(Rocket Stream) Did he say we can jump from public to private?

[pacific_coast 632]

... or just from persistent-public to public?

 

at the point when helicopters are discussed:

 

basically "hey we need parts from this clan (or established) server, lets hop over there and steal their parts"

 

server hopping for base-rape ghosting is dev supported, rocket approved.

 

or did i get that wrong...

 

 

i told them we need locking mechanisms on the server doors!

[Deathlove 2286]

... or just from persistent-public to public?

 

at the point when helicopters are discussed:

 

basically "hey we need parts from this clan (or established) server, lets hop over there and steal their parts"

 

server hopping for base-rape ghosting is dev supported, rocket approved.

 

or did i get that wrong...

 

 

i told them we need locking mechanisms on the server doors!

To be honest it sounds like Warz/Infestation all over again. Very very bad game changing meta. Ppl with private could easily pvp or loot on public than go to private without problems when things get hot. Thats not good it will hurt the whole survival feel of the game. Also ENCOURAGING ppl to hop for chopper parts is god awful. Hes literally encouraging ppl with a carrot on a stick.

 

It will lead to a few strong clans with overpowered weapons and vehicles with weapons i can see it now.

[Weyland Yutani (DayZ) 1159]

I'm not positive, but I don't think he ever said the word "private" when mentioning server hopping for parts.

[Deathlove 2286]

I'm not positive, but I don't think he ever said the word "private" when mentioning server hopping for parts.

Still having to server hop for parts period is a little silly though dont you think?

[Weyland Yutani (DayZ) 1159]

Still having to server hop for parts period is a little silly though dont you think?

 

Definitely a bad idea. With a map this size (and by that time the map will probably be expanded north more) I see no reason to spread rare parts to other servers.

[Etherious 907]

Still having to server hop for parts period is a little silly though dont you think?

You could still prevent it actually. I can already think of a way to stop that from happening easily with a good o'l certain custom script added to the server. ^-^

Edited March 29, 2014 by DJ SGTHornet

[Bubbled Luff 27]

You could still prevent it actually. I can already think of a way to stop that from happening easily with a good o'l certain custom script added to the server. ^-^

Very good point. You won't have ANY vanilla private servers if endgame cannot be achieved without having to server hop, and private cannot hop to public and vice-versa. They will all be running custom scripts to raise spawn rate of the 'rare' heli parts... and that is a slippery slope into '1,000 vehicles and custom loadout on spawn'.

Also, if private can hop to public, but those private servers are passworded, are any of the 'rare' heli parts lost to the public hive?

Edited March 29, 2014 by Bubbled Luff

[St. Jimmy 1631]

Very likely he didn't mean public-private-public jumping. Clans can host public servers also ;)

 

But I also don't like server hopping.

[gorvi 189]

I noticed this too and think we need some clarification.  Seems like an odd thing when anti-server hopping was just implemented.

[mgc 92]

If we don't allow for switching servers, we limit the interactions with other players to the 40 or so that are on that server. If we do allow for switching servers, looting will happen (unless somehow prevented).

 

The easy fix would be 1 character per server. Want to play on a different server? Create another character. (No loot switching between characters, obviously.)

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

If we don't allow for switching servers, we limit the interactions with other players to the 40 or so that are on that server. If we do allow for switching servers, looting will happen (unless somehow prevented).

 

The easy fix would be 1 character per server. Want to play on a different server? Create another character. (No loot switching between characters, obviously.)

No, DayZ's persistent hive allows players to keep their character even after a server dies or if they want to play with a friend.

[mgc 92]

No, DayZ's persistent hive allows players to keep their character even after a server dies or if they want to play with a friend.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

[pacific_coast 632]

Very good point. You won't have ANY vanilla private servers if endgame cannot be achieved without having to server hop, and private cannot hop to private and vice-versa. They will all be running custom scripts to raise spawn rate of the 'rare' heli parts... and that is a slippery slope into '1,000 vehicles and custom loadout on spawn'.

Also, if private can hop to public, but those private servers are passworded, are any of the 'rare' heli parts lost to the public hive?

 

basically i was afraid the devs were supporting server hopping

not it seems they are supporting hive hopping too

 

from public to private and back again is going to DESTROY this game.

[Esolu 320]

Take stupid thread out back.

*gunshot*
 

[pacific_coast 632]

Take stupid thread out back.

*gunshot*

 

when you're on public hive asking "where all da loot at?"

 

look here for answers

[Esolu 320]

"Bear in mind, with the centralized loot economy, there might be parts for that helicopter on one particular server. That's when you're like, well we need all these different parts to finish our helicopter, we're going to have to steal someone else's from this server that we know about."

Begins at at : 25:24

http://www.twitch.tv/egx/c/3967056

Quit spreading your fucking fear mongering bullshit because there was not one mention of 'hive hopping'. Go watch it for yourself. Get your facts straight and be informed before you start making assumptions because it makes you look like an idiot.

People need informed posts. Not the bullshit you spread constantly.

Edited March 29, 2014 by orlok
good point, but could be better made.

[pacific_coast 632]

"Bear in mind, with the centralized loot economy, there might be parts for that helicopter on one particular server. That's when you're like, well we need all these different parts to finish our helicopter, we're going to have to steal someone else's from this server that we know about."

Begins at at : 25:24

http://www.twitch.tv/egx/c/3967056

Quit spreading your fucking fear mongering bullshit because there was not one mention of 'hive hopping'. Go watch it for yourself. Get your facts straight and be informed before you start making assumptions because it makes you look like an idiot.

People need informed posts. Not the bullshit you spread constantly.

nice.

 

also, no where in that quote is it specified whether that is public hive only.

 

also, he straight up encouraged server hopping for parts.

 

server hopping as a group, against other groups/individuals.

 

coordinated ghosting other groups/servers to hoard and hop away with their loot.

 

quoted.

Edited March 29, 2014 by pacific_coast

[SmashT 10907]

I'm really not following you at all, a hive is a collection of servers all connected to each other on the same database shard. Obviously you cannot carry gear between private and public hives. I can't see how you could think he meant anything other than hopping between servers on a single hive - which is the whole premise behind the hive architecture? That you can join any server and continue where you left off, move stuff between servers etc.

[Deathlove 2286]

I'm really not following you at all, a hive is a collection of servers all connected to each other on the same database shard. Obviously you cannot carry gear between private and public hives.

Than how will ppl get those chopper parts if they cant? From what i understood the developers were making it to where you have to server hop to get all the pieces. Unless they mean 2 per server. So basically you just wait a long time for respawns of new parts.

[SmashT 10907]

Than how will ppl get those chopper parts if they cant? From what i understood the developers were making it to where you have to server hop to get all the pieces. Unless they mean 2 per server. So basically you just wait a long time for respawns of new parts.

 

I'm still not following you. Yes, when they implement a global loot economy, loot on the public hive will be managed by a central server, so yes, there may very well be some extremely rare item that only exists on x amount of servers within that hive at any one point.

[Bubbled Luff 27]

I'm still not following you. Yes, when they implement a global loot economy, loot on that hive will be managed by a central server, so yes, there may very well be some extremely rare item that only exists on x amount of servers within that hive at any one point.

I think the point is, if a private server will not spawn all the parts you need for a heli due to this proposed mechanic, how do you get them & will that make private hive pointless for endgame?

What will then happen, is that private hives will modify spawn rates etc., sand you lose the vanilla experience.

However, private hives may well not be governed by this global loot economy and thusly this is a moot point.

[SmashT 10907]

I think the point is, if a private server will not spawn all the parts you need for a heli due to this proposed mechanic, how do you get them & will that make private hive pointless for endgame?

What will then happen, is that private hives will modify spawn rates etc., sand you lose the vanilla experience.

However, private hives may well not be governed by this global loot economy and thusly this is a moot point.

 

Private Hives are a completely separate thing, using their own database and not managed by BIS. So yes to your last point.

[Etherious 907]

Very good point. You won't have ANY vanilla private servers if endgame cannot be achieved without having to server hop, and private cannot hop to public and vice-versa. They will all be running custom scripts to raise spawn rate of the 'rare' heli parts... and that is a slippery slope into '1,000 vehicles and custom loadout on spawn'.

Also, if private can hop to public, but those private servers are passworded, are any of the 'rare' heli parts lost to the public hive?

Well, I mean that with a custom item ID script, you could have it delete item IDs not matching the servers. Because each item in it's own server has a server ID, so if you were to write a script that prevents/deletes wrong server ID item then viola! :) 

[pacific_coast 632]

I think the point is, if a private server will not spawn all the parts you need for a heli due to this proposed mechanic, how do you get them & will that make private hive pointless for endgame?

What will then happen, is that private hives will modify spawn rates etc., sand you lose the vanilla experience.

However, private hives may well not be governed by this global loot economy and thusly this is a moot point.

this.

 

private servers become reset-every-5-minutes or they jump from private to public or from private to private to hop for loot.

[pacific_coast 632]

Private Hives are a completely separate thing, using their own database and not managed by BIS. So yes to your last point.

oh. that sucks.

1000+ helis no repairs self blood bag and saline coming right our way right now!