Possible improvement for third person and fire fights.

[Baker. 1484]

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DayZ hipsters man. 

Edited June 10, 2015 by B@ker

[Connect3d 29]

Um no.

 

Vocal minority^^

 

Your posts are becoming more and more childish and ignorant. I'll ignore you from now on, as you seem unable to have a proper discussing.

[mercules 1290]

DayZ hipsters man. 

 

Your new one:

 

Hipster would mean I dislike 3rd because it is popular, which is untrue. I dislike it because it has multiple flaws that hurt DayZ gameplay and make it less worthwhile and meaningful. 

[Baker. 1484]

Your posts are becoming more and more childish and ignorant. I'll ignore you from now on, as you seem unable to have a proper discussing.

I could post the same "bandwagon" meme over and over instead of saying anything, but you guys thought of it first.

 

Bottom line is. No matter how much your side rattles the cage, 3rd person is more enjoyable to 99% of the player base. And the only reason the existence of 3rd person is an issue for any of you is because you have no one to play with. I personally bought and paid for a 1st person server because I was under the impression (based on all the 3pp rage posts is read) that it was a lack of servers that was the problem not a lack of players. I discovered first hand that while my 3rd person server went to the top 20 in the world, the 1pp server was a ghost town. I can appreciate its frustrating that no one wants to play the game you want to play, I live this is everyday playing vanilla dayz mod. But its not going to change. The OP is just a rehash of 1000 other identical ermagerd wallhacks!!-type posts. 

[Baker. 1484]

Your new one:

 

Hipster would mean I dislike 3rd because it is popular, which is untrue. I dislike it because it has multiple flaws that hurt DayZ gameplay and make it less worthwhile and meaningful. 

I love these, even though I would rather articulate my own thoughts instead of  just posting a prewritten definition of terms taught in a first year debate class but hey to each their own. 

Edited June 10, 2015 by B@ker

[mercules 1290]

I could post the same "bandwagon" meme over and over instead of saying anything, but you guys thought of it first.

Well, I was pretty sure you missed it the first time since you repeated the exact same fallacy that since something is popular it must be better. ;)

And the only reason the existence of 3rd person is an issue for any of you is because you have no one to play with.

I actually think those who don't play 1st person are doing a disservice to themselves and DayZ. I give my wife no end of grief for listening to Nickleback, I'm not going to tell her she can't, but I will happily tell her my opinion as to the quality of that band. Just like I'll let everyone who takes the easy way out that I think they are missing something.

The only reason 3pp servers are an issue for me is that like the "Staring Loadout AK/Food/Water/Backpack" servers for the mod I believe it removes some of the challenge and therefore some of the enjoyment of playing a tough game. It's like enabling cheat codes in a 1st person game. Sure it doesn't hurt anyone, but I would advise not using them because it can ruin the game. As long as those servers exist players will take the easy way out.

I discovered first hand that while my 3rd person server went to the top 20 in the world, the 1pp server was a ghost town.

Is it private or public. You will find a lot of the people who enjoy 1pp also tend to hop on private servers, again, better experience, can't server hop for loot and such.

I can appreciate its frustrating that no one wants to play the game you want to play, I live this is everyday playing vanilla dayz mod.

And why do you play Vanilla? Because it is more or less challenging than some of the mods?

[Coheed_IV 381]

The thing is we are not playing DayZ right now. I like 1pp, but there is no point right now, there are no infected, there is no real challange. I think this is why everyone is on 3pp now, it will always be more populated, but not to this extreme.

The 1pp and the gameplay it forces is more closely inline with the final vision of dayz. This is why the 3pp will be changed.

Everytime a survivor spots a infected over a fence a dev cries. They are putting all their tech know how into infected numbers. 3 to 4 thousand, at best guess. Servers will have a limit. Since this is a limiting factor, 3pp will change.

It's not really about which one is better, has more to do with matching the dayz mod brutal survival concept.

Edited June 10, 2015 by Coheed_IV

[Baker. 1484]

And why do you play Vanilla? Because it is more or less challenging than some of the mods?

I don't find it all that challenging anymore. But its the most authentic Apocalypse simulation I've ever played. Its a wonderful "lord of the flies" sociological sandbox. The epochs and overpochs are fun too but more in a "lets have a few beers and blow stuff up with a tank" kind of way.

[Baker. 1484]

Everytime a survivor spots a infected over a fence a dev cries.

I like you ;)

[Baker. 1484]

Is it private or public. You will find a lot of the people who enjoy 1pp also tend to hop on private servers, again, better experience, can't server hop for loot and such.

 

It is private. I have no interest in the public hive it ruins the game IMHO

[mercules 1290]

I don't find it all that challenging anymore.

It's not, not really. Are there any 1st person only vanilla servers left? If so do you think they would be a little more challenging? (Probably not as zombies are so easy to avoid in the mod. Run them into a building and pop them when they slowly shuffle toward you.) I know flying a helicopter in 1st is a nice challenge. You really have to retrain yourself.

[mercules 1290]

It is private. I have no interest in the public hive it ruins the game IMHO

Share the IP or name and if the ping isn't horrible I'll jump on it for sure. My friends are playing on Gents of Novo right now because it's a blast wandering into Novo and hanging out with friendly people as it is a no PVP city for the most part where people set up trading spots and such, but it is 1st/3rd and that is one thing none of us like about it.

[BeefBacon 1185]

I love these, even though I would rather articulate my own thoughts instead of  just posting a prewritten definition of terms taught in a first year debate class but hey to each their own. 

 

And yet you resort to these arguments. Maybe you should have taken that first year debate class.

 

I'm interested to see what the devs do to fix 3pp exploits. They clearly have it on the agenda so I'm keen to see what they come up with before I start coming up with roundabout ideas. Not allowing 3pp with a weapon drawn isn't the worst idea I've seen, however. It'd certainly stop players from popping round a corner and spamming SKS rounds in 3pp until they hit something.

[Baker. 1484]

It's not, not really. Are there any 1st person only vanilla servers left? If so do you think they would be a little more challenging? (Probably not as zombies are so easy to avoid in the mod. Run them into a building and pop them when they slowly shuffle toward you.) I know flying a helicopter in 1st is a nice challenge. You really have to retrain yourself.

 

I like to see my character. I like to watch his story unfold. I don't like 3pp because its easier to bandit. I like watching him make fires, run, chop trees and craft things.

 

And yes it is quite fun to fly 1st person.  

 

Share the IP or name and if the ping isn't horrible I'll jump on it for sure. My friends are playing on Gents of Novo right now because it's a blast wandering into Novo and hanging out with friendly people as it is a no PVP city for the most part where people set up trading spots and such, but it is 1st/3rd and that is one thing none of us like about it.

Well sweet baby jesus. There are 20 people on there. 

[mercules 1290]

I like to see my character. I like to watch his story unfold. I don't like 3pp because its easier to bandit. I like watching him make fires, run, chop trees and craft things.

Ah... I don't like to make a puppet dance. I prefer to see it in 1st. I feel like it is more 'me' instead of my puppet.

 

Well sweet baby jesus. There are 20 people on there. 

As I feared, overseas and I had to bump my ping filter up to see it. Sorry, I would join it otherwise. :(

[bonesnap 75]

Bottom line is. No matter how much your side rattles the cage, 3rd person is more enjoyable to 99% of the player base. And the only reason the existence of 3rd person is an issue for any of you is because you have no one to play with.

I hope you realize that the only reason the 3rd person servers have such high populations is because the players who actually prefer 1st-person servers are basically forced to play on the 3rd-person servers because they actually have higher player populations already, thus further inflating the numbers.

 

If there were 1st-person servers that consistently had 40+ players, I would definitely be on them (and I am when they are available and populated).

 

tl;dr - 3rd person servers only have so many players on their servers because players who prefer 1st-person play on them because the 1PP servers are ghost towns.

 

It's easier said than done to just ask all the 1st-person fans to band wagon and all join the 1PP servers at once. It's like trying to form your own Union at a job without any guaranteed reassurances. The vast majority don't have the reassurances, and don't want to take their chances.

Edited June 11, 2015 by bonesnap

[darkrider400 76]

I play 3rd person because Im used to it. So far, I play 3rd person games such as GTA, APB: Reloaded, Call of Duty (every now and then, still sucks tho), and Need for Speed, and Ace Combat were all 3rd person experiences for me, so I basically grew up on 3rd person. I do like 1st person DayZ sometimes, if I have friends on.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Listening to Justin Beiber must be an amazing experience then.... Oh wait.

 

Um....

 

 

McDonalds must have AMAZING food then.... No? But they have however many trillion served... seems popular.

 

 

 

Well Oliva Newton-John's 'Physical' must be the best and most influential piece of music to come out of the 1980s as it was one of the top 100 hits for the '80s, right?

 

The bandwagon fallacy only applies when you're dealing with factual arguments - preferential styles of gameplay are opinions, and when you're arguing an opinion it is generally a good idea to look at the majority because the decision will appease the most people if it's the most popular.

 

Listening to Justin Bieber might not be an amazing experience to someone like you or me, but it certainly is to a significant demographic. You can dismiss the music or the people who listen to it as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it is popular with a lot of people (even though I agree with you in that it is certainly not an amazing experience for me.)

 

McDonalds food, again, is an entirely opinionated argument. We don't find it amazing, but some might (although I don't think that many people actually love the food, I think they just use it because it's quick, simple, and readily available.) That doesn't change the fact that it serves a very large number of people, and it certainly has nothing to do with whether it should be unavailable or not.

 

The Olivia Newton-John argument doesn't really apply because that's dealing with the past, whereas the issue of third person gameplay is a present issue. In the future people might look back and say; "hey, DayZ would've been better if it were only 1PP", but we're not at that point yet, because we're in the present discussing the issue now.

 

 

The problem with your argument is that you seem to be under the assumption that majority is irrelevant. When dealing with facts, that's true, a fact is a fact whether everyone believes it, one person believes it, or nobody believes it; it doesn't change. When dealing with opinions, it's absolutely relevant (usually), because an opinion is how someone feels about a subjective issue, and when you're making a gamewide decision on whether or not to do something that would affect a lot of people, it's probably better to look at the wide range of opinions rather than a few.

 

And I'd just like to put a disclaimer that I play almost exclusively on 1PP now unless I'm not playing seriously, and actually prefer it far over 3PP. I still think that having the option available is a better way of doing it than picking an extreme, and that the devs are taking the best course of action in allowing it as a playstyle while improving upon the issues that make it problematic.

 

I hope you realize that the only reason the 3rd person servers have such high populations is because the players who actually prefer 1st-person servers are basically forced to play on the 3rd-person servers because they actually have higher player populations already, thus further inflating the numbers.

 

If there were 1st-person servers that consistently had 40+ players, I would definitely be on them (and I am when they are available and populated).

 

tl;dr - 3rd person servers only have so many players on their servers because players who prefer 1st-person play on them because the 1PP servers are ghost towns.

 

It's easier said than done to just ask all the 1st-person fans to band wagon and all join the 1PP servers at once. It's like trying to form your own Union at a job without any guaranteed reassurances. The vast majority don't have the reassurances, and don't want to take their chances.

 

That's certainly the case for some people, but it doesn't really help your argument at all, because for one it's still going to be a comparatively small amount of people (you can actively see many people, even here on the forums, voice that they prefer 3PP, and even then if enough people preferred 1PP then it wouldn't be a problem), and it shows that those people don't care enough to actually do something about it (they're certainly not being forced to not play on those servers - the biggest gripes I hear are that they don't have enough other players and that the fewer server choices means lower performance.) If you want something to change it's your job to do something about it, and if you're not willing to deal with the consequences that come with going through getting change then don't complain when people don't take your side.

 

It's sort of like the Tumblrinas who try and act like the vast majority of people are homosexuals (no problem with them by the way, just an analogy) but don't come out of the closet for fear of being chastised. Like that's clearly true for a good number of people but it still doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of the human race is heterosexual, just like the vast majority of DayZ players stick to 3PP for one reason or another.

[bonesnap 75]

I really have no quarrels with 3PP..

 

..if they find permanent resolution to looking over walls and such with it.

 

They are making progress at least, and it would be to the benefit of the community to find this sort of proper resolution rather than just disable 3PP altogether in favor of 1PP.

[scriptfactory 620]

I really have no quarrels with 3PP..

 

..if they find permanent resolution to looking over walls and such with it.

 

They are making progress at least, and it would be to the benefit of the community to find this sort of proper resolution rather than just disable 3PP altogether in favor of 1PP.

 

3PP and 1PP-only servers seem to work quite well in ARK and H1Z1. I am renting a 1PP-only hardcore ARK server and it is constantly full.

I hope they don't get rid of 1PP mode in DayZ since it works. Once DayZ is further along in its development process (e.g. when it has better client performance, player movement, etc.) I'm sure the 1PP servers will fill up again.

 

Edit: Also, the new 3PP mode is bad. I'm sorry but the OTS 3rd person in ARK is why I disabled that mode on my server. The worst. We are currently writing an ARK mod for a 3PP mode that is closer to the original one in DayZ.

Edited June 23, 2015 by scriptfactory

[doctorbadsign 645]

I don't think its really necessary given that we have different servers.

 

If you don't like 3PP combat go for the 1PP servers. 

 

I'm not sure what the issue with that system is? No point arguing about which is better, it's subjective, we all have different criteria for what makes the game fun and interesting for us. It's been done to death, no one person is right or wrong.

 

It reminds me of people at school arguing over whether skateboarding is better than BMXing...

 

 

[=RK=Achilles 31]

I don't think its really necessary given that we have different servers.

 

If you don't like 3PP combat go for the 1PP servers. 

 

I'm not sure what the issue with that system is? No point arguing about which is better, it's subjective, we all have different criteria for what makes the game fun and interesting for us. It's been done to death, no one person is right or wrong.

 

It reminds me of people at school arguing over whether skateboarding is better than BMXing...

 Just because people like a broken system, doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed.  The dev's have even stated that they would like a solution.  I would be all for it because, at times, I like to see my character in the environment, I like to see my gear outside of the inventory tab.  But... combat involving walls, buildings, and doorways, trees is a joke. Nothing realistic or tactical about it.  It's a crutch that many have come to rely on and it will hurt when that crutch is taken away.  I can hope anyway...

[doctorbadsign 645]

 Just because people like a broken system, doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed.  The dev's have even stated that they would like a solution.  I would be all for it because, at times, I like to see my character in the environment, I like to see my gear outside of the inventory tab.  But... combat involving walls, buildings, and doorways, trees is a joke. Nothing realistic or tactical about it.  It's a crutch that many have come to rely on and it will hurt when that crutch is taken away.  I can hope anyway...

 

I don't see it as a broken system. If all the servers were 3PP then yeah it would be a problem because those who play in 1PP would be at a constant disadvantage. But we have our own servers to play on. 

 

If you want a realistic tactical experience play on 1PP servers and leave the others to look around their walls etc. As far as I am aware they have implemented a fix for this anyway.

 

I don't like the exploits in 3PP, I don't play on 3PP servers. That's the end of it as far as I'm concerned, I'm not going to achieve anything by giving people who do play on 3PP aggro.

[Parazight 1599]

I play both modes an equal amount of time, for various reasons, and love them both. I see people cry "exploit" and I honestly don't understand it or how people can form arguments for one or the other based on opinion.

This "exploit" people talk of has been the best tool available to increase awareness and help me find other like minded players. Why would you want to promote less player interaction? Crazy logic suggests that the people who are against 3PP consider KOS mentality to be the norm.

I could also argue (but probably won't) that those who consider this "exploit" to be a bad thing are the same people who get attached to loot. Gear and your toon's life are very insignificant. Player interaction is paramount, 3PP seems to be a much better vehicle for facilitating this.

Okay, off to see how many times I get shot at today. :)