November Round-up

[ZlobaRUS54 441]

Guys, please back on topic. SteamDB registered an update in the last 30 minutes!

[korrobravin 96]

Guys, please back on topic. SteamDB registered an update in the last 30 minutes!

 

 

Yeah, the server has a few people (Hicks, Matt, and a few others)  Perhaps small testings/tweaking?

[Skat3rat 1633]

Good one, you can actually read the description to understand what is even happening there. Like you got a clue what you're talking about. There's no reason for him to put his life on the line there in sake of the his squad taking fire or not. It could of been his last run with that idiotic movement he did there. This doesn't belong to any 'tactical' movement what so ever, he ran to the enemy on a hill without any cover at all, it almost became a suicide run thank god he survived it.

 

Please share all your combat experience and knowledge you have.  Tell me about how you saved your squad's life and and what tactical movements you made to keep yourself and fellow man alive.

 

Unless you have actually been in a real combat situation, you have no right to tell a real soldier what he did was stupid.

[Katana67 2907]

You all are assuming that our characters are clean slates. I really don't understand the so-called "civilian" focus that people try to read in to DayZ, and unfortunately in my opinion that has seeped in to the development process.

 

The average jackass, in my experience, doesn't even know how to operate a bolt-action rifle. Much less a light machine gun. But that's the point, our characters are not average jackasses.

 

To survive in Chernarus (up to the point where we "spawn"), our characters would obviously have to be extremely proficient at certain things. I also think some people here are underestimating the ingenuity of human beings. An M249 isn't a Rubik's Cube, it's a machine to be operated. Sure, it makes the initial exploratory process easier to be trained to operate a weapon. But that doesn't mean that it will be a hunk of useless metal in the hands of an un-trained individual. It doesn't therefore mean that a person will never be able to operate the weapon through trial-and-error, or finding a training manual.

 

The way I see it, we either have an across-the-board premise of weapon knowledge in our characters or a gradual system whereby reloads/accuracy/stances improve over a life.

 

I personally don't like the shying away from "military" stances and weapons for a variety of reasons, which my entire post history has demonstrated in detail. I was bummed when I first saw the "civilian" weapon animations with weapons and the pronounced chicken wing when aiming the AR-15. I just don't see a need for this, especially when it's purely aesthetic. Or rather, if you're going to make it purely aesthetic, have it improve over time. That way, it might be a useful tool in the toolbox of sorting through KOS. Whereby a player who's fired his/her weapon more, would "look" more proficient in handling a weapon.

Edited November 5, 2013 by Katana67

[alphamat 116]

Please share all your combat experience and knowledge you have.  Tell me about how you saved your squad's life and and what tactical movements you made to keep yourself and fellow man alive.

 

Unless you have actually been in a real combat situation, you have no right to tell a real soldier what he did was stupid.

 

I don't really agree with your logic there, take a look at this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUtyUTLeW1g

 

So everybody who has never been in a helicopter is not allowed to say that shit was stupid?? 

[Serova (DayZ) 174]

Please share all your combat experience and knowledge you have.  Tell me about how you saved your squad's life and and what tactical movements you made to keep yourself and fellow man alive.

 

Unless you have actually been in a real combat situation, you have no right to tell a real soldier what he did was stupid.

 

Lol what? I can tell someone he acted stupid no matter what his job is, also I don't see why I suddenly don't have the 'right' to tell a soldier his actions were wrong, he isn't above me or anything he is a human being like you and me who can make mistakes like anyone else. You don't know me and I don't know you and I would like to keep it that way.

 

I don't see why combat experience would change the fact that it was a idiotic and totally irresponsible movement of him. I do have the right to share my opinion and not you or anyone else can change that. The only one lacking some knowledge here is you if you can't tell right from wrong and you take this as a tactical movement. A tactical movement is gaining something and turning the situation into your benefit. Not just running in the line of fire like a total retard and covering it up as 'creating distraction to lead away the fire suppression on my squad'. He did not only endangered himself with that attempt to act as a living bait but added fuel to the fire by getting hurt and requesting urgent medical assistance causing the situation to turn from dangerous into disasterous. I think a lot of people would share the same opinion I have being in the military or not. It was a total failure and you know it.

 

Also you're fifteen years old my man. I don't think you have any sort of military background or more life experience then myself. Again, like you got a clue take a break kid.

Edited November 5, 2013 by Serova

[m.w. vindicator 880]

You all are assuming that our characters are clean slates. I really don't understand the so-called "civilian" focus that people try to read in to DayZ, and unfortunately in my opinion that has seeped in to the development process.

 

The average jackass, in my experience, doesn't even know how to operate a bolt-action rifle. Much less a light machine gun. But that's the point, our characters are not average jackasses.

 

To survive in Chernarus (up to the point where we "spawn"), our characters would obviously have to be extremely proficient at certain things. I also think some people here are underestimating the ingenuity of human beings. An M249 isn't a Rubik's Cube, it's a machine to be operated. Sure, it makes the initial exploratory process easier to be trained to operate a weapon. But that doesn't mean that it will be a hunk of useless metal in the hands of an un-trained individual. It doesn't therefore mean that a person will never be able to operate the weapon through trial-and-error, or finding a training manual.

 

The way I see it, we either have an across-the-board premise of weapon knowledge in our characters or a gradual system whereby stances/reloads/accuracy improves over a life.

 

I personally don't like the shying away from "military" stances and weapons for a variety of reasons, which my entire post history has demonstrated in detail. I was bummed when I first saw the "civilian" weapon animations with weapons and the pronounced chicken wing when aiming the AR-15. I just don't see a need for this, especially when it's purely aesthetic. Or rather, if you're going to make it purely aesthetic, have it improve over time. That way, it might be a useful tool in the toolbox of sorting through KOS. Whereby a player who's fired his/her weapon more, would "look" more proficient in handling a weapon.

 

 

It seems that there is no simple solution.  Some players want their characters to be civilians while others would prefer to be more military orientated.  

 

Maybe, down the line, one could select the level of experience there character has.  People who want to power game and people who would like to have some military experience would slide the slider to the military side.  People who would like to play as a civilian could slide the slider to the civilian side.  

 

Of course, having military experience would be "more powerful" than a civilian.  But many players would still play as a civilian due to various reasons.  Wanting to play on"hard" mode.  The role playing value would be good too.

 

Rocket has stated that he wants players to level up in the background.  People who put lots of car parts together eventually get better at it and doing it quicker.  People who put the slider on the military side would start with more weapon experience.  military standard reloading times.  military level aiming and recoil control. etc etc.  PLayers who choose to play as a civilian would be at a disadvantage.  Most multiplayer games can't do this because it wouldn't be balanced.  DayZ however, has never really been about balance, so the devs could do something like this I feel.  

 

Also the military experience should be at the experience  of a Chernarussian Defense Force (CDF) rifleman.  Not some spec-op.  The middle ground would be the experience of a NAPA guerilla or so.  

 

What do you all think?

[Katana67 2907]

Of course, having military experience would be "more powerful" than a civilian.  But many players would still play as a civilian due to various reasons.  Wanting to play on"hard" mode.  The role playing value would be good too.

 

Rocket has stated that he wants players to level up in the background.  People who put lots of car parts together eventually get better at it and doing it quicker.  People who put the slider on the military side would start with more weapon experience.  military standard reloading times.  military level aiming and recoil control. etc etc.  PLayers who choose to play as a civilian would be at a disadvantage.  Most multiplayer games can't do this because it wouldn't be balanced.  DayZ however, has never really been about balance, so the devs could do something like this I feel.  

 

Also the military experience should be at the experience  of a Chernarussian Defense Force (CDF) rifleman.  Not some spec-op.  The middle ground would be the experience of a NAPA guerilla or so.  

 

I think any initial difference, if they implement some sort of choice in backgrounds (which I'm not convinced they should), should be purely aesthetic. I do want them to encourage people to actually play their characters, and not use them as disposable mannequins. But I'm not sure pre-defined backgrounds are the way to go.

 

I'd rather the individual characters change over time, rather than being predisposed to some things. I think people are blowing the knowledge gap between military/civilian way out of proportion. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to center yourself and lower your elbow. Doing so doesn't automatically make one a soldier, or a SOF operator, or any of that.

[Skat3rat 1633]

I don't really agree with your logic there, take a look at this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUtyUTLeW1g

 

So everybody who has never been in a helicopter is not allowed to say that shit was stupid?? 

 

The difference is that the video you linked isn't a combat situation.  That was a guy who was just trying to show off.

 

Lol what? I can tell someone he acted stupid no matter what his job is, also I don't see why I suddenly don't have the 'right' to tell a soldier his actions were wrong, he isn't above me or anything he is a human being like you and me who can make mistakes like anyone else. You don't know me and I don't know you and I would like to keep it that way.

 

I don't see why combat experience would change the fact that it was a idiotic and totally irresponsible movement of him. I do have the right to share my opinion and not you or anyone else can change that. The only one lacking some knowledge here is you if you can't tell right from wrong and you take this as a tactical movement. A tactical movement is gaining something and turning the situation into your benefit. Not just running in the line of fire like a total retard and covering it up as 'creating distraction to lead away the fire suppression on my squad'. He did not only endangered himself with that attempt to act as a living bait but added fuel to the fire by getting hurt and requesting urgent medical assistance causing the situation to turn from dangerous into disasterous. I think a lot of people would share the same opinion I have being in the military or not. It was a total failure and you know it.

 

Also you're fifteen years old my man. I don't think you have any sort of military background or more life experience then myself. Again, like you got a clue take a break kid.

 

Like I said though, you have no military experience.  You can say all you want that you think what he did was dumb.  It is your opinion, but you have no clue what it's like to actually be in that situation.  Yes, I don't know what it's like to be getting shot at and in his situation either, but I'm not calling him stupid.  It's like when people complain about a football player making a dumb move.  You can say that all you want that what he did was dumb but he's out there making millions of dollars while you're there on your couch watching him.

 

As far as military background goes, I obviously am too young to enlist.  However there are things like Civil Air Patrol that I participated in a few times.  Obviously that isn't the same as actually being in the military but it's along the same lines.  On top of that majority of my family has served in the military.  My dad was in the Marines.  My uncle has fought in the Gulf Wars, and the War on Terrorism and is still currently serving in the Navy.  My grandfather on my dad's side of the family was in the 101st Airborne during Vietnam. His father was in the Infantry during WWII.  One of my great Uncles was a pilot in the 101st Airborne during Vietnam.  My great grandfather on my mother's side of the family was also in the Infantry during WWII and fought in the Battle of the Bulge.  

 

So while I personally don't have any real military experience, I have a lot of family who have served and told me stories, taught me stuff, etc.

Edited November 5, 2013 by Skat3rat

[Skeety 57]

I dont think they need to do anything goofy with the game especially in alpha! just make it the same damn game better graphics introduce a few small things like clothing, etc fix the hacker problems and release it in alpha, update all the other shenanigans as you wish through the alpha, beta phases!!! people are waiting here rocket geez man release the damn alpha. He acts like it will be the final product and it has to be PERFECT anything he releases now im sure would blow away the dayZ mod. 

[HumanBeing25 299]

I dont think they need to do anything goofy with the game especially in alpha! just make it the same damn game better graphics introduce a few small things like clothing, etc fix the hacker problems and release it in alpha, update all the other shenanigans as you wish through the alpha, beta phases!!! people are waiting here rocket geez man release the damn alpha. He acts like it will be the final product and it has to be PERFECT anything he releases now im sure would blow away the dayZ mod. 

Probably Bohemia Interactive has set a minimum requirement for him to be able to release the game, and he's working to meet those requirements

[Wayze 549]

I don't really agree with your logic there, take a look at this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUtyUTLeW1g

 

So everybody who has never been in a helicopter is not allowed to say that shit was stupid?? 

Now THAT was expensive.

[Skeety 57]

Probably Bohemia Interactive has set a minimum requirement for him to be able to release the game, and he's working to meet those requirements

 

That's true. But Damnit man! lol been waiting so long, Got super excited about the Nov 5th He say She say and i know i shouldn't have but he said its ready for a alpha release now he's just gotta make sure they gel, You would think they would do all that before they integrate them and say as a conclusion that they are ready for a alpha release, Just to back peddle and say Once we know everything works together lol.     

 

#SMDH!!!

[korrobravin 96]

So has there been any posts/tweets/information from any of the devs yet today?  Usually Hicks/someone else would have posted something by now...

[Owain1122 218]

So has there been any posts/tweets/information from any of the devs yet today?  Usually Hicks/someone else would have posted something by now...

 

I was kinda hoping for a dayz daily from Hicks but probably have to wait till tomorrow!

[Serova (DayZ) 174]

The difference is that the video you linked isn't a combat situation.  That was a guy who was just trying to show off.

 

 

Like I said though, you have no military experience.  You can say all you want that you think what he did was dumb.  It is your opinion, but you have no clue what it's like to actually be in that situation.  Yes, I don't know what it's like to be getting shot at and in his situation either, but I'm not calling him stupid.  It's like when people complain about a football player making a dumb move.  You can say that all you want that what he did was dumb but he's out there making millions of dollars while you're there on your couch watching him.

 

As far as military background goes, I obviously am too young to enlist.  However there are things like Civil Air Patrol that I participated in a few times.  Obviously that isn't the same as actually being in the military but it's along the same lines.  On top of that majority of my family has served in the military.  My dad was in the Marines.  My uncle has fought in the Gulf Wars, and the War on Terrorism and is still currently serving in the Navy.  My grandfather on my dad's side of the family was in the 101st Airborne during Vietnam. His father was in the Infantry during WWII.  One of my great Uncles was a pilot in the 101st Airborne during Vietnam.  My great grandfather on my mother's side of the family was also in the Infantry during WWII and fought in the Battle of the Bulge.  

 

So while I personally don't have any real military experience, I have a lot of family who have served and told me stories, taught me stuff, etc.

 

Do you actually do the effort to read and comprehend other peoples opinions and try to classify it in your brain of yours to false based on your personal beliefs or being a fact like in this case? Are you seriously that blind or patriotic to admit he made a mistake? He isn't a bad person for that, mistakes happen and it could happen with the best of us.

 

The video is exactly the same it's an US helicopter during an operation in Afghanistan. It's a mistake, an accident, just like the situation we are discussing. Show off or not, you can't be sure so you can't judge.

 

No, indeed I don't have a clue how it feels to get shot at by the taliban. However I can estimate the situation he must be in and his attempt to rescue his squad was a total failure when he clearly got stressed out and had no clue anymore where the shots came from or ignored to take any cover as you can clearly see in the video. It was a bad idea to start with, you need to plan a route before you just run of in a random direction, which in this case was directly into the enemies line of fire. Again, you don't need any military knowledge to seperate right from wrong. He made the wrong decision and based on the comments on the video I am not alone. I too have a family that holds a military background, does it matter in this situation? No. I don't call him stupid or retarded in general, he was stupid in this situation he almost lost his life with that so called 'tactical' movement you claim he pulled off. Last post for me believe what you want. Thanks,

[klesh 2423]

So has there been any posts/tweets/information from any of the devs yet today?  Usually Hicks/someone else would have posted something by now...

 

 

I was kinda hoping for a dayz daily from Hicks but probably have to wait till tomorrow!

 

 

I was going to post this here, but the thread was locked at the time.

 

Hicks has posted today, and with a picture too!

 

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/151394-sa-i-would-love-to-put-a-scope-on-the-mosin/

[korrobravin 96]

I was going to post this here, but the thread was locked at the time.

 

Hicks has posted today, and with a picture too!

 

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/151394-sa-i-would-love-to-put-a-scope-on-the-mosin/

 

 

Yeah, I just spotted that on twitter a few moments ago, so no release today, unfortunate...

Edited November 5, 2013 by KorroBravin

[Katana67 2907]

I was going to post this here, but the thread was locked at the time.

 

Hicks has posted today, and with a picture too!

 

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/151394-sa-i-would-love-to-put-a-scope-on-the-mosin/

 

I love you!

 

PU scope... /drool

[pxxl 259]

I'll leave this here for you 5th of November believers..

[HumanBeing25 299]

Here's a link for those who're like myself and want to search for DayZ.

Under advanced options you can search for games published by a specific publisher such as BI.

http://store.steampowered.com/search/#genre=Early%20Access&category2=1&publisher=Bohemia%20Interactive&sort_order=ASC&page=1

Basically, when DayZ is published to steam, it will show up on that list.

[Owain1122 218]

I'll look at the forums/reddit in a couple of weeks to see if it's released. I reckon testing is going to be a while yet, that mosin looks awesome though!

[TIC 1050]

Here's a link for those who're like myself and want to search for DayZ.

Under advanced options you can search for games published by a specific publisher such as BI.

http://store.steampowered.com/search/#genre=Early%20Access&category2=1&publisher=Bohemia%20Interactive&sort_order=ASC&page=1

Basically, when DayZ is published to steam, it will show up on that list.

 

Not to be off topic, I thought that word "Who're" was whore for a second :P

 

Other than that, I'll bookmark that page and see if this is true :)

[HumanBeing25 299]

Not to be off topic, I thought that word "Who're" was whore for a second :P

 

Other than that, I'll bookmark that page and see if this is true :)

Unless Rocket changes his mind and releases the game under something else than Early Access and as a Multiplayer, you can trust the link :D

[St. Jimmy 1631]

I expect that suddenly my whole internet slows down because IRC channels are getting flooded.