Dean Hall On PvE

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

Lets hope we never get PvE or Pussified Private Hives (50000000 vehicools, self-bludbag, spawn with AS50, no zambies, 234053953295 helicoptas, hunger / thirsty removed!!1!)

[hellcat420 212]

Lets hope we never get PvE or Pussified Private Hives (50000000 vehicools, self-bludbag, spawn with AS50, no zambies, 234053953295 helicoptas, hunger / thirsty removed!!1!)

well there are going to be private hives like that. something i figured out a long time ago after watching the everquest pvp servers die, is that pvp players bring in on themselves. you want to know why a lot of people like private hives, and give up pvp to play pve? because they are tired of dealing with retarded subhuman mongoloids(which is how most pvp players act in video games). its always the same thing, the "hardcore pvpers" act like a bunch of douchebags and chase everyone away, then they cry because nobody wants to play with them. i was lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to have dealt with enough of that bs that it doesnt bother me, but most people would rather go to private servers or pve servers and not have to deal with it at all. you can constantly talk shit, grief people, or whatever  all you want, but dont come crying and bitching on the forums when you dont have anyone to play with on vanilla servers anymore. remember, just because the game allows you to act like a giant douche does not mean you should.

Edited April 1, 2014 by hellcat420

[pjano 34]

There is no need for PVE servers but what they should do is bring back the zombie kill count scoreboard and possibly an 'in-game hours survived' scoreboard next to it.

[agentneo 337]

well there are going to be private hives like that. something i figured out a long time ago after watching the everquest pvp servers die, is that pvp players bring in on themselves. you want to know why a lot of people like private hives, and give up pvp to play pve? because they are tired of dealing with retarded subhuman mongoloids(which is how most pvp players act in video games). its always the same thing, the "hardcore pvpers" act like a bunch of douchebags and chase everyone away, then they cry because nobody wants to play with them. i was lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to have dealt with enough of that bs that it doesnt bother me, but most people would rather go to private servers or pve servers and not have to deal with it at all. you can constantly talk shit, grief people, or whatever  all you want, but dont come crying and bitching on the forums when you dont have anyone to play with on vanilla servers anymore. remember, just because the game allows you to act like a giant douche does not mean you should.

Good one, I agree. The community of day Z is the worst community of any game I've played. Most other games you will meet the occasionally friendly person who is willing to co-operate or work together. Especially in an apocalypse game you would expect to be more common, but no, everyone wants to be a troll, 99% of the community are KOS (which is worse than just playing the bandit) and it turns the game into a giant deathmatch (which isn't actually much fun, on a huge map with 40 people). Maybe the servers cranked up to 65 or 100 people would actually help, and i also think we need less gun/ammo spawn, more zombies, and zombies should kill you faster (3 swipes or one bite and your dead in my opinion).

[agentneo 337]

There is no need for PVE servers but what they should do is bring back the zombie kill count scoreboard and possibly an 'in-game hours survived' scoreboard next to it.

You may have no need for a PVE server. However I wouldn't mind the choice. Soon we know they are going to let people change the time scale so you can have up to 64 x time to experience day/night as you wish. I think people should be able to rent a private server (not on the hive) and do PVE on there.

 

It will be fun if theres just a few friends online and you fancy testing vechicles, or having a private hunger games style event,. lots of things would be fun on a private server where you can kick people for PVP. I invision a PVE server having hundreds of extra zombies to increase the threat.

[babypuncher71 22]

Srs if you want to pve just wait for mod tools then you can have the whole world to yourselves and talk flowers and shit..

I mean if the shit hit the fan in the real world trust me it would be KOS no questions asked...

Some of you would die in the first 24hrs going to wallmart to getting drinks......

[hellcat420 212]

Good one, I agree. The community of day Z is the worst community of any game I've played. Most other games you will meet the occasionally friendly person who is willing to co-operate or work together. Especially in an apocalypse game you would expect to be more common, but no, everyone wants to be a troll, 99% of the community are KOS (which is worse than just playing the bandit) and it turns the game into a giant deathmatch (which isn't actually much fun, on a huge map with 40 people). Maybe the servers cranked up to 65 or 100 people would actually help, and i also think we need less gun/ammo spawn, more zombies, and zombies should kill you faster (3 swipes or one bite and your dead in my opinion).

I have seen a couple game communities that are worse. one of those actually makes the dayz community look like a bunch of carebears.

[Siberian (DayZ) 527]

hellcat420, on 31 Mar 2014 - 7:10 PM, said:

well there are going to be private hives like that. something i figured out a long time ago after watching the everquest pvp servers die, is that pvp players bring in on themselves. you want to know why a lot of people like private hives, and give up pvp to play pve? because they are tired of dealing with retarded subhuman mongoloids(which is how most pvp players act in video games). its always the same thing, the "hardcore pvpers" act like a bunch of douchebags and chase everyone away, then they cry because nobody wants to play with them. i was lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to have dealt with enough of that bs that it doesnt bother me, but most people would rather go to private servers or pve servers and not have to deal with it at all. you can constantly talk shit, grief people, or whatever  all you want, but dont come crying and bitching on the forums when you dont have anyone to play with on vanilla servers anymore. remember, just because the game allows you to act like a giant douche does not mean you should.

 

excellent post... one of the best written on here recently..

[hellcat420 212]

Srs if you want to pve just wait for mod tools then you can have the whole world to yourselves and talk flowers and shit..

I mean if the shit hit the fan in the real world trust me it would be KOS no questions asked...

Some of you would die in the first 24hrs going to wallmart to getting drinks......

no it wouldn't actually. you need to quit watching so much tv and come back to reality.

[makomachine 263]

Srs if you want to pve just wait for mod tools then you can have the whole world to yourselves and talk flowers and shit..

I mean if the shit hit the fan in the real world trust me it would be KOS no questions asked...

Some of you would die in the first 24hrs going to wallmart to getting drinks......

I gave my beans so that I could take them away! Some of that, sure - but people don't drop their moral compass to that degree in much longer time periods. New Orleans and other towns would be vacant after a disaster from all that anarchy and brutality, that was truly a microcosm of what actually occurred. People care beared when the crap hit the fan more than they KoS. What are you, 12? Edited April 1, 2014 by makomachine

[hellcat420 212]

I gave my beans so that I could take them away! Some of that, sure - but people don't drop their moral compass to that degree in much longer time periods. New Orleans and other towns would be vacant after a disaster from all that anarchy and brutality, that was truly a microcosm of what actually occurred. People care bared when the crap hit the fan more than they KoS. What are you, 12?

a lot of people don't think enough to realize that what they see on tv(especially the news) is not the reality on the ground. the news will show the little bits and pieces that gets ratings, while they will ignore most of whats actually happening. this is what happens when you let news outlets be bought out by corporations and be run for profit.  

[Valadain 270]

I think people are entirely missing the essence of what Dean was saying.

 

Other players being the tension isn't code for KoS. It means that dealing with others, not knowing their intentions, will always be tense. It will always be the thing that separates DayZ from Dead Island. It is the core of the game. Yes, KoS plays into that as you have to watch your back, employ tactics when you are moving about and heading into populated areas, and be very careful moving through buildings. Zombies will never create that kind of tension.

 

How do I know Zombies will never create that kind of tension? Because people here complain like crazy when they are killed by a player, but nobody really cares about being killed by zombies except when it is through a bug. The fact that people hate KoS so much, indicates that they place this sort of kill higher on the annoyance and stress meter than any other type of death. Dying to a player feels different than dying to the environment. It creates far more tension.

 

Still, it needn't just be KoS. It could be that the player is luring you into a trap or waiting for you to turn your back or will rob you or will betray you after they get gear. There are a myriad of bad possibilities when grouping with others.

[darthbane67 92]

Be the change you want to see in the world.

[babypuncher71 22]

I gave my beans so that I could take them away! Some of that, sure - but people don't drop their moral compass to that degree in much longer time periods. New Orleans and other towns would be vacant after a disaster from all that anarchy and brutality, that was truly a microcosm of what actually occurred. People care beared when the crap hit the fan more than they KoS. What are you, 12?

Have you served in any conflicts there dude,let me tell you..

Serbian war mass killings

Timor mass killings

African wars which are still going mass killings if you think that this and the world wouldn't go this way,you sir need more then meds...

I mean you only have to look at what happened to the soldier in the England to see what would happen..

Dude i could tell you some storys that make your eyes water you have zero clue,why because its not shown on tv because of the ratings....ie rated "R"

Go back to your cabbage patch dolls...

[scriptfactory 620]

Dean is going to make survival so damn hard that the 'moderates' or what I call "incidental-KoS'ers" will become a thing of the past.  More people will find reasons to interact, not simply kill. I blame paranoia in part, and boredom to a certain extent.  Players will always be a source of tension, but by creating an environment so challenging that not cooperating is a source of tension, the game will achieve its apogee.

 

This will never work. KoS mentality will never done unless active game mechanics are created to increase teamplay or penalize KoS. Otherwise SA will end up just like Mod and the community will fragment leaving the vanilla servers empty. And that is OK with me. If Rocket can't create a true survival environment I have faith that the community can take over and fix his fundamentally flawed vision for DayZ.

 

well there are going to be private hives like that. something i figured out a long time ago after watching the everquest pvp servers die, is that pvp players bring in on themselves. you want to know why a lot of people like private hives, and give up pvp to play pve? because they are tired of dealing with retarded subhuman mongoloids(which is how most pvp players act in video games). its always the same thing, the "hardcore pvpers" act like a bunch of douchebags and chase everyone away, then they cry because nobody wants to play with them. i was lucky enough(or unlucky enough) to have dealt with enough of that bs that it doesnt bother me, but most people would rather go to private servers or pve servers and not have to deal with it at all. you can constantly talk shit, grief people, or whatever  all you want, but dont come crying and bitching on the forums when you dont have anyone to play with on vanilla servers anymore. remember, just because the game allows you to act like a giant douche does not mean you should.

 

The vanilla PvP servers will die after modding support is introduced. PvP-only players will leave for "1000+ vehicle" servers and people sick of the KoS mentality will play on private "PvE-only" servers or whitelisted RP servers. It is a bit sad that we were promised a grand survival experience and provided with the slowest deathmatch experience ever but I do have faith in the community. After 1.7 million purchases I am sure that the current state of affairs is not what the majority wanted.

[makomachine 263]

Have you served in any conflicts there dude,let me tell you..

Serbian war mass killings

Timor mass killings

African wars which are still going mass killings if you think that this and the world wouldn't go this way,you sir need more then meds...

I mean you only have to look at what happened to the soldier in the England to see what would happen..

Dude i could tell you some storys that make your eyes water you have zero clue,why because its not shown on tv because of the ratings....ie rated "R"

Go back to your cabbage patch dolls...

Equating wars tied to politics, religion, and ethnic hate to what would happen in a disaster is comparing apples to cucumbers. Thailand gets hit by a Sunami, the world comes together. A Zed apocalypse would bring people together more than drive hatred and killing of others. Sure, there will be some killing, looting, and violence. Those are largely a portion of the population committing crimes today - hardly the majority. It will increase - no doubt - but there will be A LOT of people looking for help and helping others in a zed apocalypse. We'd all have a common enemy - that hooker with the overbite making the funny sounds and chewing on your neighbor. If you believe likewise, YOU'VE watched too much tv..... Edited April 3, 2014 by makomachine

[babypuncher71 22]

Equating wars tied to politics, religion, and ethnic hate to what would happen in a disaster is comparing apples to cucumbers. Thailand gets hit by a Sunami, the world comes together. A Zed apocalypse would bring people together more than drive hatred and killing of others. Sure, there will be some killing, looting, and violence. Those are largely a portion of the population committing crimes today - hardly the majority. It will increase - no doubt - but there will be A LOT of people looking for help and helping others in a zed apocalypse. We'd all have a common enemy - that hooker with the overbite making the funny sounds and chewing on your neighbor. If you believe likewise, YOU'VE watched too much tv.....

Lol dont think so bud,tell that to the person your competing with for food..

And a bigger lol at the common enemy would be other people...

trust me if the shit hit the fan world wide in any shape or form,the ones left would be the ones who would have no problems in slotting a person any person other than there family..Between the eyes..

As to watching too much tv...bwahahah ive seen people drag others behind cars and then string them up on the light posts and this wasn't over politics,religion or ethnic hate..

And seeing people in there rawest form,like this tells me we are just animals at heart...

And people competing for food water and shelter,tell me we would be sitting together around the camp fire singing songs is just a joke.ask anybody thats had time on the ground and they will tell you the same thing.

Animals will be animals....

[pjano 34]

You may have no need for a PVE server. However I wouldn't mind the choice..... I invision a PVE server having hundreds of extra zombies to increase the threat.

 

If you want PVE only go play a PVE game like L4D...

[St. Jimmy 1631]

If you want PVE only go play a PVE game like L4D...

Or wait for private hives.

 

If the difficulty is hard enough I would test that kind of a server.

[infiniteripper 8]

There will be PVE servers eventually, if there are custom/private servers then the host could make it no PVP; until then I'll stick with the mod.

[pacific_coast 632]

nothing in game promotes pve

 

nothing in the roadmap hints at pve features or game features that increase pve

 

private locked servers is the only place pve can exist

 

there is no reason/incentive to "team up against the envionment" rather than just pvp deathmatch

[svenbreakfast 231]

There are servers in the mod distinguished as "no PvP". I checked one out and everybody was just in global helping each other and stuff. It seemed extremely boring, like what I imagine Second Life to be.

 

Firing your weapon in a town needs to be a hard choice to make, and one that could easily put you in a fucked position. Just like in Walking Dead or any other zombie movie where they only fire when the shit hits the fan.

 

A friend and I had a situation in the mod a few months back where for whatever reason there were like 100 zombies in Berezino, and we needed to get into the hospital because I had sepsis and was dying. Just getting to the building was very very tense. My buddy shot out the windows, aggro'd  the whole town, and I slipped in to find meds. He ran off into the houses with an insane pack after him. He didn't make it far- they came at him from all directions. I would have been dead too, but the zeds wouldn't enter the building. In the end I found some antibiotics, but ended up having to satchel charge the hospital to get away from the horde.   

Numerous, dangerous zombies with good pathing are the urban solution, but in the wilderness, who knows? I don't usually run into people out in the woods, but I think if you're running through an open field near an area of interest you should expect a bullet to come your way. It's not hard to stay low pro in the woods. 

[agentneo 337]

Have you served in any conflicts there dude,let me tell you..

Serbian war mass killings

Timor mass killings

African wars which are still going mass killings if you think that this and the world wouldn't go this way,you sir need more then meds...

I mean you only have to look at what happened to the soldier in the England to see what would happen..

Dude i could tell you some storys that make your eyes water you have zero clue,why because its not shown on tv because of the ratings....ie rated "R"

Go back to your cabbage patch dolls...

Most of these conflicts you mention are war killings, soldiers killing civilians and battle of two divisions

 

We are talking about an anarchic situation where no soldiers or government are there to 'control us' and people left to their own devices. Have you seen Ukraine? people are rallying together making their own armors and weapons to fight together

 

Have you seen our protests such as Anonymous, Occupy, anti fracking protests etc

 

You will see more people rising up and co-operating I believe when the shit hits the fan & people realise our governments are not going to save us, they are following through a global agenda of depopulation and we are all dead weight that needs killing off.

Edited April 7, 2014 by AgentNe0

[ramsfan00 90]

Zombies do serve a point at the moment.

 

While they are COMPLETELY BROKEN IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY,  if you shoot your gun in a city they will give away your position.  Unfortunately they run 200 meters through 3 buildings even when you don't shoot at the moment.  HOWEVER, once this is fixed shooting will become a liability due to the zombies giving away your position. 

[agentneo 337]

Very little of those mechanics are implemented at this time. Hall just said at the Twitch interview after his presentation at Rezzed that people KOS so heavily right now because there is nothing to do. Things to do are coming, one of which is the hunting/survival aspects which will keep many players busy.

 

Regarding "flawed concept"...Hall is an artist and all artists are perfectionists, they always find flaws in their work. Sometimes its flaws nobody can see or agree about. Recent quote below.

 

"I don't think I have the capacity to be happy in a traditional sense. I always want... It's the natural human... Once you have something, you don't want it any more. I wanted to be better. But I already knew this. No matter what happens with DayZ - the Queen could come here right now and proclaim DayZ king of the universe, and I would still be unhappy with it."

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-28-who-is-dayz-creator-dean-hall

Im getting a little tired of this argument. Hunting is not going to be some amazing thing that will take all our time. Im a strictly PVE , communicate first kind of guy and im getting bored with Day Z standalone. Waiting months for the zombie update and now we get a real mess of zombies. Im a classic Romero fan and preffered the first batch of Z's over these. Anyway, on topic, hunting will take like an hour to get fully fooded up., Now we have even easier way to get food. I've alreeady said its too bloody easy to find food everywhere. Water should be boiled first not drunk straight from the swamp. Please make loot rarer, zombies more plentiful, and survival more of a challenge. Its such a walk in the park.