 2, 2014 That is not a reason we shouldn't expand the weather system or fix gamma cheats. How is the gamma adjusting a cheat seriously, you just compared an in game option to aimbot and wallhack ? Night is so dark when there clouds that you can't see a thing, light from flash lights goes trough walls meaning everyone from miles away will know you are inside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebrim 998 Posted September 2, 2014 How is the gamma adjusting a cheat seriously, you just compared an in game option to aimbot and wallhack ? Night is so dark when there clouds that you can't see a thing, light from flash lights goes trough walls meaning everyone from miles away will know you are inside. I'm not saying it's equivalent to software manipulation and I think you can make a case of practicality that currently it's acceptable as things stand, one can certainly make a game theory case that it's inevitable right now that people will gamma cheat. All the more reason to make it unworkable/impractical/unnecessary in the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonesnap 75 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) Bring on the rain. The more PvE challenges the better. People should try DayZ mod Namalsk out sometime. Just staying warm is a bit of a task in itself, especially when you climb the high mountain peaks. However, night is still a bit of a pain. I think with a much, much higher max playercount on servers (80-100 players) they would be exciting. Until then, they would be pretty dull. Heck even 24/7 daytime servers are pretty dull with 40 players. 1 player per 5.5 square kilometers on average = don't see much action, if any at all sometimes. In the dark, well.. unless people are rocking flashlights (which the smarter players won't due to hilarious visibility), you literally won't even encounter people at all. Just my $0.02 on the matter. Edited September 2, 2014 by bonesnap 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newberryes 40 Posted September 2, 2014 now i just need disease system and better cooking/crafting and i'll never leave from the woods. Fantastic that they added the weather system,I love it ! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Zod 1114 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) I'm not saying it's equivalent to software manipulation and I think you can make a case of practicality that currently it's acceptable as things stand, one can certainly make a game theory case that it's inevitable right now that people will gamma cheat. All the more reason to make it unworkable/impractical/unnecessary in the future.The only way to make people play at night without using gamma change is not to make it pitch black, the only reason is that it's no fun to play in total darkness, this is not survival horror. In real life you would find a safe spot and go to sleep, not run around with a flash light like beacon shouting come shoot or eat me. Like Briljin said, rain will be all good and fun if it's implement correctly, not like weapon sway was, or loot in military bases adjustment when for a long time nothing spawned in the tents. Edited September 2, 2014 by General Zod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebrim 998 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) The only way to make people play at night without using gamma change is not to make it pitch black, the only reason is that it's no fun to play in total darkness, this is not survival horror. In real life you would find a safe spot and go to sleep, not run around with a flash light like beacon shouting come shoot or eat me. So here I refer back to my earlier post. You're right that some people don't want this sort of survival horror experience or don't find the nights fun. That's fine, let them go onto another server (this is an option built into the game, we should capitalize on it). You're right that many people would just "go to sleep" and this is well abstracted by a reduced server population. For those of us left willing to risk the world with a light source or star navigation, it gives a fun different experience with it's own set of risks/rewards. I think some variation in darkness level based upon moonlight would be interesting but the night should remain significant to keep this potentially exciting element in the game. Edited September 2, 2014 by Ebrim 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin Candie 189 Posted September 2, 2014 Oh no i can carry 1 less ammo box with 300 rounds i most likely never have time to shoot and have to carry a rain coat. Well bugger me thats hard now isnt it, fuck the WHOLE game is ruined now whahhh whahhh .. This sort of shit and from people who most likely havent tried the experiemental patch because its really not that big of a deal hardly effects you really(get cold need to eat more food get real cold you may have to stop and make a fire but seeing you wont be playing it at night it wont get that bad.If you seriously consider jumping server to avoid the rain just stop playing now (this is some of the most absurd rubbish i have read in these forums)Edit why isnt there a rotten kiwi fruit button aswell as a give beans one cause trust me i am mentally throwing rotten kiwi fruit at some of the people in this thread ( my 2 year old has more grit than some of the whinning little twats in this thread..Wear a raincoat and you are safe. You can run in the rain. No serverhopping needed :) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Zod 1114 Posted September 2, 2014 Wear a raincoat and you are safe. You can run in the rain. No serverhopping needed :)Of course not, only 2 hours of running (that is if you don't overheat) to find the raincoat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonesnap 75 Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) If it takes you 2 hours to find a raincoat, where on earth are you looking? The woods? Edited September 2, 2014 by bonesnap 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red_Ensign 990 Posted September 2, 2014 what I'm worried about mainly is the period between my character being wiped and finding my first weapon. since outrunning zombies will cause major overheating and dehydration, I'm gonna have to fight a few of them with my fists, with possibly only 2 rags. rain is nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
