Arma3 Third person fix mod...thoughts?

[pacific_coast 632]

Doubt anyone will notice and those that do will merely complain that they cannot camp the rooftops of fireastations anymore and still see around them so their point would be moot.

then what is stopping it's immediate implementation?

just removing the alt-swivel from 3pp would be a huge step forward.

[Weedz 1105]

then what is stopping it's immediate implementation?

just removing the alt-swivel from 3pp would be a huge step forward.

And change the FoV slider in 3pp from being a "how much wallhack would you like?" slider.

[gibonez 3633]

then what is stopping it's immediate implementation?

just removing the alt-swivel from 3pp would be a huge step forward.

 

If i had to guess I doubt the devs are even aware of this mod or mods like it.

[J4G 92]

Okay thanks .... downloading hacks now so I can use them only on 3pp servers!

 

...... you clearly don't get the point of this mod. It would have no use on hardcore servers because those don't have wallhack exploits due to a badly implemented 3pp by people who never meant it to be used for a PvP game.

It definitely would have the point to add this to hardcore, for the same reason that you wrote.

Because it wouldnt change anything.

If community loves it, HC servers would have nice peak from new players.

But changing whole mechanics at 3pp servers just because couple of HC players dont like unrealism of view in the servers, where they not even play.

If this is the biggest next step to uniting the DayZ community, why this cant be added to hardcore servers and let the community make the choice instead of you?

 

 

[BeefBacon 1185]

If i had to guess I doubt the devs are even aware of this mod or mods like it.

 

I dunno. The devs must check these forums from time to time. Provided this thread remains popular for long enough I see no reason that they shouldn't see it.

 

That is unless the express purpose of these forums is to let us feel like we're affecting development in some small way when, in fact, we're not... but honestly I doubt that. A lot of the ideas on these forums are good. Most are terrible, but some are good. The devs would be foolish to ignore them.

[Weedz 1105]

It definitely would have the point to add this to hardcore, for the same reason that you wrote.

Because it wouldnt change anything.

If community loves it, HC servers would have nice peak from new players.

But changing whole mechanics at 3pp servers just because couple of HC players dont like unrealism of view in the servers, where they not even play.

If this is the biggest next step to uniting the DayZ community, why this cant be added to hardcore servers and let the community make the choice instead of you?

Can't tell if troll .... or under 10

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

I would play on a 3pp server if I didn't have the capability of getting cheese kills.  I support this mod

[J4G 92]

Can't tell if troll .... or under 10

Lets make this easier for you then...

Or is this once again these situations where the 10% knows how wrong rest of the 90% is?

 

If this is the biggest next step to uniting the DayZ community, why this cant be added to hardcore servers and let the community make the choice instead of you?

[Weedz 1105]

Lets make this easier for you then...

Or is this once again these situations where the 10% knows how wrong rest of the 90% is?

 

If this is the biggest next step to uniting the DayZ community, why this cant be added to hardcore servers and let the community make the choice instead of you?

... so troll then; Gotcha K moving on ignoring all further posts from you

Edited March 29, 2014 by Weedz

[Bubbled Luff 27]

... so troll then; Gotcha K moving on ignoring all further posts from you

Don't think he's trolling, think he means:

''Allow 3pp players to play with 1pp on hardcore with this mod in place'

Which - correct me if I'm wrong - is what we want to achieve and the ENTIRE point of this thread. Getting a solution to allow both 1pp and 3pp to play on the same hive.

Edited March 29, 2014 by Bubbled Luff

[gibonez 3633]

Don't think he's trolling, think he means:

''Allow 3pp players to play with 1pp on hardcore with this mod in place'

Which - correct me if I'm wrong - is what we want to achieve and the ENTIRE point of this thread. Getting a solution to allow both 1pp and 3pp to play on the same hive.

 

Absolutely a means to not fragment the community and have everyone play the same game with a great equal experience.

 

This at the same time means devs can focus on one game not two.

[joe_mcentire 2074]

If this is the biggest next step to uniting the DayZ community, why this cant be added to hardcore servers and let the community make the choice instead of you?

 you've posted this now at least twice. please just take a moment and think why it doesn't make any sense.

 

 

''Allow 3pp players to play with 1pp on hardcore with this mod in place'

now this seems to make a bit more sense.

Edited March 29, 2014 by joe_mcentire

[J4G 92]

Don't think he's trolling, think he means:

''Allow 3pp players to play with 1pp on hardcore with this mod in place'

Which - correct me if I'm wrong - is what we want to achieve and the ENTIRE point of this thread. Getting a solution to allow both 1pp and 3pp to play on the same hive.

He understood it. And beans for you sir.

I think it would be good idea to hardcore server players to test it first and build the wall mod to bomb proof, before it can be sold to 3pp regular servers.

You guys know what you want for it, and you can build it to be good as possible.

Im just guessing here, it would bring alot of new players to hardcore servers.

Im not fan for wall peekin fov wise. Thats why i play at HC servers.

 

But if majority want to "wall hack" by peeking from corners, imo its not for minoritys choice to change that as long theres other option.

What we have at this moment. but if masses buys what you guys are selling, problem solved.

That is what i meant joe_mcentire.

Im not native english speaker, so i do misspell and write incorrectly and get misunderstood. sry for confuse, in the end im just a sloth :(

[Weedz 1105]

Don't think he's trolling, think he means:

''Allow 3pp players to play with 1pp on hardcore with this mod in place'

Which - correct me if I'm wrong - is what we want to achieve and the ENTIRE point of this thread. Getting a solution to allow both 1pp and 3pp to play on the same hive.

Which makes no sense because the only difference between HC and normal is HC doesn't allow 3pp because HC is the immersion version :lol: . Adding 3pp to locked 1pp servers makes no sense. The point of this mod is to remove the need for their being a divide in the community how would flipping the majority of players from normal servers to HC servers, which are now not HC servers because they allow 3pp, leaving the normal servers empty like the HC servers are now be any better than where we are right now? This would also mean that the only point of playing on normal servers would be to allow you to exploit something that is already fixed in the game ...

 

This would be like saying add guns that do more damage to normal mode on Call of Duty so that people who want to play HC mode can play on normal servers.

 

 

... or they could fix an exploit in the game because that is what Alphas are for ...  :o You people can't accept a fix for exploiting 3pp (because you want the easiest game possible .. they can probably add aim assist too for you guys if you want) ... Then remove 3pp entirely problem solved.

Edited March 29, 2014 by Weedz

[dallas 5195]

I've got no problem with adding the 4th wall mod to hardcore servers, because I don't play on hardcore servers, just as long as you keep that "stuff" away from regular servers. Maybe a few extra 3PP players will join the hardcore servers for a poor 3PP experience, where players and zombies pop in and out of existence like USS Enterprise away teams and completely destroy the immersion. 

Edited March 29, 2014 by Dallas

[gibonez 3633]

I've got no problem with adding the 4th wall mod to hardcore servers, because I don't play on hardcore servers, just as long as you keep that "stuff" away from regular servers. Maybe a few extra 3PP players will join the hardcore servers for a poor 3PP experience, where players and zombies pop in and out of existence like USS Enterprise away teams and completely destroy the immersion. 

 

My ideal implementation of this is so there is no hardcore or regular servers.

 

All servers are the same same hive same player base no fragmentation of players.

[dallas 5195]

The player base will always be fragmented, since currently servers only holds 40 people of the player base. There's no problems with running two hives and there's certainly no reason to ruin 3PP, just to please players, who have no intentions of playing on 3PP servers anyways.

[gibonez 3633]

The player base will always be fragmented, since currently servers only holds 40 people of the player base. There's no problems with running two hives and there's certainly no reason to ruin 3PP, just to please players, who have no intentions of playing on 3PP servers anyways.

 

How would 3pp get ruined once people cannot use it to peak over and around cover ?

[Bubbled Luff 27]

Which makes no sense because the only difference between HC and normal is HC doesn't allow 3pp because HC is the immersion version :lol: . Adding 3pp to locked 1pp servers makes no sense. The point of this mod is to remove the need for their being a divide in the community how would flipping the majority of players from normal servers to HC servers, which are now not HC servers because they allow 3pp, leaving the normal servers empty like the HC servers are now be any better than where we are right now? This would also mean that the only point of playing on normal servers would be to allow you to exploit something that is already fixed in the game ...

 

This would be like saying add guns that do more damage to normal mode on Call of Duty so that people who want to play HC mode can play on normal servers.

 

 

... or they could fix an exploit in the game because that is what Alphas are for ...  :o You people can't accept a fix for exploiting 3pp (because you want the easiest game possible .. they can probably add aim assist too for you guys if you want) ... Then remove 3pp entirely problem solved.

I honestly don't know where to begin. You appear to read whatever you want into what people post, entirely missing the point.

I give up; not sure if you are trolling, or simply lack reading comprehension.

Cheers!

[Weedz 1105]

How would 3pp get ruined once people cannot use it to peak over and around cover ?

A fix was found for 3pp exploiting so now they can't make their excuses like "we only want 3pp so we can look at our characters" and have to actually tell the truth now that they don't want their crutches taken away.

[Ken Bean 175]

The player base will always be fragmented, since currently servers only holds 40 people of the player base. There's no problems with running two hives and there's certainly no reason to ruin 3PP, just to please players, who have no intentions of playing on 3PP servers anyways.

Exactly. Two seperated hives => two gameplay stiles available to chose from => both won't affect each other => folks can play what they enjoy most (or for the extremists here: Yes, you can chose the playstile which definetely is the one and only justified way to play a game) as they wish.

Problem solved, everyone is happy - well except the tiny but vocal "there-only-can-be-one-thing,-because-choice-is-the-mother-of-evil-minority".

To them I say: You demand challenge? You are the hardcore of the hardcorest? - Then face the most terrifing thing on earth: c.h.o.i.c.e.*

 

 

* successfully confuses 1st person only purists since the 3rd person view has been invented

 

 

Now I see some still demand more, so...

- Nope, the 3rd person view is not unfair. Everyone can use it.

- Nope, 3rd person is not an exploit. It's game design intentionally built in to be used by everyone who wishes so.

- Nope, 3rd person is not broken. It's a very well working game feature.

- Nope, 3rd person is not less immersive. The clumsy and limited 1st person view breaks the immerson more effectively.

- Nope, you can't prove that 1st person is the only legit way to play the game. It's just your opinion, because you personally may favour one over the other.

- Nope, the restricted and imperfect 1st person view alone is not more realistic.

- Nope, breaking the visual consistency does not improve the game.

- Yes, the game intends to be more than a death match. Seeing your character doing survival stuff actually helps to create a survival feeling.

- Yes, peeking around a corner without being seen can be a tactic to get into advantage over someone or to avoid certain situations. It's a real life tactics, not unrealistic.

- Yes, there already is a very well working solution for those who feel threatened by a game feature like the 3rd person view: 1st person only server.

- Yes, you still can have "only one". Just ignore the other choice completely and play what you prefer most. No one forces you to play both ways.

- Yes, the playerbase already is split. In tiny server nibbles of around about 40 player currently. There won't ever be a united playerbase where everone plays on one server anyway.

- Yes, I absolutely mean what I wrote. I read the points, watched the explanations, played the game both ways and I'm absolutely not convinced that the 3rd person view "needs to be fixed".

- Yes, I know that whatever you say or do, you can't please everyone anyways. Some are not willing to accept certain things for the sake of winning the discussion.

- Yes, giving chocolate lovers chocolate and strawberry lovers strawberry is a valid, working and confirmed successfull practice to solve such differences of opinion. :thumbsup:

 

 

Protip for those who like chocolate and strawberry:

Play on 3rd person enabled server and use numpad-enter frequently.

 

Edit

Added some points.

Edited March 30, 2014 by Ken Bean

[gibonez 3633]

 

 

Now I see some still demand more, so...

- Nope, the 3rd person view is not unfair. Everyone can use it.

- Nope, 3rd person is not an exploit. It's game design intentionally built in to be used by everyone who wishes so.

- Nope, 3rd person is not broken. It's a very well working game feature.

- Nope, 3rd person is not less immersive. The clumsy and limited 1st person view breaks the immerson more effectively.

- Nope, you can't prove that 1st person is the only legit way to play the game. It's just your opinion, because you personally may favour one over the other.

- Nope, the restricted and imperfect 1st person view alone is not more realistic.

- Yes, the game intends to be more than a death match. Seeing your character doing survival stuff actually helps to create a survival feeling.

- Yes, there already is a very well working solution for those who feel threatened by a game feature like the 3rd person view: 1st person only server.

- Yes, you still can have "only one". Just ignore the other choice completely and play what you prefer most. No one forces you to play both ways.

 

Did you read the thread ?

 

Nobody is asking to remove 3pp.

 

The thread is about a mod that could potentially fix all of the grievances some players have with 3pp and then finally get rid of the 2 hive system in place now.

 

so that the community is not fragmented and is on the same hive.

 

The mod lets you keep your third person view nothing would change for you.

[Martmital 436]

The 1PP kiddies still crying...  they have no shame.  

 

As stated before, those of you who cry about being killed in 3PP servers are too small a minority for BI to bother with.  Face it, most players don't care and while the majority are of that mindset, BI won't bother spending more money trying to keep all you 1PP crutch players happy.  

[Weedz 1105]

The 1PP kiddies still crying...  they have no shame.  

 

As stated before, those of you who cry about being killed in 3PP servers are too small a minority for BI to bother with.  Face it, most players don't care and while the majority are of that mindset, BI won't bother spending more money trying to keep all you 1PP crutch players happy.  

Yep the game is to far gone to the easy mode kids. Kinda sad as the entire point of this game was to be a game like the ones us hardcore gamers grew up on where the enjoyment comes from the fact that it kicks you in the face and makes it as hard as possible and not another mainstream shitshow I can beat with my eyes closed. I guess Rocket gave up on that.

Edited March 30, 2014 by Weedz

[joe_mcentire 2074]

where players and zombies pop in and out of existence like USS Enterprise away teams and completely destroy the immersion. 

sorry. but that is just not easy for me to grasp. breaking immersion by allowing a massive imbalance due to being able to see around/over walls/corners and saying that is perfectly ok and at the same time stating that such a "fix" would be immersion-killing is just illogical (at least) to me.

 

how could you possibly explain that? everyone arguing the same way, i really would like to understand why the first issue is perfectly ok but the second one is unacceptable and immersion-breaking from your point of view?

Edited March 30, 2014 by joe_mcentire