Rain will be the new night?

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

It's people who don't understand this that are really going to most dislike the final DayZ product. It's why when people say, it's not CoD, they mean, it's not CoD.

Agreed.  And those will be the type to post more rage rants on the forums before slowly slithering off into their hole to go back to CoD.

[soulfirez 901]

And dark rain coats

They already do dark green ones been in gam,e for months hell as long as the yellow and orange rain coat

 

Close but I don't snipe freshspawns unless provoked. And here is the kicker, DayZ is a sandbox which means it is what I make of it. If I want to be a sniper I can , if I want to be a no pants axe wielding psycho, I can, if I want to be good guy and help others I can. Just as you can start your fire, read in game book and watch your meat cook. That's the beauty of this game, we are all free to be what we want, all we need to do is to avoid those who would bring us harm (unless the trouble it's what you are looking for).

 

Hmm so how does adding survival mechanics change that ?? you can still do all of those things you just may have to face consequences( eg your a nude axe wielding maniac you will freeze eventually doesnt stop you from doing it , just as you have always been able to do death match in berezino consequence was you were likely to die to other death matchers sooner or later.

 

So explain what you pissing and moaning about?? strange kryptonians are supposed to be smart and tough you come off as the nothing like that..

How can they care about something that's not yet in the game ?

Only now we get some adverse effects from weather. But what was there to survive before ?

LOL and the moment they do there on here crying like little twerps.. Mommy Mommy i like to hide in the bushes and snipe people now the mean game forces me to find warm /or cooler or water proof cloths before i can hide in bush/roof top etc to snipe people its not fair Mommy.. You can still do everything you want you just need to plan for seconds more how to do it. Fuck heaven forbid they add ACE mod style snipping to the game people would loose there shit..

[Sirwarriant12 94]

I that we are finally seeing weather effects. Mods like Frostfall for Skyrim are must haves for me and this will make the game that much more fun and immersive for me. Everyone has known that it was coming at some point for quite a while its pathetic if they server hop and what not just so they can death match.

[CJFlint 357]

How can they care about something that's not yet in the game ?

Only now we get some adverse effects from weather. But what was there to survive before ?

Off cource there is. The 3 health bars, there deffenently is survival parts to the game. There is avatar health, drinking, eating, crude yet existing 1st aid and now hunting. The avatar health system honestly I think is pretty good in its early state.  There def is a reason for me at least to want to keep my avatar alive, well geared, healthy for long periods. Survival. Does this mean I just hide and don't pvp....no. But it does mean I'm careful and calculating. I don't play to die, I play to survive. When I pvp my additude is make the other guy die.

 

Now is the survival system super complex.....not yet.....its just a little limited. But it will be a big factor, Dean Hall made vary clear it will be a huge part of the game. Currently persist servers are really pretty much broken. Hunting is still early on ect ect. It is in the game currently though. Regardless I want to see much more of it, then there is currently. I would love to see snow added too. Like extreme cold.  I'm looking forward to it. I just hope it will not present shitty bugs in the short term.

 

The funny thing about DayZ SA right I hate to say. Is it seems like you have to know just as much about broken mechanics and how to avoid being effected by them as you do tactics and survival. Its the fucked up truth of this thing we call alpha. I'm at the point now were I'm not even going to play when new patches hit stable anymore, until I see what bugs people seeing and if its worth playing. I almost didn't even play more then a couple hours during .47 and just now picked it back up in .48. I need to check out Exp.

 

Just to give the instant gradifation players some credit, the game is sometimes not funtional enough at times to be taken that serously. I try too. But sometimes I find my self frustrated or falling out of my seat luaghing at some of the stuff Ive seen.

Edited September 2, 2014 by CJFlint

[General Zod 1118]

You can die from starvation/dehydration. Thats pretty basic survival.

Because food and drinks are so scarce. 

[Briljin 102]

You can die from starvation/dehydration. Thats pretty basic survival.

 

Outside of being a fresh spawn, there is no excuse to die from starvation nor dehydration except sheer stupidity.   Honestly, they are probably less of a threat than zombies. 

 

 

I still wonder: Why play DayZ and complain about bugs, glitches, and about SURVIVAL elements, if instead they can play Wasteland, a mod meant to draw the PvP 4 Lyfe kiddies away?

 

I still wonder why people think a game designed around a free for all open world PvP are shocked when people actually PvP.  As for voicing concerns over the new features, no one is saying they shouldn't exist but that they need to be carefully balanced.

[General Zod 1118]

Guys I'm afraid you got it all wrong. People play KoS style for two reasons, 

- The survival elements are only now starting to be implemented, so for now it's not survival game

- Because once you get an axe and find some food and water you no longer struggle to survive, People get bored, which results in people seeking some fun in form of fighting each other, which you call turning dayZ into CoD

Not everyone finds making fire places fun, some people want to play survival game while being a bad guy, and I know it fucking hurts you to accept this, but this is they way it's going to be, this is a snadbox and no matter how much you hate on this, some people will play as killers.

Some elements such as loot scarcity, large numbers of zeds, stamina and such will certainly reduce it. But it will never be gone. 

[solodude23 649]

Off cource there is. The 3 health bars, there deffenently is survival parts to the game. There is avatar health, drinking, eating, crude yet existing 1st aid and now hunting.

At this point I wouldn't exactly count hydration, energy, and hunting considering clean water is everywhere, food is way too plentiful, and hunting is overly easy. That being said, all of these things will be developed further and one day into the not so far future I expect them to be more serious survival elements.

Edited September 2, 2014 by solodude23

[CJFlint 357]

At this point I wouldn't exactly count hydration, energy, and hunting considering clean water is everywhere, food is way too plentiful, and hunting is overly easy. That being said, all of these things will be developed further and one day into the not so far future I expect them to be more serious survival elements.

It is part of the survival system still being developed. You know I'm willing to bet the water we can get out of those green colored ponds, will not be clean for long lol. Almost evey 1st aid kit has water purity tabs. 

 

I agree for the most part its not complete and still crude. I sure it will get more challenging down the road. I def want to see more veribles and in .49 we sill see weather effects, and even wolfs..possibly bears.

 

Speaking of hunting being easy....I found prob 20 cows, out in a feild the other day....Some parts of the map there is no sign of animals whats so ever. But I found were all the cows hang out lol Free stakes bitches!

 

Serously though I think the whole SA is still early on I'm somewhat confident we will see a lot more features.

Edited September 2, 2014 by CJFlint

[jubeidok 495]

You know, I often wonder when browsing this forum, do people cry enough?

[CJFlint 357]

Guys I'm afraid you got it all wrong. People play KoS style for two reasons, 

- The survival elements are only now starting to be implemented, so for now it's not survival game

- Because once you get an axe and find some food and water you no longer struggle to survive, People get bored, which results in people seeking some fun in form of fighting each other, which you call turning dayZ into CoD

Not everyone finds making fire places fun, some people want to play survival game while being a bad guy, and I know it fucking hurts you to accept this, but this is they way it's going to be, this is a snadbox and no matter how much you hate on this, some people will play as killers.

Some elements such as loot scarcity, large numbers of zeds, stamina and such will certainly reduce it. But it will never be gone. 

You know what Mr Zod, I don't take my chances with any random person I meet in game period. If I see someone in my general area with a gun out or weapon...even pointed down and I dont even bother with voice com anymore what so ever I consider them hostile...I shot them or flee. I'm not getting dicked around by people. Ive played dayZ for a while and know most random strangers are not freindly LOL Wanna be my buddy hit me up on steam or team speak or at the min have the gun out of them hands LOL I serously dont consider my self a KOSer...more a DayZ player that knows better. So in  since I understand what your saying, maybe I just have a slightly different perspective.  

 

Play how ever you like

Edited September 2, 2014 by CJFlint

[General Zod 1118]

You know what Mr Zod, 

It's General Zod

So if you shoot on sight why are we even having this conversation ? You contribute to  turning this game into cod as much as any other guy who shoots first and do not asks questions. 

[CJFlint 357]

It's General Zod

So if you shoot on sight why are we even having this conversation ? You contribute to  turning this game into cod as much as any other guy who shoots first and do not asks questions. 

The thing about DayZ we both know is it comes from ARMA which came from OFP. These engines In are some of the best military sim engines available for us gamer's. So by nature it will have a good combat combat system so I don't think we have to worry. DayZ SA so I think on its current course will have a really good combat system, sandbox system and survival system if they keep there shit together. But they have much work ahead of them. When I say survival in this thread it goes for everything intense combat survival, surviving off the land or how ever, health, 1st aid. I really want it all. Complete game play freedom in an post apoc eastern euro hell hole LOL.. So the more options the better. So maybe not completely like cod...a combat survival sim is more what I thinking.

 

The thing about dayz that bugs me more then anything right now is bugs. I really hope at the min at the end of development it will run close to seem less. 

 

I think if it all works out DayZ SA will have room for lots of different play styles. I think it will be interesting for sure. Bandits and Highway men make it interesting...same with some crazy fucker who lives up in the hills hunting bears...or heros too...from the sounds of it there will farming for god sakes.

 

If people want to call me a KOSer that's there biz...I just know DayZ and know its hard to trust people out in the open map. I had shit pulled on me enough times and seen enough to know don't trust people that you randomly meet. I'm quick to start shooting if someone is running around with weapon out. Or flee even. I don't bother taking my chances. 

Edited September 3, 2014 by CJFlint

[soulfirez 901]

Guys I'm afraid you got it all wrong. People play KoS style for two reasons, 

- The survival elements are only now starting to be implemented, so for now it's not survival game

- Because once you get an axe and find some food and water you no longer struggle to survive, People get bored, which results in people seeking some fun in form of fighting each other, which you call turning dayZ into CoD

Not everyone finds making fire places fun, some people want to play survival game while being a bad guy, and I know it fucking hurts you to accept this, but this is they way it's going to be, this is a snadbox and no matter how much you hate on this, some people will play as killers.

Some elements such as loot scarcity, large numbers of zeds, stamina and such will certainly reduce it. But it will never be gone. 

Im sorry probably over reacted i just see so much crying over such minor details ( there are things wrong with the game dont get me wrong lol) There at essence is nothing wrong with wanting to play a PvP style in game, it is a sandbox type of game, play the way you want. But i do draw the line at when people complain about adding survival style features to what is listed as ( even if its very early and very easy now) a survival game.

 

When there worry is just for the PvP side of the game if a feature slows or inhibits there play style even slightly it becomes a terrible feature when lets get real here PvP/player interaction is ,has and always will be a major part of the game BUT its not a straight PvP comp game ( there is no k/d or any stats that would lend it to being designed that way )

 

These sort of features will make the game harder for everyone to play there not aimed at stamping out KoS or PvP your always going to be able to do these things but it might make them a little harder to do ( no more than it will everyones play style) and should infact make it more interesting for everyone( SHOULD).

 

No one will ever stop you playing how you want to play but it will(and hopefully get alot) harder for everyone and harder hopefully equates to more rewarding in a challenge sense.

[General Zod 1118]

 But i do draw the line at when people complain about adding survival style features to what is listed as ( even if its very early and very easy now) a survival game.

I don't all I want is for them to work well, because those are things than can cause a lot of trouble if done wrong. 

[mercules 1290]

Because food and drinks are so scarce. 

You missed it. There was several days on Exp. where finding food was difficult. Never before had I bothered to hit up an apple tree or hunt, but with persistence at first the only thing you were finding in spawn points were pants, shoes, ruined items, and rotten fruit. My character only survived because I found an apple tree far enough out of any cities that I felt semi-safe and sat there long enough to eat myself sick on apples... and that was a LOOOOOOONG time. 

I am about to play the "It's an Alpha." card. 

All that water lying around won't be safe to drink forever. See, in the mod you drink soda or boiled water. Otherwise there is a chance you can get sick from the water and then you need antibiotics. Antibiotics can be rare so you avoid that. So finding a pond means filling your canteen, building a fire with the matches and hatchet you looted as well as the wood you cut from trees, then using an empty tin can you can boil the water. 

 

So eventually Hydrating will require a bit more than it does now. I think they are avoiding it until they can get the process for boiling functioning, which will probably require a pot. 

 

I am also fairly certain that cooking the food might give us more energy back than uncooked food. Not meaning heating up a can of bean, but I mean cooking rice, adding chicken, and beans or zucchini = more nourishing meal.

 

The starvation/hydration thing is a simplified placeholder that is getting better.

 

Guys I'm afraid you got it all wrong. People play KoS style for two reasons, 

- The survival elements are only now starting to be implemented, so for now it's not survival game

- Because once you get an axe and find some food and water you no longer struggle to survive, People get bored, which results in people seeking some fun in form of fighting each other, which you call turning dayZ into CoD

Not everyone finds making fire places fun, some people want to play survival game while being a bad guy, and I know it fucking hurts you to accept this, but this is they way it's going to be, this is a snadbox and no matter how much you hate on this, some people will play as killers.

Some elements such as loot scarcity, large numbers of zeds, stamina and such will certainly reduce it. But it will never be gone. 

 

Of course not. The game would be boring if the dangerous humans out there went away and we only faced the zombies or AI bandits. However, having something to do in the game and worry about besides other players would be a very nice thing, as you said above. It will also tone down some of the instant gratification PVP, especially if they move the more interesting guns and items away from the new spawn areas so that people are forced to do at least some surviving to get better gear for PVP. 

[LimeMobber 47]

retro19, on 02 Sept 2014 - 07:12 AM, said:

Eat some food, cook a spare steak, read one of the in-game books, prepare a fishing rod, dry your clothes, clean your gun, mend your ruined shirt, check the map, do some planning... Generally use the time to prepare for going further. It's called immersion, and contradictory to popular belief, many players classify that as fun.

 

Also, don't assume that you can do all those things within a minute, because currently using a sawing kit is just drag and drop, it might not be in the future.

 

When I want to read books I read books, I do not log into video games to do that.

 

As for the rest of what you said, that takes all of about 3 minutes and it rains for a lot longer than this.

 

So try again with your epic fail at "immersion".

[General Zod 1118]

When I want to read books I read books, I do not log into video games to do that.

This a million times, suggestion to read books in the game is just vile. 

[kavemandayz 14]

If we're getting rain, can we at least get a poncho?  Can we slip a rain jacket on top of our clothing, like real life?  In the same way, "Wellies" should be fit OVER boots, not replace them.

[Whyherro123 2283]

When I want to read books I read books, I do not log into video games to do that.

 

As for the rest of what you said, that takes all of about 3 minutes and it rains for a lot longer than this.

 

So try again with your epic fail at "immersion".

What would you do in real life if it was a survival situation and there was inclement weather? Not got derp about in it

 

People forget this is supposed to be (at least somewhat) a survival game, sometimes.

 

So yes, I hope and pray the devs make certain activities take longer. Repairing clothing, weapon maintenance (cleaning, repairing, reassembly), meal preparation.

 

My clan has an entire section of players preparing for this. We will be the "logistics division", making sure the fighting arms have the necessary weapons, clothing, medical supplies, and food necessary to defend our territory, when that time comes.

 

The game shouldn't (and hopefully, won't be) all BANG BANG BANG HACKFEST KILLING BAMBIS UP IN NOVO

[ebrim 998]

My clan has an entire section of players preparing for this. We will be the "logistics division", making sure the fighting arms have the necessary weapons, clothing, medical supplies, and food necessary to defend our territory, when that time comes.

And this lone-wolf will be avoiding wherever that territory is by the sound of it.

[Whyherro123 2283]

And this lone-wolf will be avoiding wherever that territory is by the sound of it.

Pretty much. Repairing vehicles, then using them in combat. Repairing/maintaining armament, growing food. All the stuff that the PvP-ers don't seem to think about all that much, but is ABSOLUTELY necessary for any modern army to function.

 

There is a saying:

"Amateurs study tactics, Veterans study strategies, Professionals study logistics".

[General Zod 1118]

What would you do in real life if it was a survival situation and there was inclement weather? Not got derp about in it

 

People forget this is supposed to be (at least somewhat) a survival game, sometimes.

Yes a survival game, not real life simulator, you people are loosing, reading books, sleeping in game, when the day comes I bet you'd be happy to be plugged into your PCs and move your life into virtual world. 

[Guest]

I don't think the rain will be that much of a problem. You can find some appropriate clothing, no?

Night on the other hand, that's annoying as hell. I think they should turn the light level a little bit up. Real nights aren't ink black all the time either.

[dirrly 70]

...reading books..

 

Nobody wants you to do this... you can also leave your character alone, go outside and smoke a cigarette... or take the rain as toilet break. :D

 

But I hope it will be the way, that you have to avoid rain (without clothing to change), that it is difficult to find food, that most water should be boiled before drunk... no real life simulation, but realistic survival game. ^^