First vs Third Person Discussion (Dslyecxi video)

[sneakydudes 278]

I was thinking more along the lines of a meeting place, where people who like 1pp can come together and try to organize and populate public hive 1pp servers.  Maybe a pinned topic in the server discussion section, where people who want to play on populated 1pp servers can go to see which ones are getting traffic at the time.

 

Maybe I'll give it a try once stable hits.  I would only ask that mods be diligent in not letting it turn into another argument thread.  The goal is to try and facilitate a 1pp community for the people who prefer it, and to make sure people don't pop in just to say "not this again," or try to turn it into the same old argument again.

 

Also, why has this been moved from DayZ SA General discussion, to the Mod Forums?

I agree Emu, posting a who is interested thread. Maybe under recruiting? like the rest.

[emuthreat 2837]

I agree Emu, posting a who is interested thread. Maybe under recruiting? like the rest.

Recruiting.  Of course!  I knew that there was an appropriate place for such a thing, I just couldn't think of where it would fit, without attracting people who would just go there to say it shouldn't be a thing...

[sneakydudes 278]

Recruiting.  Of course!  I knew that there was an appropriate place for such a thing, I just couldn't think of where it would fit, without attracting people who would just go there to say it shouldn't be a thing...

Setup a server, and an recruiting section. One of the mods might even sticky this. Maybe even add a 3p and a 1p thread under recruitment. This way one topic instead of tons of tiny ones.

The server might be a tad early as .59 is what i see many waiting for.

[emuthreat 2837]

Setup a server, and an recruiting section. One of the mods might even sticky this. Maybe even add a 3p and a 1p thread under recruitment. This way one topic instead of tons of tiny ones.

The server might be a tad early as .59 is what i see many waiting for.

Set up a server?  I'm again getting the feeling that you don't quite get what I'm after.  Renting a server is not part of my goals for DayZ.  Basically only interested in a standard vanilla experience for the foreseeable future; no need to mess with any settings.  If the default settings and official servers can't be used to play the game successfully, I would consider that a design flaw.  I'd prefer to play on official servers; and don't see any reason why they shouldn't be stable and supported for years to come.  I'm definitely waiting for .59 stable push.

[pilgrim* 3514]

hi guys, what you doing down here in the DayZ Mod General Discussion ?

You all get Relegated ??

 

heheh

 

xx

[sneakydudes 278]

Set up a server?  I'm again getting the feeling that you don't quite get what I'm after.  Renting a server is not part of my goals for DayZ.  Basically only interested in a standard vanilla experience for the foreseeable future; no need to mess with any settings.  If the default settings and official servers can't be used to play the game successfully, I would consider that a design flaw.  I'd prefer to play on official servers; and don't see any reason why they shouldn't be stable and supported for years to come.  I'm definitely waiting for .59 stable push.

sorry ment in the server section post for 1p

[THEGordonFreeman 664]

So let me get this straight. You think the Outback Steakhouse employs only people from Australia because it is an "authentic australian steakhouse"? Are these clothes over 100 years old as they are "Authentic Old West Wear"?

 

You seem to not understand that "authentic" doesn't mean something actually IS it means it matches what a real thing might be. An "authentic murder mystery dinner" would not mean the victims were actually being killed, but it would have all the classic elements common to murder mystery novels.  See, murder mysteries, as they are novelized, are not real, but something can be authentically based off them. 

 

Zombies are not real. The apocalypse has not happened. We can't perfectly simulate it short of risking our actual lives, but we can create an authentic experience and I can tell you that looking out through my character's eyes is a LOT more authentic than seeing they back of their head and over and around things. 

Oh my God... are you serious?

 

authentic

 

adjective

 

1.not false or copied; genuine; real

 

2.having the origin supported by unquestionable evidence; authenticated; verified

 

3.entitled to acceptance or belief because of agreement with known facts or experience; reliable; trustworthy

 

DayZ does not qualify as authentic by ANY of those three definitions of the word 'AUTHENTIC'.  It's not REAL, it can't be authenticated or verified and since there are no known facts about an actual zombie apocalypse, the third definition doesn't fly either.  Your argument using Outback Steakhouse is just ridiculous and deserves no retort since you obviously don't know (understand) the definition of 'authentic'.

Edited December 9, 2015 by THEGordonFreeman

[mercules 1290]

2.having the origin supported by unquestionable evidence; authenticated; verified

 

 

You will notice that the "zombies" in DayZ are not dead people who have reanimated. They are in fact Infected. There is no mysterious meteor or radiation that has reanimated them like in older zombie movies but instead they are Infected like in "28 Days Later" and "Quarantine". Why is that? If you ask around you will find out that those movies are the most likely basis of a "zombie apocalypse" style occurrence. It is still Science Fiction but the science part is solid. A radically mutated or engineered virus can cause irritability and aggression and be spread through various vectors. This is the type of "zombie" we have in DayZ a plausible "zombie". That is why it doesn't require headshots to kill them and they don't have axes sticking out of their backs or missing limbs. 

 

 

These are, for all practical purposes as "authentic" of a zombie as we can envision. Science can explain how they might occur. So when you use arguments like, "Zombies aren't real so we shouldn't worry about reality in the game." It sounds ridiculous. The game is all about, "What IF zombies are real. How can we be authentic to THAT experience." That is why the characters can't fly. That is why they are going to be putting in an endurance system and weight. That is why (once vehicles are expanded) we will no longer be able to sprint across the map without rest in less than an hour. That is why we don't have lasers, gauss/coil guns, and such. 

 

 

The want an authentic survival experience. That doesn't mean REAL it means an approximation of real.

 

Just like when you watch something like Daredevil on Netflix. You don't want the show to be "real" because the poor blind attorney would end up broken or dead after the first crime he tried to stop. However, you still want it to be "authentic". You want the character to seem like he fits into the setting he is in and you want to believe that his miraculous "sense" that lets him know where things are works and is based off some realistic principle and that it is authentic. 

 

Let me quote something from the Benihanna page.

 

 

With his seed money in place, Rocky took out a loan and used it to start America's first teppanyaki restaurant on West 56th street. Named after his parents' Tokyo coffee shop, Benihana opened in 1964, featuring an authentic Japanese farmhouse interior and food prepared on steel grills right in front of customers. His highly trained chefs delighted customers with intricate knife work and theatrics. Not to mention delicious food. But it wasn't until legendary food critic Clementine Paddleford gave Benihana a rave review that the restaurant really took off, paying for itself in just six months.

 

According to you that means he shipped a Japanese farmhouse to America and built a restaurant around it. The word authentic means it posses a real quality to it. It approaches realism. See, that is the second definition. Origin supported by unquestionable evidence. That means this simulation game is based on probable science. The zombies, not being real things, are based off of a realistic background/origin so that they make sense in the game world and are AUTHENTIC. 

 

3PP doesn't make sense in such a setting. It gives you advantages you would not have if you were dropped into said situation where zombies are as realistic as possible. It is literally "magic" in a game that strives to explain things... even zombies. 

[emuthreat 2837]

hi guys, what you doing down here in the DayZ Mod General Discussion ?

You all get Relegated ??

 

heheh

 

xx

I asked that very same question myself.  Seems a bit inordinate.

[THEGordonFreeman 664]

You will notice.... ALL OTHER BS DELETED

 

Don't bother responding... I won't be wasting any more bandwidth on this.....

[mercules 1290]

Don't bother responding... I won't be wasting any more bandwidth on this.....

 

Ah, the cry of the defeated forum warrior who's stance is indefensible. 

[DemonGroover 8836]

Can we stop the authentic/realistic arguments. If you want to nit pick then no game is truly realistic...real life isnt interesting enough to make a game out of.....at least my life isnt.

I first started playing the DayZ mod because it was the closest simulation to a zombie apocalypse I could find. I still feel it is and it is only improving.

If people want that simulation to involve an over the head 3pp then good luck to them...it is not what I like but if people want to play then go ahead.

[hleVqq 139]

There is a problem with people refusing to see the points beind made. They'd rather argue words' definitions as if that helps their case. 1PP is authentic (in perfect world at least, DayZ and video games in general may have flaws in their 1PP representation), 3PP is absolutely not. The game being about a zombie apocalypse is irrelevant here. Otherwise let's have spaceships and superpowers. The game is about a zombie apocalypse, so screw all other logic too, right? Laser guns! Mechs!

Edited December 10, 2015 by Powerhouse

[Mos1ey 6301]

Oh my God... are you serious?

 

authentic

 

adjective

 

1.not false or copied; genuine; real

 

2.having the origin supported by unquestionable evidence; authenticated; verified

 

3.entitled to acceptance or belief because of agreement with known facts or experience; reliable; trustworthy

 

DayZ does not qualify as authentic by ANY of those three definitions of the word 'AUTHENTIC'.  It's not REAL, it can't be authenticated or verified and since there are no known facts about an actual zombie apocalypse, the third definition doesn't fly either.  Your argument using Outback Steakhouse is just ridiculous and deserves no retort since you obviously don't know (understand) the definition of 'authentic'.

 

You'll get a better definition from a real dictionary rather than Google, lol.

 

"Made or done in the traditional or original way, or in a way that faithfully resembles an original: the restaurant serves authentic Italian meals every detail of the film was totally authentic."

 

Regarding DayZ "authenticity" is about creating a faithful representation of what post-apocalyptic survival would really be like.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Mos1ey

[q.S Sachiel 470]

I can tell you emuthreat and myself have seen each other on one of the 1PP experimental servers. I play on 1PP servers the vast majority of the time. I play on Gents of Novo server which is 3PP because of the community involved as those guys are great, but I wish they had a 1PP server for myself and friends.

 

:rolleyes:

This is a poor argument. We are attempting for an AUTHENTIC zombie apocalypse survival game. Zombies in that case are authentic, but 3PP is not.

There are 3pp games out there.

So i guess, that it's a zombie apocalypse survival game, makes 3pp authentic too? 

 

You also criticised 3pp in previous posts about development time being spent on 3pp being an un-necessary waste.  To my knowledge, the only changes to 3pp being camera angle and positioning were in response to the 1pp crowd, so bit puzzled about this one.  It's already in the game and 1pp is advocating for more change (dev time) to be made.  Confusing.

 

That said, you are one of the most vocal arguments for the removal of 3pp (not the advocation of 1pp mind you) here, and there are so many holes and self-contrived conflictions in your argument that it is no wonder people openly state their lack of interest in continuing the 'dicussion' with you - the self professed messiah of 1pp.

 

In my honest opinion there is no reason to play a game in 3PP if you have a 1PP option so why WASTE development time on 3PP?

 

 

I've found that happens to a lot of groups. You have the one person who refuses to play on 1PP servers so when we play with them we give in and let them have it.

 

 

I do play on 3PP servers. One of my favorites is 3PP but I vastly prefer the better gameplay on 1st person.

 

 

my "telling others what they should do" from your perspective is "enriching other's lives by trying to get them to play a better game experience" from my perspective.

Here's a few.

 

Nobody here played Dark Souls?

Didn't think so.

 

Also, was going to mock this discussion spilling over into the DayZ Mod thread section, until i realised it's been merged from SA.

Quite strange indeed.

 

Also to parallel response to emuthreat's suggestion of 1p communal thread, this argument/'discussion' over the last three years has been

 

3pp shouldn't be allowed to play with their toy

hey leave my toy alone

you're stupid

nou

 

not too different ultimately from the boring yes yes yes.

Personally i think it's a good idea, and despite it maybe not being as 'entertaining' as this saga to rival 'War and Peace', i think that a positive community initiative is indeed what 1pp needs at this point.

 

Lets make my point clear:

if you are for 1pp then advocate for 1pp.  Mocking 3pp is not this.  Asking for more servers, garnering support by fostering communities or presenting valid opportunities for 1pp play is.

If you are for 3pp, then keep enjoying the game mode that is currently available for you.

 

But for everyone, know that both options are available, and nobody is twisting your arm to play one or the other.  Do not hold other people accountable for your lack of initiative in playing the way that you want to play.  Are the servers empty?  Then sit in them and populate them like i did to MP games back in the 90s, and wait for them to populate. 

They don't populate?  Then get on the proverbial horn and summon support.

It's

That

Fucking

Simple.

 

Negative advertising only works effectively if people know your product, and know it's attributes.  Me talking down about coke doesn't make pepsi any damned more attractive unless people know there is pepsi and what it tastes like.  And please, try doing it with a smile.

Edited December 10, 2015 by q.S Sachiel

[mercules 1290]

if you are for 1pp then advocate for 1pp.  Mocking 3pp is not this.  Asking for more servers, garnering support by fostering communities or presenting valid opportunities for 1pp play is.

 

 

 

Look back through the thread and read how many times I have pointed out that I honestly believe that people who refuse to play 1PP are cheating themselves of a better experience. I am advocating for 1PP. Any "mocking" of 3PP I have done is me refuting claims that 3PP is just as good or isn't easy mode. I've provided examples as to why I consider it easy mode, statements supporting my argument. 

 

Maybe I'll try again. 

 

In ARMA II and III there are various difficulties: Recruit, Regular, Veteran, and Expert. You can see the breakdown of what applies to each difficulty here: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Difficulty_Menu

 

Notice: Not having 3PP on is part of EXPERT ARMA. 

 

 

Ergo, if you are playing in 3PP you are playing an easier game than those playing in 1PP. This isn't a judgement or mocking of 3PP. This is just a fact backed up by Bohemia Interactive's documentation. 

 

 

Now, in my opinion both ARMA and DayZ offer a better experience in 1PP because of that added bit of difficulty. In my opinion it levels the playing field between players and 1PP is less exploitable. DayZ development SHARES that opinion based off of comments made by several of them about 3PP and the exploits it allows. Let's also point out at this point that DayZ is supposed to be the "anti-game" and not easy so why are we including the easy mode version?

 

This brings me to the next part of the discussion. 3PP was NOT changed because 1PP advocates are yelling at them. It was changed specifically because the development team believes 3PP has exploits. Some of them like 3PP but have stated they need to fix the exploits that come about because of it. 

 

So my statement about wasting development time and money on it addresses putting time and effort into fixing it, when they could just remove it and have a FREE alternative that resolves all the exploits, it's called 1PP.