so much for the struggle

[Insane Ruffles 74]

You realize in a modern dehydrator it takes about 6 hours of marinating and 12-14 hours of drying to make jerky, right? You are complaining about spending 20 minutes looking for food.....

... What I meant was if you are going to spend a ton of time getting food, it should be rewarding. Jerky lasts as long as you need it to, and you can make a ton of it. And you don't need to marinate jerky.

Also, I did not prove your point. After getting geared, I did not find one way to get food. Not one. I found some seeds, but nothing else to grow them. Nothing for a fishing pole, and no guns for hunting. The only options were berries and Apples, and because they get picked at such a slow rate, I thought I was just making my self starving slowly instead of actually gaining enough hunger.

I hadn't played for awhile, and thought the rare loot would be refreshing, but it wasnt.

[Insane Ruffles 74]

I think us "hardcore elitist douchebags" forget that this is the only videogame in the whole world and should conform to everyone's wants and idea if fun perfectly. It's really a simple thing to do considering there are no other choices and everybody like exactly the same things.

No, it's the fact that nearly every one who shares your opinion is a total dick about it, and insults and makes fun of others for having a different opinion. I didn't say anything about it until recently, because its ridiculous. Your opinions are no more valid than anyone else's.

[BCBasher 2465]

No, it's the fact that nearly every one who shares your opinion is a total dick about it, and insults and makes fun of others for having a different opinion. I didn't say anything about it until recently, because its ridiculous. Your opinions are no more valid than anyone else's.

And no less valid.

I do like mine better though.

[mercules 1290]

Also, I did not prove your point. After getting geared, I did not find one way to get food. Not one. I found some seeds, but nothing else to grow them. Nothing for a fishing pole, and no guns for hunting. The only options were berries and Apples, and because they get picked at such a slow rate, I thought I was just making my self starving slowly instead of actually gaining enough hunger.

I hadn't played for awhile, and thought the rare loot would be refreshing, but it wasnt.

 

So you didn't find, shovel, camp shovel, ice axe, hoe, pick axe OR a single garden plot? You didn't find a single canteen, water bottle, and it never rained while you were playing? I find that hard to believe. You also don't need guns to hunt, you can actually get close enough to melee animals if you are patient, or even gut players if you find a dead one or make a corpse. I wouldn't eat the meat, but the guts are handy. Apples will actually energize and hydrate you fairly well, I'd say about 9 total will get you to the bottom of dark green which with my 1 in 5 rough success rate for searching means spending about 20 minutes total should get you energize and hydrated enough you can run 3k or more. 

 

 

See, the problem is you don't WANT to have to survive. So you don't bother. Then you blame the SURVIVAL game for being a survival game. 

 

 

Oh, and yeah we are dicks about it because if you didn't want to play a survival game... why are you playing a survival game?

[Insane Ruffles 74]

So you didn't find, shovel, camp shovel, ice axe, hoe, pick axe OR a single garden plot? You didn't find a single canteen, water bottle, and it never rained while you were playing? I find that hard to believe. You also don't need guns to hunt, you can actually get close enough to melee animals if you are patient, or even gut players if you find a dead one or make a corpse. I wouldn't eat the meat, but the guts are handy. Apples will actually energize and hydrate you fairly well, I'd say about 9 total will get you to the bottom of dark green which with my 1 in 5 rough success rate for searching means spending about 20 minutes total should get you energize and hydrated enough you can run 3k or more.

See, the problem is you don't WANT to have to survive. So you don't bother. Then you blame the SURVIVAL game for being a survival game.

Oh, and yeah we are dicks about it because if you didn't want to play a survival game... why are you playing a survival game?

No, I did not find any of those. I found a pipe as my only weapon. People have different ideas of what a survival game is. The majority of people want it to be Zombie survival, not hunger survival. Hunger shouldn't be the primary threat in the game, it should be a passive threat/concern just as it would be for real.

[BCBasher 2465]

Majority™

 

The majority also know exactly how a real zombie apocalypse would work. The majority knows that there'd be lots of food in all the places the'd expect to find it. They know goddamn well know they'd just be able to dodge some easy zeds and get on with pew-pewing at each other in big cities.

 

.55 was broken in some ways but so was the .54 placeholder loot system before it and most of the complaints complaints from the casuals are about thing that we were told were going to happen.

 

You disregard that this game is supposed to be fucking hard, unforgiving, tedious, and lead to disappointment and then say "I don't like it, change it".

 

I still haven't seen any polls or stats proving this "majority" and you or I never will so quit saying it, you look stupid.

Edited April 22, 2015 by BCBasher

[Whyherro123 2283]

... What I meant was if you are going to spend a ton of time getting food, it should be rewarding. Jerky lasts as long as you need it to, and you can make a ton of it. And you don't need to marinate jerky.

Also, I did not prove your point. After getting geared, I did not find one way to get food. Not one. I found some seeds, but nothing else to grow them. Nothing for a fishing pole, and no guns for hunting. The only options were berries and Apples, and because they get picked at such a slow rate, I thought I was just making my self starving slowly instead of actually gaining enough hunger.

I hadn't played for awhile, and thought the rare loot would be refreshing, but it wasnt.

The thing is: you can't survive off jerky. Or, rather, just jerky alone. Jerky is, by definition, dehydrated lean meat (I prefer smoking meat, which actually does NOT make jerky, it makes something else), and you need fat to survive. However, jerky is easy to store for long periods of time, and can be re-hydrated to use in other recipes.

 

Also, jerky forms part of the one food you CAN survive off of, meaning you can eat ONLY this with no ill effects to health. Pemmican. Take jerky and pound until the meat is shredded fine. Then, take melted fat and mix it together in a 1:1 ratio. You can, and I prefer to,. mix in dried berries like blueberries or cranberries, then wrap it up in a breathable bag. It will last next-to-forever, and it actually tastes pretty good. It was used as a "trade good" by Great Plains Native Americans.

 

[mercules 1290]

No, I did not find any of those. I found a pipe as my only weapon. People have different ideas of what a survival game is. The majority of people want it to be Zombie survival, not hunger survival. Hunger shouldn't be the primary threat in the game, it should be a passive threat/concern just as it would be for real.

 

For real...

 

Have you never gone hiking/camping/boating/hunting away from civilization for an extended period of time? Have you never been in a crisis situation? I hate to tell you this but food and potable water are your primary survival concerns in those situations. You see... you could avoid zombies almost indefinitely simply by holing up in a locked room of a building. The "threat" with that is that you will need water and food in said room. Even if it is packed top to bottom and you have a place for your bodily waste to go eventually you will run out and have to face the threat of the zombies to gather more... food and water. 

[Schweinsteiger 107]

The thing is: you can't survive off jerky. Or, rather, just jerky alone. Jerky is, by definition, dehydrated lean meat (I prefer smoking meat, which actually does NOT make jerky, it makes something else), and you need fat to survive. However, jerky is easy to store for long periods of time, and can be re-hydrated to use in other recipes.

 

Also, jerky forms part of the one food you CAN survive off of, meaning you can eat ONLY this with no ill effects to health. Pemmican. Take jerky and pound until the meat is shredded fine. Then, take melted fat and mix it together in a 1:1 ratio. You can, and I prefer to,. mix in dried berries like blueberries or cranberries, then wrap it up in a breathable bag. It will last next-to-forever, and it actually tastes pretty good. It was used as a "trade good" by Great Plains Native Americans.

 

My wife's an Indian from South Dakota. They call it "Wasna" and they tipically used to use the kidney fat from Buffalo, then pounded in choke cherries and wild plumes, etc. I recall some archaeologists found a Lakota (in traditional Lakota territory) food cache filled with a giant ball of Wasna. It was still edible after a good 150 years (it may have been a lot older, I forget). Here's a link on how to make the Lakota version:

 

http://www.tankabar.com/cgi-bin/nanf/public/viewStory.cvw?sessionid=3163cd1a2fd52a6767152cfcc288df47ddad0&sectionname=Buffalo%20Nation&storyid=62133

 

And a quote:

 

"Once the bapa is thoroughly dry, it's mixed with the cherry patties and a little buffalo kidney fat. She said that to make a couple of pounds of wasna, you add about a tablespoon of kidney fat and some cherry juice.

"You have to develop an eye for it depending on the texture of the bapa," she said. "Some bapa is really dry so you have to add more fat."

Auntie Kay said using buffalo fat was essential to the recipe because using beef fat makes the mixture gel up and can lead to spoiling. "If you were to make wasna in modern days now with cow fat, there is no way any warriors would take it with them for two or three weeks. It would be pretty ripe by then."

 

Bapa is simply dried meat, no frills or marinades. The fat ratio is wrong in the above quote (according to my wife) and the quote does come from a commercial venture (Tanka Bars) a tradition Lakota food. My wife's grandmother also added cornmeal to her wasna and only choke cherries, no cranberries.

Edited April 23, 2015 by Schweinsteiger

[vfxtodd 125]

Wow. Dumb ideas galore. Make food MORE rare? Don't sprint everywhere? Do you guys proofread your posts at all?

It's an open world game. Over 200 square kilometers. Food supplies are MILES apart. You have to go miles to find anything. The 0.55 patch made supplies as scarce as they should ever be. DayZ is as "real" as it should be. More realism and they'll never sell a single copy.

The environment is HUGE. You have to run most of the time. If you don't it will take hours to get anything done. It already takes hours of playing to accomplish anything in DayZ. You want to make harder than 0.55?

And who says how much food and supplies would be available? When was the time you lived through a zombie apocalypse?

Let the devs do their job. They'll figure out what works best.

[Jonah_Hobbes 171]

The thing is: you can't survive off jerky. Or, rather, just jerky alone. Jerky is, by definition, dehydrated lean meat (I prefer smoking meat, which actually does NOT make jerky, it makes something else), and you need fat to survive. However, jerky is easy to store for long periods of time, and can be re-hydrated to use in other recipes.

 

Also, jerky forms part of the one food you CAN survive off of, meaning you can eat ONLY this with no ill effects to health. Pemmican. Take jerky and pound until the meat is shredded fine. Then, take melted fat and mix it together in a 1:1 ratio. You can, and I prefer to,. mix in dried berries like blueberries or cranberries, then wrap it up in a breathable bag. It will last next-to-forever, and it actually tastes pretty good. It was used as a "trade good" by Great Plains Native Americans.

 

 

 

That's not strictly true. One of the reasons Scott died on his his final mission to the south pole was that the ate too much Pemmican which is too rich in protein to be eaten all the time. The lack of variety of food almost sent them insane.

[Whyherro123 2283]

My wife's an Indian from South Dakota. They call it "Wasna" and they tipically used to use the kidney fat from Buffalo, then pounded in choke cherries and wild plumes, etc. I recall some archaeologists found a Lakota (in traditional Lakota territory) food cache filled with a giant ball of Wasna. It was still edible after a good 150 years (it may have been a lot older, I forget). Here's a link on how to make the Lakota version:

 

http://www.tankabar.com/cgi-bin/nanf/public/viewStory.cvw?sessionid=3163cd1a2fd52a6767152cfcc288df47ddad0&sectionname=Buffalo%20Nation&storyid=62133

 

And a quote:

 

"Once the bapa is thoroughly dry, it's mixed with the cherry patties and a little buffalo kidney fat. She said that to make a couple of pounds of wasna, you add about a tablespoon of kidney fat and some cherry juice.

"You have to develop an eye for it depending on the texture of the bapa," she said. "Some bapa is really dry so you have to add more fat."

Auntie Kay said using buffalo fat was essential to the recipe because using beef fat makes the mixture gel up and can lead to spoiling. "If you were to make wasna in modern days now with cow fat, there is no way any warriors would take it with them for two or three weeks. It would be pretty ripe by then."

 

Bapa is simply dried meat, no frills or marinades. The fat ratio is wrong in the above quote (according to my wife) and the quote does come from a commercial venture (Tanka Bars) a tradition Lakota food. My wife's grandmother also added cornmeal to her wasna and only choke cherries, no cranberries.

I took that ratio of meat/fat straight from Wikipedia. Take that as you may. I am sure people who make/made it know better.

 

But, I have made Pemmican (with deer meat and deer tallow), and where I am from, I prefer to use blueberries and cranberries. They are exponentially easier to find (cranberries grow in literal carpets on the ground, and there are whole thickets of blueberry bushes). I can gather hundreds, if not thousands of berries with only about an hour of dedicated gathering. 

 

Use what you've got, I guess.

[BCBasher 2465]

Wow. Dumb ideas galore. Make food MORE rare? Don't sprint everywhere? Do you guys proofread your posts at all?

It's an open world game. Over 200 square kilometers. Food supplies are MILES apart. You have to go miles to find anything. The 0.55 patch made supplies as scarce as they should ever be. DayZ is as "real" as it should be. More realism and they'll never sell a single copy.

The environment is HUGE. You have to run most of the time. If you don't it will take hours to get anything done. It already takes hours of playing to accomplish anything in DayZ. You want to make harder than 0.55?

And who says how much food and supplies would be available? When was the time you lived through a zombie apocalypse?

Let the devs do their job. They'll figure out what works best.

 

Wow, don't speak for me buddy. I'm getting every penny out of taking hours to get around and securing my survival.

 

I put some pizza pops in the microwave at 1730 yesterday and logged in and got to work on building my base camp on a new server. I got a nice pile of bags full of goodies central to some towns and an airfield and remembered I was hungry IRL. I wondered why my pizza pops were cold still and looked at the microwave clock 2115, I'd say the game successfully killed over 3 hours of my no kids/wife night which is exactly what I look for in a game. 

Edited April 24, 2015 by BCBasher

[GregzTheGreat 33]

i played for an hour and the magic was gone we had a decent camp going with some folks i met at random we all were helping each other get food ammo and gas in the truck now eveyone will probably kill each other because there's no need to team because there's no struggle. oh well here's hoping its back in .56

Didn't you see what the status report said? 0.56 will bring back the old loot system but improved. You'll have your experience again, but the old placeholder system is here for now as they prepare for 0.56's change.

[surf_polar 110]

Wow. Dumb ideas galore. Make food MORE rare? Don't sprint everywhere? Do you guys proofread your posts at all?

It's an open world game. Over 200 square kilometers. Food supplies are MILES apart. You have to go miles to find anything. The 0.55 patch made supplies as scarce as they should ever be. DayZ is as "real" as it should be. More realism and they'll never sell a single copy.

The environment is HUGE. You have to run most of the time. If you don't it will take hours to get anything done. It already takes hours of playing to accomplish anything in DayZ. You want to make harder than 0.55?

And who says how much food and supplies would be available? When was the time you lived through a zombie apocalypse?

Let the devs do their job. They'll figure out what works best.

And another player who didn't inform himself beforehand and bought into the game expecting something different.

DayZ has often been subscribed as the 'anti game' to make the game feel like a struggle.

You are not supposed to run everywhere (stupid thing to do) or cross the map in an hour and this will eventually be supported by game mechanics.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

You are not supposed to run everywhere (stupid thing to do) or cross the map in an hour and this will eventually be supported by game mechanics.

You're right, instead we'll be flying everywhere as per a tweet from a dev

[jbec-john 33]

I still haven't seen any polls or stats proving this "majority" and you or I never will so quit saying it, you look stupid.

You could always just check out this graph that shows numbers have gone from 19k-25k players down to 9k-3k players since the 0.55 patch. Seems like a majority to me!

http://steamcharts.com/app/221100

[BCBasher 2465]

You could always just check out this graph that shows numbers have gone from 19k-25k players down to 9k-3k players since the 0.55 patch. Seems like a majority to me!

http://steamcharts.com/app/221100

Last time I checked majority meant more than half. There's other factors such as gtaV as well.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Last time I checked majority meant more than half. There's other factors such as gtaV as well.

It's not a bad thing.  Less whiny people

[jbec-john 33]

And the last time I checked 25k down to 9K is more than half gone.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

And the last time I checked 25k down to 9K is more than half gone.

So 16k whiners aren't playing.  What's the issue?

[emuthreat 2837]

Last time I checked majority meant more than half. There's other factors such as gtaV as well.

GTA V took away my peeps.

[jbec-john 33]

this is the problem with this forum. The people who want to search around for hours on end only to find scraps whine about the level of loot. The dev's see this and wrongly assume it's what players want. They then turn the game into a boring grindfest. Most of the players then leave because all the fun has been sucked out of the game, and the original minority of whiners come out with the usual plethora of insults about those who have left. I just hope the dev's either fix the issue, or hurry up and finish the game so people can get modding.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

this is the problem with this forum. The people who want to search around for hours on end only to find scraps whine about the level of loot. The dev's see this and wrongly assume it's what players want.

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/224381-things-are-looking-good-in-the-future/

[-Gews- 7443]

So 16k whiners aren't playing.  What's the issue?

 

If they made loot more abundant and survival easier then maybe there would be only a couple hundred "whiners" gone instead of the presumed thousands, and I'm sure they would attract more new players as well. So... what's the issue?