Third person view removal from SA discussion

[drunkenteddybear 9]

this thread is the /b/ of dayz forums.

[reapers239 57]

Oh, your eyes can zoom in and out like that? I wasn't aware that your eyes could change the size of a target from being a little dot to 1cm tall. Poor reason you gave. Does not change the fact that your character in game can change how their eye decides to view the world around them lmao. 

 

Yes, third person is faulty like that. Even if you couldn't fire your gun in third person it still would not fix the problem. Third person won't be removed simply because people enjoy seeing their character and prefer to see the world in that perspective. The developers will alter third person in a way that will prevent people seeing through walls and peeking around corners. You will be happy and I will be happy. The developer is not stupid to force part of the community to play like the rest of the community. This is how smart people approach problems. They fix them. They don't throw something integral to the engine away.

No, but we were trained to adjust our vision to the distance. My drill Sgt was a sniper and taught us a little trick so no zooming here ain't unrealistic.

As 3rd person goes leave things as it is, I use both removing an option is not a good idea and other are servers that already play only in first person. This whole topic useless tbh

[Gerandar 212]

No, but we were trained to adjust our vision to the distance. My drill Sgt was a sniper and taught us a little trick so no zooming here ain't unrealistic.

As 3rd person goes leave things as it is, I use both removing an option is not a good idea and other are servers that already play only in first person. This whole topic useless tbh

 

so you can magically increae the size of an object thats 30 feet away? you can make it more crisp by focusing but not zoom to the target making it appear closer.

[tommes 331]

To the 50+ people who said "blah blah so that's a moot point":

 

The word "moot" actually means "up for debate". You're literally saying the opposite of what you mean by using that word ignorantly, lol.

Thx for the tip. Caught that phrase somewhere. Then read it as "meh" instead or whatever. You get the meaning.

[reapers239 57]

so you can magically increae the size of an object thats 30 feet away? you can make it more crisp by focusing but not zoom to the target making it appear closer.

Really man? The other thread now this one too? Go read sights training and tips the army has is all about training your eyes. And that's what the zooming in iron sights is based.

[tommes 331]

My goodness.  This argument sounds like "Cigarette smoke is awful and it's bad and it ruins the experience for everyone".  Which is why some cities are smoke free in the public.  They listened to your opinion.  You now have the option to create your own environment but that isn't good enough!?  It's like the non-smokers complaining that since the creation of smoke-free environments anymore, the night-life has suffered (factual statement in my city).  So the resolution is ban smoking?

 

People just need something to complain about.

We have pretty strict regulations for smoking. You just can't smoke inside a club, bar or restaurant. There was a lot of complaining at first but everybody is dealing fine with it now. I'm saying this as a casual smoker. Nightlife didn't suffer for me because of those restrictions and having smoke free air inside has it's perks. 

[daze23 549]

so you can magically increae the size of an object thats 30 feet away? you can make it more crisp by focusing but not zoom to the target making it appear closer.

it would be interesting if a game could better simulate how our two eyes focus on things, but I imagine it would take some rather complicated (and taxing) DOF effects

 

I think the mini zoom is a good compromise

[The_Man 393]

Really man? The other thread now this one too? Go read sights training and tips the army has is all about training your eyes. And that's what the zooming in iron sights is based.

 

Sorry, your eyes never and will never do that. 

[Gerandar 212]

Really man? The other thread now this one too? Go read sights training and tips the army has is all about training your eyes. And that's what the zooming in iron sights is based.

 

no amount of training will make my eyes ZOOM to the target and make it larger. focus does not = zoom but keep thinking it does.

[Element47 2480]

it boggles my mind how this discussion can still go one with possible solutions like the "fog of war" in 3rd. it keeps 3rd person while removing the exploitability, i'd assume everybody would be hugging&kissing and petitioning to implement it.

[daze23 549]

it boggles my mind how this discussion can still go one with possible solutions like the "fog of war" in 3rd. it keeps 3rd person while removing the exploitability, i'd assume everybody would be hugging&kissing and petitioning to implement it.

it they did something like that, I imagine people would be pretty upset. it might expose that people are full of crap when they claim they need 3rd person for all this other stuff. but ultimate I think many people would fight it if they can't see other players over/around cover

 

I also think it would be kind of awkward not being able to see certain things in 3rd person. it just seems like a kind of messy solution

Edited January 4, 2014 by daze23

[Canned Muffins 82]

Walking in first person makes me nauseous with how clunky and glitchy it is at the moment. When I am walking long distances it is a must to be in third person first person is for looting urban areas and engaging players. If third person was forced on everyone I would just stop playing and go back to the mod. We will have the separate hives for people who insist on first person but I still want to enjoy the game without a literal headache from walking in first person for 5-10 minutes. I rather be able to switch back and forth in the views but being locked to either one is a deal breaker for me. If the people who prefer first person can fill up and maintain populations on the servers/hives dedicated to them than let them do that I rather play the default  DayZ SA that includes 3rd person. I enjoy the realism but forcing views would simply remove the game aspect I still am looking for in this game.

Considering the majority of the game will be played with the player jogging or walking on foot I would prefer the 3rd person camera as does the majority of the DayZ community. It is fine to adjust the view so its less of a crutch when engaging players but it wont be removed. It wont be removed because this is still a game and people wont play if they are forced into 1st person with how this game currently handles it.

Edited January 4, 2014 by Canned Muffins

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Because it used to be like this in the mod. Dozen topics which say 1st person is the shiz, dozen polls which said more than a half want to play on first person only, massive complaining about 3rd person...

And whenever I joined a 1st person server, I was alone. There were a few, but empty. I really hope this is not going to happen to the SA yet again.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but if you 1st person advocates are not playing on that 1st person servers, who else?

Being brute to yourself wont help ya much.

Promise to stopp that before we fall in love.

 

If you want to make an actual point about that, shouldn't there have been a full first person server in the mod at all times? You know, so we couldn't simply say we don't like playing alone?

 

I'm not going to go sit in an empty club and try to meet people, even if they have a dress code I like. Not when there's 5 more down the street packed to capacity at all times.

 

"but if you'd just sit in the server and wait for it to fill up!" yeah, we've all tried. But, after a few days of doing that you get bored and actually want to play the game again. Stop acting like we just say we like 1st person to look cool or appear more hardcore. It's people like you who labeled us hardcore or whatever you want to call it, we just don't want 3rd person to be part of the game.

 

Let them remove 3rd person and see how many of us complain. That's the REAL test if we're bluffing.

[gibonez 3633]

no amount of training will make my eyes ZOOM to the target and make it larger. focus does not = zoom but keep thinking it does.

 

You don't understand what the zoom simulates.

 

It does not simulate focus. It simulates resolution.

 

Your computer monitor only renders images at 1080p for example meanwhile your eyes can see resolutions FAR FAR FAR greater than this the problem that is encountered is without the zoom mechanic it is impossible to render long distance objects due to the pixel count.

[Ken Bean 175]

If you want to make an actual point about that, shouldn't there have been a full first person server in the mod at all times? You know, so we couldn't simply say we don't like playing alone?

I'm not going to go sit in an empty club and try to meet people, even if they have a dress code I like. Not when there's 5 more down the street packed to capacity at all times.

"but if you'd just sit in the server and wait for it to fill up!" yeah, we've all tried. But, after a few days of doing that you get bored and actually want to play the game again. Stop acting like we just say we like 1st person to look cool or appear more hardcore. It's people like you who labeled us hardcore or whatever you want to call it, we just don't want 3rd person to be part of the game.

Let them remove 3rd person and see how many of us complain. That's the REAL test if we're bluffing.

Well dude, I already tested it an can honestly say that being limited to first person only, I dont like that too much. For various reasons, that already has been said, again and again and again ... plus, I really like 3rd person view. :-)

And clearly you guys were claiming to be hardcore, I can show you dozens of posts that say "3rd person = easymode, 1st person = hardcore". This also already has been discussed to an extend before that other thread was closed. There really is nothing new. Everything goes in eternal cycles on that matter.

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To that realism discussion regarding the zoom, did you know how close I have to be to my 24" monitor in order to not to see the frame? I didn't. Did you know that I sit round about 1.5 metres away from it? Even if I use a 50" TV, I'm not only sitting 50 cm afar from it, nope, maybe two metres. I think you are probably sitting on you PC or maybe 40 cm away? So I'm certain, I'm doing it wrong, right?

So now, I know there are some fighter, maybe sitting "in" DayZ, surroundet by 12 monitors. And then there comes one and zooms, bloody hell, this is unfair!!!111^^

But something can be done, like limiting fov and setting the zoom accordingly.

Overall, I'm not a big fan of removing game features.

Edited January 4, 2014 by Ken Bean

[tommes 331]

Well dude, I already tested it an can honestly say that being limited to first person only, I dont like that too much. For various reasons, that already has been said, again and again and again ... plus, I really like 3rd person view. :-)

That sure was disputed many many times by like everyone...because we all care about what you like or not.

And clearly you guys were claiming to be hardcore, I can show you dozens of posts that say "3rd person = easymode, 1st person = hardcore". This also already has been discussed to an extend before that other thread was closed. There really is nothing new. Everything goes in eternal cycles on that matter.

What we actually claimed is that you guys are pussies. That doesn't really make us hardcore. Only not pussies...or dicks. And dicks fuck pussies...and assholes...you know?

Now, what's the matter with you? There are plenty of 3PP:on servers out there where you can play dress up with your barbie doll...uhm...character. No need for you to complain.

[Ken Bean 175]

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Edited January 4, 2014 by Ken Bean

[Plasma49 7]

I am so FUCKING sick of people who consider themselves to be a higher race of humans because they use FPP

FPP makes me wanna puke, dont give me shit about headbob either

TPP helps me appreciate the beauty of the game

There are separate servers now so stop trying to turn DayZ into counterstrike

Kthx

Also TPP isnt a hack/ glitch as i've read several times, its part of the game so please gtfo

I swore to myself that I wouldnt post on this thread however some of the comments are so ridiculous that I couldnt

If you dont like TPP then the only logical thing to do is to be happy in your FPP servers

[Inception. 9443]

That sure was disputed many many times by like everyone...because we all care about what you like or not.

What we actually claimed is that you guys are pussies. That doesn't really make us hardcore. Only not pussies...or dicks. And dicks fuck pussies...and assholes...you know?

Now, what's the matter with you? There are plenty of 3PP:on servers out there where you can play dress up with your barbie doll...uhm...character. No need for you to complain.

 

Watch the language please.

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Don't any of you remember what this topic turned into last time?

[Ken Bean 175]

That sure was disputed many many times by like everyone...because we all care about what you like or not.

What we actually claimed is that you guys are pussies. That doesn't really make us hardcore. Only not pussies...or dicks. And dicks fuck pussies...and assholes...you know?

Now, what's the matter with you? There are plenty of 3PP:on servers out there where you can play dress up with your barbie doll...uhm...character. No need for you to complain.

Once the Oculus Rift is released there will be much more folks playing on 1st person server, provided it is being supported and the game is looking fancy.

The meantime being you should try to practice what you preach, tommes. Yeah, alone is a bit odd, but give it a vent. Can't be that hard. Where are your fellas then you need them?

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Well dude, I already tested it an can honestly say that being limited to first person only, I dont like that too much. For various reasons, that already has been said, again and again and again ... plus, I really like 3rd person view. :-)

And clearly you guys were claiming to be hardcore, I can show you dozens of posts that say "3rd person = easymode, 1st person = hardcore". This also already has been discussed to an extend before that other thread was closed. There really is nothing new. Everything goes in eternal cycles on that matter.

 

Us thinking 3rd person view is easy mode doesn't mean we think we're better people than you.

 

You guys need to stop making this a personal issue. We're discussing the mechanics of a game in development. Nobody is right or wrong, we all just have different opinions about how it should be.

 

Ever think we might be calling it "hardcore" because that's specifically what the developers themselves are calling the "first person only" hive? Calling it hardcore and claiming we're hardcore, are two very different things. I didn't see anyone puffying their chest claiming they're some kind of hardcore warrior survivalist. But, I'm not reading into it like you I guess.

Edited January 5, 2014 by bad_mojo

[Ken Bean 175]

Us thinking 3rd person view is easy mode doesn't mean we think we're better people than you.

You guys need to stop making this a personal issue. We're discussing the mechanics of a game in development. Nobody is right or wrong, we all just have different opinions about how it should be.

Ever think we might be calling it "hardcore" because that's specifically what the developers themselves are calling the "first person only" hive? Calling it hardcore and claiming we're hardcore, are two very different things. I didn't see anyone puffying their chest claiming they're some kind of hardcore warrior survivalist. But, I'm not reading into it like you I guess.

Maybe they did, sure I'd find a post of yours if I wanted to. But this isn't the point: Whatever you think you are, if you prefere a certain view, go play it. Instead hanging around 3rd person server the whole day doesn't make you ... whatever. Get it through?

But:

If you prefere 1st person only, you absolutely should play it. Because playing on 3rd person server makes you dissatisfied. And subsequently you complain.

Edited January 5, 2014 by Ken Bean

[bad_mojo (DayZ) 1204]

Please find me a post where I say I'm hardcore for playing in first person.

 

You're just going back to the false assumption that we still play on 3rd person servers. Focusing on the fact that first person servers fell into obscurity in the MOD. Totally ignoring the fact that people are currently playing on them in the standalone. Myself included.

 

Here's your reply when I asked you why you assume we don't play on first person servers...

Because it used to be like this in the mod. Dozen topics which say 1st person is the shiz, dozen polls which said more than a half want to play on first person only, massive complaining about 3rd person....

[soulfirez 901]

Im sure some one has already mentioned this somewhere in this thread but they could just take a look at how the 2017 mod for arma 3 guys have done a LOS script for third person it will not render anything your character cant see (by simply checking what he could see from the first person view.

 

As developers i am sure they could do a much better job than a couple modders did aye ( and there work is awesome ) then bang no need to have seperate servers to play on the 3rd person view no longer has any exploitable mechanics ( ya can still lift ya camera up and swing it around as always just it doesnt render anything you couldnt actually see.

 

PS would love if they did this secretly without telling people it be such a laugh to know all those who enjoy hiding in impossible to see locations and using the camera to get a full (nearly ) 360 view of anything moving would be sitting camping for nothing cause people could walk right past there hidden location and the camper would never see them ( as again it only renders what they could see by checking what it sees in first person.

 

PPS 2017 and breaking point are awesome dayz mods for arma 3 now..

[Karmaterror 982]

This is a pointless argument thread now....everybody won. We got both dedicated 1st person and normal servers. I vote yard it lol :P