Mauser C96

[Chaingunfighter 917]

That's the tt-33, the cz-52, the c96, the ppsh, the ppd-40, and the pps-43. I think that's a fair amount of guns that could use the (fictional) caliber.

 

The reason I like the 7.62 round idea is because it has a higher fps than the 9mm and .45 rounds and thus should penetrate armor, clothing, vehicles, and buildings better. Also, it's a smidgeon flatter shooting. It's just a unique fun round, and I feel this would be lost if they just went with generic calibers.

 

The 7.63 mauser also comes out screaming at 1400-1500 fps. And the tokarev is anywhere from 1200 from the super super low end, up to 1600+ fps.

But the PPD-40 and PPSh-41 aren't a whole lot different, and the C96, TT-33, and CZ-52 are three semi-automatic handguns. Sure, it's five guns, but from a pragmatic viewpoint the major difference is between 2 or three of them.

That, and we already have plenty of pistol rounds. .380 ACP for compact pistols, 9x19mm & .45 ACP for most standard handguns, .22LR for alternate pistols & revolvers, and .357 Magnum for large-caliber revolvers. 7.62x25mm is a unique round but honestly I don't think even 5 firearms is enough to justify another standard handgun caliber. That, and the fact that essentially all of them can be done with a currently existing caliber renders it moot.

[agouti 105]

But the PPD-40 and PPSh-41 aren't a whole lot different, and the C96, TT-33, and CZ-52 are three semi-automatic handguns. Sure, it's five guns, but from a pragmatic viewpoint the major difference is between 2 or three of them.

That, and we already have plenty of pistol rounds. .380 ACP for compact pistols, 9x19mm & .45 ACP for most standard handguns, .22LR for alternate pistols & revolvers, and .357 Magnum for large-caliber revolvers. 7.62x25mm is a unique round but honestly I don't think even 5 firearms is enough to justify another standard handgun caliber. That, and the fact that essentially all of them can be done with a currently existing caliber renders it moot.

 

The 7.62 tokarev can penetrate kevlar helmets and level II NIJ vests. Even the .357 magnum can't penetrate these. When armor gets implemented into the game, this would be the only handgun round that can penetrate them. Seems to me to be a good reason to have them.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

The 7.62 tokarev can penetrate kevlar helmets and level II NIJ vests. Even the .357 magnum can't penetrate these. When armor gets implemented into the game, this would be the only handgun round that can penetrate them. Seems to me to be a good reason to have them.

But there are only 2-3 guns that aren't too special otherwise that would actually be done for that.

 

Being able to penetrate body armor alone isn't something I'd use to justify, at most, 5 guns (four of which are, for all intents and purposes in a video game, paired copies of another). That, and they could just add armor piercing and hollow point variants of existing ammunition.

 

That, and the 7.63 Mauser was much lower velocity, so you wouldn't want to give the Mauser C96 a Tokarev round.

 

I just don't see the point. We don't even know what kinds of body armor they'll add, and it'll likely just be a few generic ballistic vests, rather than actual Class I/Class II/Class III types and so forth.

[agouti 105]

But there are only 2-3 guns that aren't too special otherwise that would actually be done for that.

 

Being able to penetrate body armor alone isn't something I'd use to justify, at most, 5 guns (four of which are, for all intents and purposes in a video game, paired copies of another). That, and they could just add armor piercing and hollow point variants of existing ammunition.

 

That, and the 7.63 Mauser was much lower velocity, so you wouldn't want to give the Mauser C96 a Tokarev round.

 

I just don't see the point. We don't even know what kinds of body armor they'll add, and it'll likely just be a few generic ballistic vests, rather than actual Class I/Class II/Class III types and so forth.

 

This is going to sound coarse, but hear me out. The 7.63 mauser rounds have a lower pressure, but will propel an 80 something grain round at 1400 fps. This will penetrate many NIJ II vests. Here comes the coarse part: you can use 7.63 mauser rounds in 7.62 tokarev guns, but the bullet diameter is a bit thin, and accuracy won't be optimal. You can also use 7.62 tokarev rounds in 7.63 mauser guns. They won't explode in your face, but they will wear out faster. 

 

Here's the real coarse part: In the DayZ universe, you'll be dead before you have a chance to wear out your mauser.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

This is going to sound coarse, but hear me out. The 7.63 mauser rounds have a lower pressure, but will propel an 80 something grain round at 1400 fps. This will penetrate many NIJ II vests. Here comes the coarse part: you can use 7.63 mauser rounds in 7.62 tokarev guns, but the bullet diameter is a bit thin, and accuracy won't be optimal. You can also use 7.62 tokarev rounds in 7.63 mauser guns. They won't explode in your face, but they will wear out faster. 

 

Here's the real coarse part: In the DayZ universe, you'll be dead before you have a chance to wear out your mauser.

That's probably true.

 

Whatever, I just don't see any real good reason for adding it. I'm not at all opposed to it, I just don't advocate for it either.

[DURRHUNTER 597]

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[AP_Norris 1018]

This is going to sound coarse, but hear me out. The 7.63 mauser rounds have a lower pressure, but will propel an 80 something grain round at 1400 fps. This will penetrate many NIJ II vests. Here comes the coarse part: you can use 7.63 mauser rounds in 7.62 tokarev guns, but the bullet diameter is a bit thin, and accuracy won't be optimal. You can also use 7.62 tokarev rounds in 7.63 mauser guns. They won't explode in your face, but they will wear out faster. 

 

Here's the real coarse part: In the DayZ universe, you'll be dead before you have a chance to wear out your mauser.

I think they should add both rounds to be honest.

7.63 ones should be a lot rarer though.

[DURRHUNTER 597]

7.63 ones should be a lot rarer though.

that new ammo type tho :/

itll be easier for the devs to just make the Shanxi Type 17 in .45 ACP and the 'Red 9' 9mm

[agouti 105]

I think they should add both rounds to be honest.

7.63 ones should be a lot rarer though.

 

Naw, just put in 7.62 tokarev. You will long be dead before it could degrade. I walked out a house and broke my leg and was pummeled to death by a passing fresh spawn, then just died twice during 2 random server resets.

[gibonez 3633]

that new ammo type tho :/

itll be easier for the devs to just make the Shanxi Type 17 in .45 ACP and the 'Red 9' 9mm

 

With 5.45 being added, .30-06 being very likely, and 7.62x54r being fixed in the future I don't think the devs are as reluctant to add a new caliber into the game.

[AP_Norris 1018]

With 5.45 being added, .30-06 being very likely, and 7.62x54r being fixed in the future I don't think the devs are as reluctant to add a new caliber into the game.

Which is awesome.

[DURRHUNTER 597]

Any news on the Mauser from the devs lately?

Edited February 13, 2015 by DURRHUNTER

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

 

Being able to penetrate body armor alone isn't something I'd use to justify, at most, 5 guns (four of which are, for all intents and purposes in a video game, paired copies of another). That, and they could just add armor piercing and hollow point variants of existing ammunition.

 

Why do you include the PPD-40 but always exclude the PPS-42/3? (Which was WAY more common than the PPD, remained in production until the late 1940s, and acts way different than the PPSh)

 

There are also versions of the CZ-52 with nice target sights, and from my experience the CZ-52 is much easier to shoot accurately than the TT. (Though I would rather just have the TT, as even this is little difference)

but there are more 7.62 tok guns than you might think. Versions of the Bizon use it, (with a vertical 35-round mag), and the Czech Vz.24 and 26, (Which was also available in 9x19 as the Vz.23 to be fair) could be a nice compact Uzi-style weapon with a nasty armor-piercing bite.

 

So there's what? atleast 7 guns with different characteristics (PPSh is the "Trench Broom", the PPS is the crappy slow-firing SMG, the Bizon is modular and sits between the two and the Vz.24/26 is the Compact unique gun, while the CZ-52 is the more accurate Tokarev and the C/96 is the cool one).

 

And think about this: They've pretty much capped out the .357, they really can't add more than four 7.62x54r (SVT, mosin, SVD, PKM)  guns, and there's only about 3 guns they can really add that shoot 5.45x39 rounds (The AK-74s and the RPK-74, though some rarer guns could be an option - AN-94 anyone?)  And there's a fairly limited number of .380 guns that are actually different. and .30-06, only the Garand and a Model 70. Oh wait, there's the M1919 and the BAR... just no.

[star-lord252 83]

Love this weapon I want the c96 red nine variant I think its from Russia and can fit in better than the other one. For attachments stock would be cool scope as well. Not sure how this doesn't fit in many of these were made there were even machine pistol variants. For one I see this as a collective gun why because it looks weird and odd and bewildering to look at and so on.

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

 

Still want.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[DURRHUNTER 597]

Love this weapon I want the c96 red nine variant I think its from Russia and can fit in better than the other one. For attachments stock would be cool scope as well. Not sure how this doesn't fit in many of these were made there were even machine pistol variants. For one I see this as a collective gun why because it looks weird and odd and bewildering to look at and so on.

you would be correct on the machine pistol variant, it is called the M172/M712 Schnellfeur.

Edited February 13, 2015 by DURRHUNTER

[star-lord252 83]

you would be correct on the machine pistol variant, it is called the M172/M712 Schnellfeur.

I just knew there was one I just didn't know what it was really called. I think there were very few 1911s converted to fire automatically. I like the APS for a machine pistol but chamber it for 9mm since it can.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Why do you include the PPD-40 but always exclude the PPS-42/3? (Which was WAY more common than the PPD, remained in production until the late 1940s, and acts way different than the PPSh)

 

There are also versions of the CZ-52 with nice target sights, and from my experience the CZ-52 is much easier to shoot accurately than the TT. (Though I would rather just have the TT, as even this is little difference)

but there are more 7.62 tok guns than you might think. Versions of the Bizon use it, (with a vertical 35-round mag), and the Czech Vz.24 and 26, (Which was also available in 9x19 as the Vz.23 to be fair) could be a nice compact Uzi-style weapon with a nasty armor-piercing bite.

 

So there's what? atleast 7 guns with different characteristics (PPSh is the "Trench Broom", the PPS is the crappy slow-firing SMG, the Bizon is modular and sits between the two and the Vz.24/26 is the Compact unique gun, while the CZ-52 is the more accurate Tokarev and the C/96 is the cool one).

 

And think about this: They've pretty much capped out the .357, they really can't add more than four 7.62x54r (SVT, mosin, SVD, PKM)  guns, and there's only about 3 guns they can really add that shoot 5.45x39 rounds (The AK-74s and the RPK-74, though some rarer guns could be an option - AN-94 anyone?)  And there's a fairly limited number of .380 guns that are actually different. and .30-06, only the Garand and a Model 70. Oh wait, there's the M1919 and the BAR... just no.

 

I tend to throw the PPS and PPSh into the same bowl because the PPS is basically just a slow firing PPSh built completely out of metal that isn't compatible with drum mags. Would be pointless to have both IMO and the PPSh-41 would be better for gameplay and make more sense.

 

TT-33 would obviously be the must have weapon if they were to add 7.62x25. CZ-52 would be a cool addition but when considering everything it's very similar to the Tokarev. Yes, it's got better iron sights and is just generally a higher quality pistol but both of them are 8 round pistols with a marginal difference in accuracy, so you can't really say the CZ-52 would be much more than just increasing the variety of 7.62x25 guns available. (I have no problem with that.)

 

The SA Vz. 24 and 26 are basically the same gun - one has a wooden stock and the other has a metal folding stock, and they're otherwise the same, so they wouldn't need both. This gun was actually standard produced in 9x19mm (SA Vz. 23 and SA Vz. 25) but if they added 7.62x25 I'd have no problem with the Tok variants of these, they fit the setting well enough.

 

Bizon is another but I'd prefer they did the .380 ACP variant if they planned on adding it - it still uses a near identical 64 round drum which is the iconic feature of the Bizon, rather than a 35 round magazine. Two mid-end SMGs (PPSh and SA Vz. 24/26) are more than enough for a caliber I'd expect was meant to be a niche role.

 

C96 is very likely to be the Red-9 at this point, based on dev comments, so I doubt a 7.62x25 version will happen.

 

 

.357 can still use a few more guns for variety, but I agree that unless they want to add something like a Desert Eagle or AutoMag semi-auto pistol there's not a whole lot they can do that would be a whole lot different. 7.62x54R would have the SVT-40, SVD, Mosin, and PKM as the base firearms, but there's more they can do; the Winchester M1895, which I actually support having as an alternative to the Repeater - the SV-98, a bolt-action Eastern sniper rifle, - the DP-28, a very unique machine gun - and the PM M1910, a rarer vehicle/tripod mounted base weapon. 5.45 will, of course, need the RPK-74 to bolster it, and I wouldn't mind having an AN-94, AK-12, AK-107, and/or AK-105 to bolster them with some rarer ones, but there's a pretty unique German hunting rifle called the SSG-82 that uses 5.45x39mm rounds, and also some variants of the Saiga rifle use it as well (They don't need to be added, though, as 5.45 might be intended as a strictly police/military caliber.) .380 is limited but there are plenty of ones that could top it off.

 

 

.30-06 has never actually been confirmed and only mentioned a very small number of times (specifically by Dean, who isn't on the team anymore.) Were they to add it I'd hope they mainly focused on civilian hunting rifles with the Garand being a really rare gun. I am biased, though, and love the Browning M1919 (not the BAR, don't care for that), so I wouldn't complain if they added that either :P. It isn't really necessary, as long as they split .308 and 7.62x54mmR into two separate calibers they'll have plenty of civilian and military rifles available and .30-06 would in essence just be a civilian only caliber - pointless, if you ask me, but I'm not on the team so I can't speak for anyone.

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

I tend to throw the PPS and PPSh into the same bowl because the PPS is basically just a slow firing PPSh built completely out of metal that isn't compatible with drum mags. Would be pointless to have both IMO and the PPSh-41 would be better for gameplay and make more sense.

 

TT-33 would obviously be the must have weapon if they were to add 7.62x25. CZ-52 would be a cool addition but when considering everything it's very similar to the Tokarev. Yes, it's got better iron sights and is just generally a higher quality pistol but both of them are 8 round pistols with a marginal difference in accuracy, so you can't really say the CZ-52 would be much more than just increasing the variety of 7.62x25 guns available. (I have no problem with that.)

 

The SA Vz. 24 and 26 are basically the same gun - one has a wooden stock and the other has a metal folding stock, and they're otherwise the same, so they wouldn't need both. This gun was actually standard produced in 9x19mm (SA Vz. 23 and SA Vz. 25) but if they added 7.62x25 I'd have no problem with the Tok variants of these, they fit the setting well enough.

 

Bizon is another but I'd prefer they did the .380 ACP variant if they planned on adding it - it still uses a near identical 64 round drum which is the iconic feature of the Bizon, rather than a 35 round magazine. Two mid-end SMGs (PPSh and SA Vz. 24/26) are more than enough for a caliber I'd expect was meant to be a niche role.

 

C96 is very likely to be the Red-9 at this point, based on dev comments, so I doubt a 7.62x25 version will happen.

 

 

.357 can still use a few more guns for variety, but I agree that unless they want to add something like a Desert Eagle or AutoMag semi-auto pistol there's not a whole lot they can do that would be a whole lot different. 7.62x54R would have the SVT-40, SVD, Mosin, and PKM as the base firearms, but there's more they can do; the Winchester M1895, which I actually support having as an alternative to the Repeater - the SV-98, a bolt-action Eastern sniper rifle, - the DP-28, a very unique machine gun - and the PM M1910, a rarer vehicle/tripod mounted base weapon. 5.45 will, of course, need the RPK-74 to bolster it, and I wouldn't mind having an AN-94, AK-12, AK-107, and/or AK-105 to bolster them with some rarer ones, but there's a pretty unique German hunting rifle called the SSG-82 that uses 5.45x39mm rounds, and also some variants of the Saiga rifle use it as well (They don't need to be added, though, as 5.45 might be intended as a strictly police/military caliber.) .380 is limited but there are plenty of ones that could top it off.

 

 

.30-06 has never actually been confirmed and only mentioned a very small number of times (specifically by Dean, who isn't on the team anymore.) Were they to add it I'd hope they mainly focused on civilian hunting rifles with the Garand being a really rare gun. I am biased, though, and love the Browning M1919 (not the BAR, don't care for that), so I wouldn't complain if they added that either :P. It isn't really necessary, as long as they split .308 and 7.62x54mmR into two separate calibers they'll have plenty of civilian and military rifles available and .30-06 would in essence just be a civilian only caliber - pointless, if you ask me, but I'm not on the team so I can't speak for anyone.

I have to disagree on the PPS. It would perform much differently than the PPSh, and seeing as, like the US M3, it remained in limited use with tankers until the ealy 1980s (At which point it was replaced by the AKS-74u) i'de say it's just as likely to be encountered as the PPSh.

And yes, i know the differnce between the Vz.24 and 26, and i didn't count both of them. What i would like to see from those is the Wood stock being an attachment.

And for the Bizon, i would also rather have a .380 version. I just threw that in there as another 7.62x25 weapon. I have a feeling that the 7.62 version is only available for production, but never actaully produced.

And for the C96, there's no reason they can't add it as 7.62 if they indeed go that rout. The AK-74m was re-purposed for the AK-101, afterall... just remove the "Red 9" from the grip.

I would love to see a DP-28 and Maxim (I actaully made a thread about the Maxim if you recall) and i honestly forgot about the Winchester, but i can't really picture finding one of these anywhere on the map. What i would like to see is an old Soviet weapon warehouse added to the map, where many of said weapons are still stored. It would be an interesting place where you could find a ton of old Weapons, from Mosins to Maxims and Winchesters, and maybe even some old Urals outside.

As for Modern Russian ARs, i'm all fore them (especially the AN-94 and AK-105) if they add Russian military crashsites. I can't really see the Chernarussian Government having these. (It could also spawn guns like to Mp443 and PP-19)

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

Oh, and as for the 1919, i keep seeing them in pictures from Iraq and Afghanistan, along with SG-43s, Maxims and Mg-42s. I'm assumng they were sold off from Israeli stocks, but they seem quite common. If they were to add some kind of "Criminal" spawn point, i'de be all for it.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I have to disagree on the PPS. It would perform much differently than the PPSh, and seeing as, like the US M3, it remained in limited use with tankers until the ealy 1980s (At which point it was replaced by the AKS-74u) i'de say it's just as likely to be encountered as the PPSh.

And yes, i know the differnce between the Vz.24 and 26, and i didn't count both of them. What i would like to see from those is the Wood stock being an attachment.

And for the Bizon, i would also rather have a .380 version. I just threw that in there as another 7.62x25 weapon. I have a feeling that the 7.62 version is only available for production, but never actaully produced.

And for the C96, there's no reason they can't add it as 7.62 if they indeed go that rout. The AK-74m was re-purposed for the AK-101, afterall... just remove the "Red 9" from the grip.

I would love to see a DP-28 and Maxim (I actaully made a thread about the Maxim if you recall) and i honestly forgot about the Winchester, but i can't really picture finding one of these anywhere on the map. What i would like to see is an old Soviet weapon warehouse added to the map, where many of said weapons are still stored. It would be an interesting place where you could find a ton of old Weapons, from Mosins to Maxims and Winchesters, and maybe even some old Urals outside.

As for Modern Russian ARs, i'm all fore them (especially the AN-94 and AK-105) if they add Russian military crashsites. I can't really see the Chernarussian Government having these. (It could also spawn guns like to Mp443 and PP-19)

.380 variant has likely not been produced beyond prototypes and demonstration versions either, it's just the fact that it's nearly identical to the real Bizon that makes me prefer it. Obviously the 9x18mm version is the only truly realistic one but because that caliber won't be implemented (anytime soon, at least) .380 is the best option.

Mauser is probably best as the 9x19 variant if they choose to add it as such, as the C96 was never really designed to shoot 7.62x25mm. You can certainly do it, but because the Red 9 was specifically designed with 9mm in mind it'd be more believable than having a bunch of 7.63 Mausers that only use 7.62x25. I mean, if they want to make it a 7.62x25 gun that's fine by me, but if 7.62x25 is meant to be a niche but powerful civilian/criminal caliber then I'd prefer they have fewer guns that use it, and the Tokarev + possibly CZ-52 would be enough in the form of pistols.

 

Winchesters wouldn't really be any more or less realistic than other lever-action rifles, because you just don't find too many of them in Eastern Europe in general. (The Rossi R92/Repeater wasn't a bad choice for what it was, though.) Despite the fact that they were sparsely used, a 7.62x54mmR lever-action rifle would be very unique. Plus, it has a 5 round internal magazine capacity, so the accuracy and round power would be "balanced" by the Repeater that has double the mag capacity (actually 11, but I digress), and by the Mosin which would be more common and has access to the PU scope.

[star-lord252 83]

I love the way it looks and how it doesn't need a mag. It would be really awesome if can have a stock attached to it. Of the c96s posted on there I would like the red 9 one because of how it uses 9mm but the 7.62×25mm one is good to because it will give an oppertunite to get the tt-33,ppsh41 and so on.

[AP_Norris 1018]

http://imgur.com/a/xvLDG  Hard work pays off comrades. 

 

Now to find my own.

Edited November 3, 2015 by AP_Norris

[-Gews- 7443]

Still need to find stock and targets.

[thefriendlydutchman 160]

Theres only one mauser that I want to see