Gamma and Brightness - Night Play

[SirEpicTickles 19]

I always dreamed of dayz having proper night play.

Currently, if you find a server that has night time, you can just put gamma and brightness to max and you will play the game in gray hues but still clearly see almost anything.

Are there any plans in the future for disabling the gamma and brightness sliders so that everybody will see pretty much the same level of darkness? I think it would bring a lot to the game!

Edited April 11, 2016 by SirEpicTickles

[pilgrim* 3514]

49 minutes ago, SirEpicTickles said:

I always dreamed of dayz having proper night play. Currently, if you find a server that has night time, you can just put gamma and brightness to max and you will play the game in gray hues but still clearly see almost anything. Are there any plans in the future for disabling the gamma and brightness sliders so that everybody will see pretty much the same level of darkness? I think it would bring a lot to the game!

 Leave your Gamma exact the same way as you play all day - just never touch it a all, day or night for week after week. This is how I do it. (end of story, I never touch it). Then you can see in the daylight - and at night's it's dark !

Everyone should play this way because it is a WHOLE LOT more fun. A bunch of fools mess with their gamma because they hope to find servers empty at nighttime.
They do that because they are boondock hick yokel bums with no brains and no balls, pure and simple, and you cant do much about it - just leave them beating their meat and find an honest server to play on.

That's my answer - I play nigh-time off and on, and it can get DAMNED EXCITING for sure.. it's worth doing!
If you're in the USA try out the HELPY HELPERS server - they are honest guys (maybe one or too goofballs drop in sometimes - but not for long)
 

Or for real fun and gut-gripping thrills, set yourself an objective - Start with a flashlight and a compass (maybe) and [normal gamma, no messing]  and make your way from the SW corner of the map, down by Kamenca, and go all the way across the map overland from there N and E to Smirnovo or Berezhiki. Just to see if you can make it in the dark. You probably wont meet players and even if you do you can usually hear them. You are crossing an occupied enemy territory by night, by stealth. You won't regret that, I swear. The stuff you have to do to find your way and stay alive will amaze you, - ya won't forget it.

But If you're looking for night combat.. then an honest server is the only way IMO

Like VOIP, Gamma is something you do at home, it has no link to the game software - so nothing to be done about those dudes who want to s*** on their own games. Let them.

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173.199.94.27:2302   <<  = THE HELPY HELPERS: FOR MERCY OR MAYHEM  >>
Play on an honest public hive server.   Enjoy

Edited April 11, 2016 by pilgrim*

[SirEpicTickles 19]

I perfectly understand what you mean and I know that there will always be way to "cheat" with gamma and brightness, but if they exist in game, it's too easy for everybody to just max them when dark.

I love darkness in dayz and the thrills it brings, but they are so many people using this exploit, that it's no fun playing with a "sight handicap".

It's pretty much like playing any game on servers infested by hackers. It just looses it's enjoyment pretty fast.

[Just Caused 423]

What makes you think people won't increase their gamma on monitors if gamma in-game gets disabled?

[Irish. 4886]

Once upon a time someone complained about people speeding in cars.

Now we all have to wear seat-belts. 

 

Go play the game your way, and let others ruin their own experiences. 

[Tigermonk 140]

41 minutes ago, lrishjake said:

Once upon a time someone complained about people speeding in cars.

Now we all have to wear seat-belts. 

 

Go play the game your way, and let others ruin their own experiences. 

^ like stated above... 

+ the fact that the NEW rendering engine (I hope for your sake you've seen it in the 4 vids on the forums!) has a new day/night module... better graphics... in the DX 9... black and white is the 'night' sky... in the new mod.. it just gets 'darker' but it retains its colors.. so NO need to fiddle with your gamma or whatever.. if you can't see jack in the new 0.60... I suggest you visit the Eye doc. ASAP... since in real life.. when it gets dark.. you see about as much as you see in the new 0.60 update (maybe even a bit less) 
so will the update improve the night cycle YES... will the new update need gamma tweaks.. NO very doubtful it will... 

[Rags! 1966]

4 hours ago, lrishjake said:

Go play the game your way, and let others ruin their own experiences. 

And yours, since they can exploit settings when you choose not to for the "immersion". It's like going into a 3PP server and only using 1PP.

[SirEpicTickles 19]

5 hours ago, lrishjake said:

Once upon a time someone complained about people speeding in cars.

Now we all have to wear seat-belts. 

 

Go play the game your way, and let others ruin their own experiences. 

Do you agree with hackers?

How would your gaming experience be if 90% of the players would use hacks? Would you be able to mind your game and still enjoy it?

I could not.

It's the same with brightness and gamma. A game is enjoyable as long as everybody gets the same chance to thrive.

@Just Caused It's never a 100%, but it's the same principle as with hackers and whitelisting. They could whitelist and use hacks, but most of the time it's not worth it. While on public servers they can just join and do their crap.

 

[Irish. 4886]

33 minutes ago, Rags! said:

And yours, since they can exploit settings when you choose not to for the "immersion". It's like going into a 3PP server and only using 1PP.

So adjusting your in game option settings is an exploit now? 

o.O

25 minutes ago, SirEpicTickles said:

Do you agree with hackers?

How would your gaming experience be if 90% of the players would use hacks? Would you be able to mind your game and still enjoy it?

I could not.

It's the same with brightness and gamma. A game is enjoyable as long as everybody gets the same chance to thrive.

Why you brought up hackers is borderline insane. To me at least.

See, gamma is in your settings. Anyone can adjust it. And some need to from time to time so they can see. Like people who are legally blind but can still see enough to play dayz. Like an old clan mate I had. 

 

 

Now for the fucking record.. I dont use gamma settings, or brightness. I dont care what others do. I think adding in concrete rules simply because a small group is upset over their delicate sensibilities is absurd.

 

Again, seat belts. Why I (an adult) am forced to wear one, when the only person it may hurt is me.. is only because someone complained about people dying too much. I should be able to make the choice without worry of a monetary fine. But I cant. Because of people with the same mentality as well... I think you get it. 

[Rags! 1966]

23 minutes ago, lrishjake said:

So adjusting your in game option settings is an exploit now? 

o.O

 

 

Gamma was not put into the game to give you night vision capabilities. You are using a software tool (in-game computer settings) to take advantage of a flaw in a computer system (The computer graphics of night in DayZ) typically for malicious purposes (night vision with the naked eye) 

Obviously, "malicious" isn't what I would call turning up your Gamma settings. But it's actually kind of obvious that using a Gamma slider to give a character night vision in a "survival" game when not being able to see in the dark is a huge survival liability. By not changing this setting, you are putting yourself at an objective disadvantage since you can see less. It's like removing all the tall grass in the game, allowing you to see people or objects inside of it that you otherwise wouldn't see. That is a game setting that is also an exploit. 

And, no. It wasn't an exploit now. It has always been an exploit. It wasn't magically a non-exploit in the past and now it is. 

[Judged_Guitly 80]

It would be very noble of you to play the game the way everyone should be playing but unfortunately everyone else isn’t doing this.  I play almost exclusively on night time servers (not by choice, between work and sleepy time Chernarus is under cover of moonlight) and I almost never see anyone using flashlights. Once in a while someone will pop off a flare but it’s usually fresh spawns on the coast. Once I get inland I seldom see artificial light being used and I’ve have had a $hitload of encounters.

 If someone adjusts their render, are they cheating? How about spamming apples, suicide glitch, stacking ruined ammo, officer tent glitch, teamspeak after death, manipulate terrain quality, peeking through a wall, server hopping, crawling underwater, field of view, all of these are bugs/exploits.  I watch a lot of high profile streamers and I keep hearing “if it doesn’t give you a tactical advantage it’s okay”, but doesn’t any exploit give you an advantage? If you were in Electro and I was in Cherno and we’re both yellow thirsty and hit a water source at the same time but you spam drinking and I drink normal. Let’s say a random event spooks us both to move out. You head west, I head east and we meet in the middle. I’m still yellow because in my time at the well I only managed one drink but you filled up in seconds. Who has created an advantage? Albeit a small one, your manipulation has given you a slight edge and if throughout your session you add in a couple more minor exploits, what’s the harm? It seemed at the time there was no tactical advantage but what about a strategic advantage?  

In the 30th edition game developers conference Eugen spoke about exploits in the video “Once a cheater, always a cheater”. He defines exploits as: “Using ingame bugs basically to gain an unfair advantage. It’s something that we leave behind, for the most part as game developers, and people find it and use it.” He glossed over this talking point pretty quickly and moved on to talk about serious hackers.  As pseudo testers we discover bugs and report them to the throne. That is if there’s a working mechanism to do so.  I’ve got several bugs to report and I’ve read other post claiming the same but I assume because of the new render it’s pointless for them to judicate our 59 discoveries since 60 will be its own proving ground.

I know I’m the pot calling the kettle black because I admit to using gamma shine (Movie Pitch Black reference) but I’m not going to sacrifice many hours of gearing up if I’m the odd man out. I would enjoy playing night servers the way its intended if everyone else was on the same playing field. It might be fun running around Chernarus dependent on a light strapped to your head but if the rest of the server is playing with gamma glasses, well, When in Rome.

 Now somewhere in all this jibba jabba I got off track so I’ll end with this: I don’t like exploiting the system but if it’s not addressed at a higher level and a blind eye is ever turned then I don’t feel guilty over it, and if you meet me in the field you won’t find me carrying a flashlight.

Let the backlash commence!

[Irish. 4886]

:D

Edited April 12, 2016 by lrishjake
lol'd my ass off

[SirEpicTickles 19]

@Irishjake There is no connection between wearing a seatbelt and this topic. If you really want to make a connection, try comparing driving in pitch black with your headlights turned off and driving in pitch black with night vision on. You might need more than a seat belt for the first one...

Currently, almost all the players that spent at least 100 hours in this game use the gamma/brightness sliders combined with HDR:low(big difference between low and lowest) during night time and there is practically no night game.

Nobody is upset, Jake, but I was just saying in my first post that it would change the game a lot, in my opinion for the better. Night games would be scarier and more intense than anything else in dayz.

[Tigermonk 140]

16 hours ago, Rags! said:

 

 

Gamma was not put into the game to give you night vision capabilities. You are using a software tool (in-game computer settings) to take advantage of a flaw in a computer system (The computer graphics of night in DayZ) typically for malicious purposes (night vision with the naked eye) 

Obviously, "malicious" isn't what I would call turning up your Gamma settings. But it's actually kind of obvious that using a Gamma slider to give a character night vision in a "survival" game when not being able to see in the dark is a huge survival liability. By not changing this setting, you are putting yourself at an objective disadvantage since you can see less. It's like removing all the tall grass in the game, allowing you to see people or objects inside of it that you otherwise wouldn't see. That is a game setting that is also an exploit. 

And, no. It wasn't an exploit now. It has always been an exploit. It wasn't magically a non-exploit in the past and now it is. 

just for the record... this is the internet.. nobody CARES... most people do as they please.. and play as they see fit.. there's NO use in making posts like these.. explaining what an 'exploit' is... its meaning/reason.. because 'nobody gives a flying turd... 
in short: people are people.. and people will take EVERY advantage they can.. good or bad.. clean or dirty... thats how we've survived for this long.. so just saying.. if people use gamma to make a 'make-shift' pair of NV goggles... let them... if they ruin your game.. don't play with them... you know names/servers this happens on? DONT play there... go someplace else... no use crying bout it on the forums.. because 'it happens' and there isn't a dang thing you can do about that... 

[SirEpicTickles 19]

6 hours ago, Tigermonk said:

just for the record... this is the internet.. nobody CARES... most people do as they please.. and play as they see fit.. there's NO use in making posts like these.. explaining what an 'exploit' is... its meaning/reason.. because 'nobody gives a flying turd... 
in short: people are people.. and people will take EVERY advantage they can.. good or bad.. clean or dirty... thats how we've survived for this long.. so just saying.. if people use gamma to make a 'make-shift' pair of NV goggles... let them... if they ruin your game.. don't play with them... you know names/servers this happens on? DONT play there... go someplace else... no use crying bout it on the forums.. because 'it happens' and there isn't a dang thing you can do about that... 

It's a forum you know. It's meant for people to express their opinions.

[Tigermonk 140]

8 hours ago, SirEpicTickles said:

It's a forum you know. It's meant for people to express their opinions.

still makes NO sense crying about the game menu mechanics because some Dbag sees you running across NWA in your fully decked gear.. proceeds to put a bullet in ur dome 'because he has NV' which he hasnt.. just screwed up game settings.. that are in NO way related to the games performance.. just how it looks.

[[DGN] Johnny 115]

7 minutes ago, Tigermonk said:

still makes NO sense crying about the game menu mechanics because some Dbag sees you running across NWA in your fully decked gear.. proceeds to put a bullet in ur dome 'because he has NV' which he hasnt.. just screwed up game settings.. that are in NO way related to the games performance.. just how it looks.

Gamma goggles are a widely accepted cheese that undermine the integrity of this games experience. I'll flatly admit that I gamma goggle, but to fool yourself into believing it's a trivial issue or working as intended, is laughable. Now if we're laughing at you, or the developers final product implementation of day vs night cycles and the requirements they will bring.. Well, time will tell.

I for one, hope that flashlights, headlights, torches, and so on, are not doomed to forever be novelty items that clutter the CLE.

[Tigermonk 140]

2 hours ago, [DGN] Johnny said:

Gamma goggles are a widely accepted cheese that undermine the integrity of this games experience. I'll flatly admit that I gamma goggle, but to fool yourself into believing it's a trivial issue or working as intended, is laughable. Now if we're laughing at you, or the developers final product implementation of day vs night cycles and the requirements they will bring.. Well, time will tell.

I for one, hope that flashlights, headlights, torches, and so on, are not doomed to forever be novelty items that clutter the CLE.

'Gamma goggles are a widely accepted cheese that undermine the integrity of this games experience.' for who? if I may ask? you? your palls? cause people use them to spot you? THATS undermining YOUR gaming experience.. please dude.. go cry to yo mamma alright?

[SirEpicTickles 19]

Getting back to the topic, the vast majority of dayz players use the gamma slider at night making the night time experience almost non-existent at the moment.

I played a mod for arma 3 a few days ago that was very close to what a proper night time experience should feel like. Even if you still have the gamma slider, using it at night makes everything look so bad, that it becomes harder to spot things with max gamma than with normal one.

It felt good as everybody was using flashlights, torches, flares, etc and the experience was unique. That mod was not as developed as dayz, but it was a good example for me about how good night time games can be.

[sushimaster 6]

Gamma slider doesn't magically reveal pixel data that wasn't already there.  Display color accuracy drifts. Shadow detail takes a huge hit.  Calibrate your display. 

[St. Jimmy 1631]

On 13.4.2016 at 2:22 PM, SirEpicTickles said:

Getting back to the topic, the vast majority of dayz players use the gamma slider at night making the night time experience almost non-existent at the moment.

I played a mod for arma 3 a few days ago that was very close to what a proper night time experience should feel like. Even if you still have the gamma slider, using it at night makes everything look so bad, that it becomes harder to spot things with max gamma than with normal one.

It felt good as everybody was using flashlights, torches, flares, etc and the experience was unique. That mod was not as developed as dayz, but it was a good example for me about how good night time games can be.

Does that mod work in dev branch? You know they added brightness, contrast and saturation sliders. Yes there are now 2 brightness sliders. I could imagine messing around with the contrast slider could make it more exploitable again.

[Magaz97 41]

On 4/13/2016 at 11:42 AM, Tigermonk said:

'Gamma goggles are a widely accepted cheese that undermine the integrity of this games experience.' for who? if I may ask? you? your palls? cause people use them to spot you? THATS undermining YOUR gaming experience.. please dude.. go cry to yo mamma alright?

oh dear......

[GuyRandomMan 54]

On 4/11/2016 at 5:25 PM, SirEpicTickles said:

Do you agree with hackers?

How would your gaming experience be if 90% of the players would use hacks? Would you be able to mind your game and still enjoy it?

I could not.

It's the same with brightness and gamma. A game is enjoyable as long as everybody gets the same chance to thrive.

@Just Caused It's never a 100%, but it's the same principle as with hackers and whitelisting. They could whitelist and use hacks, but most of the time it's not worth it. While on public servers they can just join and do their crap.

 

 

I would just like to point out how awesome hacker fights would be. 

[ZomboWTF 527]

On 11.4.2016 at 6:50 PM, Just Caused said:

What makes you think people won't increase their gamma on monitors if gamma in-game gets disabled?

increasing gamma on you monitor will not make you able to see more, it will just make the black to a grey and the grey to a white color, the ingame slider works differently

the problem with the ingame gamma slider is that people can adjust it on the fly, and it makes you see more in the night when you normally would only see black

i'd say for people who complain about it: either adapt and use it yourself to not be at a disadvantage, play on day-only servers, or stop complaining,
the only way to enforce such a thing would be to set minimum and maximum gamma and brightness values server-side,
which should be pretty easy to do, but it's nothing which should be looked at right now

Edited May 12, 2016 by ZomboWTF