Third person view removal from SA discussion

[The_Man 393]

This is a pointless argument thread now....everybody won. We got both dedicated 1st person and normal servers. I vote yard it lol :P

 

Yep. I'm waiting for the icon to turn into 

[soulfirez 901]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0fWg1UkGP8&feature=youtu.be&t=14m00s

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

This thread & discussion are not pointless until 3rd person is removed completely. The original post questions why we have to settle for splitting up the servers when they could remove it entirely.

 

It's not about us getting to play in first person, it's about the game and what we feel would improve it.

[The_Man 393]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0fWg1UkGP8&feature=youtu.be&t=14m00s

 

Oh hey cool! Exactly something I'd be fine with implementing as someone who loves third person. 

[The_Man 393]

This thread & discussion are not pointless until 3rd person is removed completely. The original post questions why we have to settle for splitting up the servers when they could remove it entirely.

 

It's not about us getting to play in first person, it's about the game and what we feel would improve it.

 

Looks like the video above exactly fixes the problem you guys are upset about without taking away third person. Taking it away is the wrong solution. The video shows one way to approach the problem. 

[Karmaterror 982]

This thread & discussion are not pointless until 3rd person is removed completely. The original post questions why we have to settle for splitting up the servers when they could remove it entirely.

 

It's not about us getting to play in first person, it's about the game and what we feel would improve it.

 

Well the player trend says you will loose many many players if you completly remove it. It would mess up the game for me completly. Yes theres issues with deviding players but thats probbably the best option to keep everyone happy. If you still want it completly removed then you are just bieng stubborn. Like i said...everybody won.

 

Also, that vid removes the "they can see past walls" argument, wich is the fundimental problem people have with 3rd. Add that and there isnt even any need for 1st only servers. Let alone trying to make the whole game 1st person.

Edited January 5, 2014 by Karmaterror

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

The fact that you guys are so supporting of the system in that video shows that this discussion is not pointless. Even with the split servers.

 

I'm not saying removal is the only solution, but it's the solution I would go with. Build the game around the first person perspective, get that working perfectly, and then work on reintroducing 3rd person in a better way. Perhaps using the method in the video. I personally don't care for the visuals of that method, but it does eliminate most of the problems.

 

Point is, until they change the way third person can be used, this will always be up for discussion.

[Karmaterror 982]

Im not getting sucked into the old circle debate.

 

Some people wanted 1st only.....some wanted it to stay the same.....now theres both options, and 1st has the level playing field they wanted.....we all got what we wanted....why isnt everyone happy! lol

[Kalvarin 2]

Im not getting sucked into the old circle debate.

 

Some people wanted 1st only.....some wanted it to stay the same.....now theres both options, and 1st has the level playing field they wanted.....we all got what we wanted....why isnt everyone happy! lol

 

Because he hasn't "won" until he's forced half a million players into his playstyle and alienated much of the playerbase... no pleasing some people :P

[libertine 351]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0fWg1UkGP8&feature=youtu.be&t=14m00s

Thats fricken perfect!

[anderse 10]

anyone that like first person only and want to play something now should check out the only remaining 1st person server in the Arma 2 DayZ mod. It's on the server SE2 in Dayzero. Not only the only remaining 1st person server, it also runs on the very best mod ever created for this game. It beats this standalone nonsense so hard that that it's not even a challenge.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Because he hasn't "won" until he's forced half a million players into his playstyle and alienated much of the playerbase... no pleasing some people :P

 

You're pretty much spot on here. It's as irrational as people demanding 3rd person stay in the game. We all just want what we think is best for DayZ.

[Karmaterror 982]

You're pretty much spot on here. It's as irrational as people demanding 3rd person stay in the game. We all just want what we think is best for DayZ.

 

Nope....we arent trying to take something away form 1st person players......you however are trying to take what has been an integral part of the game for many years away.....and simply for your preference....which as stated is already catered for. You dont see people that play 3rd saying we should completly remove 1st.....because that would be a better comparison.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

I want what I believe is best for DayZ. Of course that's going to coincide with my personal preference. Weather that preference is catered for in server settings is irrelevant, I'm not concerned with my gaming as a player of DayZ. I'm concerned with the development of this game as a hardcore survival simulation.

 

A good comparison was if they added the ability to do medical procedures on yourself. But, it was a server setting. Some people wouldn't want that to even be an option in DayZ.

 

I've never felt like third person fit into arma, so the more you guys bring up that history, the more I just roll my eyes at that argument. DayZ changed a lot of things that were a part of Arma, it's not like Arma was ever killing in sales, most of us haven't played this series for the last 10 years, so it's a rather pointless argument to keep bringing up to me every post. If there's good reasons why it's been a part of the series all this time, argue those, don't just point at it's presence as reason enough to keep it.

Edited January 5, 2014 by bad_mojo

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

anyone that like first person only and want to play something now should check out the only remaining 1st person server in the Arma 2 DayZ mod. It's on the server SE2 in Dayzero. Not only the only remaining 1st person server, it also runs on the very best mod ever created for this game. It beats this standalone nonsense so hard that that it's not even a challenge.

There's a reason there's only 1 first person server left in the mod. Because nobody plays first person except a VERY small minority.

If you take out 3rd person from DayZ the game will tank. That simple.

[Karmaterror 982]

Its not its presence....its the fact it had continued to be present for those 10 years. Its a popular feature. And im sorry but weather your play style is catered for or not is completely relevent. As it stands you can have you experience of  hardcore, I can have my 3rd.....give me 1 good reason to strip 3rd person away now that we have the server options.....just 1...

 

If your experience is catered for why this need to try and interfere with other peoples. If you want to play the first person the 3rd servers will not effect you 1 bit. Theres no gain in taking away a popular feature, not for players and not for the game.

 

Now your going off topic.....what exactly did dayz change about arma2? Appart from using it as a platform for some genius scripting. And now its about how dayz helped arma sales....this is 3rd person debate....like i say... give me one good reason to strip it out now?

[crazedawg 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0fWg1UkGP8&feature=youtu.be&t=14m00s

This or just remove it!

 

My thoughts on why it should stay or go:

Why I want it to be removed? It's simple: IMMERSION of gaming experience! ( I can remember rocket saying he would remove it just for that reason)

Why should it stay? A lot of players got used to "easy"-mode, and it will scare them off. Therefore the solution in the video above is simply perfect if 3rd person view should stay.

[tommes 331]

Watch the language please.

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Don't any of you remember what this topic turned into last time?

I do remember exactly. That's why I talk to Ken Bean this way.

If you want to keep this thread taking the exact same route then keep him from posting here.

(I'm aware this won't happen as I'm aware 3PP is there to stay. My only goal here is to make at least some people think a little more and maybe even convince them...or at least making them use better arguments.)

[tommes 331]

Im sure some one has already mentioned this somewhere in this thread but they could just take a look at how the 2017 mod for arma 3 guys have done a LOS script for third person it will not render anything your character cant see (by simply checking what he could see from the first person view.

 

As developers i am sure they could do a much better job than a couple modders did aye ( and there work is awesome ) then bang no need to have seperate servers to play on the 3rd person view no longer has any exploitable mechanics ( ya can still lift ya camera up and swing it around as always just it doesnt render anything you couldnt actually see.

 

PS would love if they did this secretly without telling people it be such a laugh to know all those who enjoy hiding in impossible to see locations and using the camera to get a full (nearly ) 360 view of anything moving would be sitting camping for nothing cause people could walk right past there hidden location and the camper would never see them ( as again it only renders what they could see by checking what it sees in first person.

 

PPS 2017 and breaking point are awesome dayz mods for arma 3 now..

That's not bad. I would take it over splitting hives. However I think it's not the perfect solution exactly because it's not intuitive. People would still use it to look over fences and stuff and get some tactical relevant information...which could lead into a false sense of security and backfire. That wouldn't be really dramatic and as I said, I'd take it over splitting hives any day, but I think it can be done better with like camera closer to the head or something.

But it's great to see that the issue is taken seriously by many and that solutions are in the making.

[Inception. 9443]

I do remember exactly. That's why I talk to Ken Bean this way.

If you want to keep this thread taking the exact same route then keep him from posting here.

(I'm aware this won't happen as I'm aware 3PP is there to stay. My only goal here is to make at least some people think a little more and maybe even convince them...or at least making them use better arguments.)

 

It does not take two to tango for no reason.

[tommes 331]

This is a pointless argument thread now....everybody won. We got both dedicated 1st person and normal servers. I vote yard it lol :P

Dividing hives ain't a real solution. It's only a crutch to get around certain problems while not having the means to really address the core of the problem...very much like 3PP.

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Its not its presence....its the fact it had continued to be present for those 10 years. Its a popular feature. And im sorry but weather your play style is catered for or not is completely relevent. As it stands you can have you experience of  hardcore, I can have my 3rd.....give me 1 good reason to strip 3rd person away now that we have the server options.....just 1...

 

If your experience is catered for why this need to try and interfere with other peoples. If you want to play the first person the 3rd servers will not effect you 1 bit. Theres no gain in taking away a popular feature, not for players and not for the game.

 

Now your going off topic.....what exactly did dayz change about arma2? Appart from using it as a platform for some genius scripting. And now its about how dayz helped arma sales....this is 3rd person debate....like i say... give me one good reason to strip it out now?

 

What did dayz change from Arma? Names tags, squads, markers, teams, HUD, inventory, missions, mutiplayer architecture, it was also the driving force in fixing a lot of bugs in Arma.

 

Why strip 3rd person out now? Because it's "exploitable", and you have to admit if they are going to try removing it, the sooner the better.

 

Also, after having played both options for extended periods of time, I feel like the first person perspective is the more difficult of the two. So, in the spirit of the game being consistently difficult, I think first person should be the only option.

[tommes 331]

Well the player trend says you will loose many many players if you completly remove it.

I believe the majority of players would complain a lot and then deal with it and keep playing. Back in September some dude made several polls about that here and on reddit and the vast majority would rather play 3PP:off than to not play DayZ at all.

But we will never find out because 3PP is going to stay in some form or the other.

[Karmaterror 982]

Nametags....disabled.....built in arma 2 option on expert servers

Squads......spawn as an un grouped individual.......anyone can do that on the editor

What markes?? the ones you place....in arma vanilla

What teams?? dont get that one

HUD....Yes very intuative and an awsome creation.......never made it into arma 2 and didnt appear in arma 3

Inventory......very nicely reskinned......but only late in the mods life......never made it into arma 3....in fact dayz SA uses closer to A3's inventyory system.

What missions?

Mutiplayer architecture in the mod was completly vanilla arma.....hence the reason to make the SA

 

Il give you the last one ;)

 

Dayz didnt change Arma2, if i fire up combined opps there isnt a hint of dayz in there atall.

 

 

Who is going to exploit 3rd person on your 1st person server? answer NOBODY

Edited January 5, 2014 by Karmaterror

[serenityrick 218]

Sigh. It was promising at first.. I Favorited several full 3PP:OFF servers once they went live and now, only a few days later they are either empty or have been switched back over to 3PP:ON

 

This honestly sucks.