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In first person servers it's actually tricky at times, to survive zombies. Which is a good thing.

It also makes it easier to not die to players. Which is another good thing.

The problem with FPP that i'm having is that glitches are much more annyoing in it. In TPP you can move sideways and still see. In the first, every glitch is a mandatory visit to game options. In time, however, i hope that all of this will change, and FPP will always be on all non-recruit servers.

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For realism, it should be off. The game is way harder and scarier in first person... and that's the whole point innit.

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I use third person to see around shit, especially in cities, first person is better for running outside of cities and fighting though. Features are not exploits, deal with it.

Headtracking does look pretty slick I'd like to try it sometime.

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To be honest, with all the options available, 3P is for exploits only (peeking over/around walls)

I implicitly select non-3P servers due to this. Also people who play in these servers tend to be more mature and perform less stupidity (suicide with granades, noob-bait zombies across a town, etc)

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lol what exploit? 3rd person is not an exploit. Its actually part of the engine and all of the games the engine supports for over 10 years now. Like I said, I dont care either way but BIS is not going to remove 3rd person from their games because some dayz noob that never gave a shit about their games before wants it to be a FPS game.

Removing options is counter-productive to any project.

You seem not to understand the meaning of "exploit" in video games.

An exploit is using something that is PART of the game yet not necessarily intended for such a use to gain an advantage (using 3rd person to peek around corners). Everyone can use this exploit, but when you do it puts you ahead of people who don't. It is still an exploit, since you can see around corners and over walls which, to be honest, completely immersion breaking.

That said, anyone can use it, thus why some people choose servers without 3rd Person off.

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Believe it or not, 3rd person give you more of a realistic FOV then the blinkered 1st person...

Being able to look over and behind walls not so much.

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I use it just to see over objects that you cant see over with first person.

Its also good to have your magic camera look around corners for you while hidden from view.

I mean why lean round a corner when your magic camera keeps you hidden...

I think all soldiers should carry a magical floating camera so they don't expose themselves to danger.

I play zombie games and complain about realism.

Herp derp?

You seem not to understand the meaning of "exploit" in video games.

An exploit is using something that is PART of the game yet not necessarily intended for such a use to gain an advantage (using 3rd person to peek around corners). Everyone can use this exploit, but when you do it puts you ahead of people who don't. It is still an exploit, since you can see around corners and over walls which, to be honest, completely immersion breaking.

That said, anyone can use it, thus why some people choose servers without 3rd Person off.

I'm pretty sure the increased vision offered by third person is completely intentional, using a feature as intended isn't exploiting.

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thanks for the info about zoom and head bob, I mainly use 3rd person when in a car (as driver passanger better for first due to noise) and for running cross country

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3rd person is ruining this game (for me personally). If you type ":off" there are generally no full servers whatsoever with one of the two options set to off. If you offer people the opportunity to play with a cheat or without a cheat, most people will opt for using the cheat because everyone else is. I realise that I am just a small minority of the community but it still sucks for me.

The one thing that does bother me though, is that people who have 3rd person enabled on their servers are allowed to call them anything but "recruit" servers. Maybe people would be more inclined to play with the harder options if there was a clearly defined rule set like that.

Further more, another reason for there being such low numbers on servers which have something like that disabled, could also be attributed to people playing on one of the vast majority of servers with it enabled, then when they switch to a new server and they try to use 3rd person, they think "ah, the server is bugged" and switch over. It's like people don't understand the concept of difficulty in a game any more....

A clearly defined rule set would help I think, and most dayz players are new, so maybe they want the easiest possible experience to begin with, which I can understand, but as it is now, servers with harder settings are going to be extinct soon, so when they get to the point where they want more of a challenge perhaps, there won't be any options for them, they might not even know there are other options since there is no difference between most "veteran" servers and most "recruit" servers.

On arma 2, settings like crosshairs and 3rd person are disabled on veteran servers, why is it different for dayz?

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Define cheat, then define legitimate feature.

BIS has always allowed players and admins to edit their difficulty, they've also allowed players to easily edit everything else and this is why Rocket chose to use ArmA for DayZ too.

If you don't like to play on 3rd person servers, play on 1st person servers.

If you don't like to play on empty servers, play on 3rd person servers.

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3rd person view is totally realistic. I have out of body experiences all the fuckin' time. <_<

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Define cheat, then define legitimate feature.

BIS has always allowed players and admins to edit their difficulty, they've also allowed player to easily edit everything else and this is why Rocket chose to use ArmA for DayZ too.

If you don't like to play on 3rd person server, play on 1st person servers.

If you don't like to play on empty servers, play on 3rd person servers.

You know those options suck right? I'm forced to play with settings I hate on servers designed for people who want to play the game on easy mode if I want to play with people. Those aren't really options.

Also it's simply bad server etiquette to misname your server, very rarely would you find a "veteran" server in arma 2 running easy mode options, and generally if they did, it was a mistake.

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Most servers clearly state whether 3rd person and name tags are enabled or not and you don't offend me by repeating easimode over and over, I have nothing to prove to you, you hardcore-almost-Navy-SERE-trained-by-playing-veteran-mode-video-gamer.

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Most servers clearly state whether 3rd person and name tags are enabled or not and you don't offend me by repeating easimode over and over, I have nothing to prove to you, you hardcore-almost-Navy-SERE-trained-by-playing-veteran-mode-video-gamer.

I wasn't trying to offend anyone, if the server rules were "easy" "medium" and "hard" like they are in other games, having 3rd person on and ch on would be easy mode, like i said before, there is nothing wrong with people wanting to play the game on the easiest possible settings, like i said, it's understandable for new players, which the majority of players are. It just sucks that it has to be to the detriment of players like me. Why are you getting so defensive anyway? Can't we have a discussion like adults?

Cool that you are comfortable playing easy mode, everyone is different, good for you!

Personally I like my games to be a challenge, and I like to play with other people who like a challenge too, is that too much to ask?

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Im of the opinion that everyone should be playing the same game. Because a games mechanics should be designed consistently.

And not have to cater for people playing different versions of it.

It makes the game more scary, more tactical and more convincing.

The ONLY defence for 3rd person is that people dont like the FOV or the headbobbing.

You can turn off head bobbing, increase your FOV, and use your head to look around if you need to.

But in reality you watch 99% of videos of people playing this game, they are ALL abusing 3rd person. Peeking over walls, round corners, up the top of ladders. Staying invisible while being able to scan their surroundings.

People will always take the easy option and come out with "i play it my way" "its in the game it's legit" etc which is why the game needs to be standardised to remove 3rd person : http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/24709-standardise-things/

3rd person has its place but that place is not Dayz. You want to see on a roof ? you should have to poke your head over the edge and have a look, or find an overwatch position to check stuff out before you approach. You want to ambush someone ? you should have to stick your head out to see where they are and risk giving away your position. The game is too hard core in so many ways to allow this sort of (3rd person) mechanic.

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Have at me. Come on now, don't shy away from a debate.

Name a game that requires stealth and tactics that forces a players to play in first person.

Deus Ex.

Deus Ex: Invisible War.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution except while in cover.

Thief Series

Bioshock Series

System Shock

Condemned Series

Dishonored

Dark Messiah of Might and Magic

Mirror's Edge

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not to be a dick, but you all realize that while the op offered some help on how help embrace fps in dayz, the same people who demand that dayz be fps only, derailed and practically destroyed the very thread that attempts to get more people to play in fps.

I mean, you guys n gals can't be THAT stupid now can you????

oh wait, this is the dayz forums.... derp!

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Unimaginative elitist cocksuckers only care how someone else plays their games. Who the fuck cares really? Play how you want, as long as you're not hacking or exploiting I'm good!

Has nothing to do with lack of imagination, I can easily imagine your sister naked on my bed, I should really call her back. Playing in 3rd person allows a person to look over walls from complete safety. You are able to see people that have no chance to see you, that is called an exploit. Playing in 3rd person is a huge strategic benefit and is beyond unfair.

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Two reasons why you should never use first person view.

Spacial recognition, there is none in a video game. Especially, with the default FoV that is set up for ARMA 2.

And, every other pro player uses it. So, you are at a huge disadvantage.

There is one time where you should go FPV. That is when you are chasing someone. It makes it easier to go to iron-sights or optic view (about .5 second faster -- trust me, it makes a difference) and you can also just hip shoot with more proficiency.

I always forget to do it, though. Heh. But those suggestions at the end can make a world of difference.

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The fact is, if 3rd person is available and you arn't using it, you're putting yourself at a large disadvantage in terms of concealment and negotiating your surroundings.

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It's certainly more immersive hearing everything directly through your characters ears, risking your neck to look around a corner, sitting blind in tall grass. All the uncertainty thats spawned from removing such a large crutch really helps the mod achieve the goals it set out to originally accomplish. Risks must be assessed more throughly across the board and with that comes fear and pressure.

Well said.

Neither 1st or 3rd person is 100% realistic in terms of a player's view and awareness of their surroundings. While third person lets you "cheat" and makes the game easier, the limits of first person make it harder, scarier, and yes better. If you think the zombies are to easy, try crawling into town in first person, it's a completely different experience. Try limiting yourself to 1st person, you won't feel safe, you might die more, you might not get geared up quite as quick, you might start having fun again like when you were a noob.

I find it interesting that many of the people in favor of 3DP seem to justify their position by saying they only use it for PVE and don't use it in PVP. Ignoring PVP, this whole debate strikes me as another side of the issues discussed in the Social Observation: Playing DayZ to not play DayZ thread. When push comes to shove, I think a lot of players don't really want to play DayZ. They want to be special, they want to be the hero who narrowly escapes death. They don't want to stumble around a corner into a random group of Zeds because of dumb luck. They want a sixth sense, or mini UAV, always alerting them to danger and plotting their course through the horde.

The best early-game thrill you can get is crawling through tall grass without a weapon. You'll stand out like a sore thumb to other players while crawlers and hoppers won't be visible until they're right up in your face. Will you pop your head up and get a better look?

Absolutely, one of my most memorable DayZ experiences is crawling through the grass on the outskirts of Electro with no weapon and 6k blood trying to evade a walker approaching from my left when I came face to face with a crawler and just about wet my self. Somehow he didn't see me and I was able to escape. I was lucky that day and and it was memorable because of all the other times when I wasn't lucky. That experience never would have happened if I was playing in third person.

I'm not hardcore, but I might be a masochist.

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You seem not to understand the meaning of "exploit" in video games.

An exploit is using something that is PART of the game yet not necessarily intended for such a use to gain an advantage (using 3rd person to peek around corners). Everyone can use this exploit, but when you do it puts you ahead of people who don't. It is still an exploit, since you can see around corners and over walls which, to be honest, completely immersion breaking.

That said, anyone can use it, thus why some people choose servers without 3rd Person off.

That's exactly what 3rd person is for. How can using a view as intended be an exploit? You'll be grateful of third person when the zombies get beefed up and actual non pvp content gets added that requires stealth. I'd love to see someone try to sneak up on a player in the control tower of the NW airfield without third person. Or even sneak through a town of zombies without pulling aggro. Bonus points if they can do either without being shot by other players.

Third person might not be realistic but neither is running around in a zombie apocalypse with a box taped to ones head. This debate is older than most of the people on this forum and I pray the devs are smarter than a bunch of whiny children that think using third person as intended is some type of exploit.

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Actually the shallow FOV makes me feel ill in 1st person, not the headbob,

anything less than 80* FOV in a game and i feel nauseous.

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Nice tips too bad i already know them.

I'm playing in 3rd person but this has nothing to do with peeking around corners and stuff i just prefer the 3rd person perspective because i like to see my charakter. It doesn't really give me any advances because i'm not killing players.

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Definitely appreciate the tips, but I also really enjoy 3rd person in most situations.

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Nice tips too bad i already know them.

I'm playing in 3rd person but this has nothing to do with peeking around corners and stuff i just prefer the 3rd person perspective because i like to see my charakter. It doesn't really give me any advances because i'm not killing players.

yeah I like to see how badass I look when running through the woods at night in mah ghillie =D

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