Why are there basically no 3pp:off servers - grow a pair.

[theirongiant 200]

How many of the hardcore 1PP players play with headbob turned on, given that headbob is both more realistic and more hardcore?

[Jex 1104]

The "4th wall fix" is a terrible solution. Looks absolutely ridiculous in practice and won't ever be implemented in the Standalone. Maybe after they allow mods in but that's pushing it.

 

It won't look ridiculous in first person though, will it.

[MagneticToast 102]

I wonder this often, I only play HC. I see a lot of low pop HC servers yet many full regular. I don't get it. Wah wah realism but first let me use 3pp. Dumb.

[Jex 1104]

How many of the hardcore 1PP players play with headbob turned on, given that headbob is both more realistic and more hardcore?

 

What? Go ahead and shake your head around and notice how your view doesn't bounce around - your eyes are gyroscopically stabalised - there's no such thing as head bob in the real world - it's actually camera shake.

[theirongiant 200]

What? Go ahead and shake your head around and notice how your view doesn't bounce around - your eyes are gyroscopically stabalised - there's no such thing as head bob in the real world - it's actually camera shake.

 

But it makes the game easier and gives you an advantage over players who don't use it, sounds like easymode to me. Maybe you should try playing console games, they cater more to your sort of casual player.

[MLG420blazeit 62]

But it makes the game easier and gives you an advantage over players who don't use it, sounds like easymode to me. Maybe you should try playing console games, they cater more to your sort of casual player.

Headbob isnt realistic or necessary and doesn't even give you an advantage to have it turned off.

Simply its personal preference. I leave a little headbob on, but too much makes me nauseous.

Headbob is nothing like 3p v.s 1p

[RDogg 42]

Now we are just grasping at straws. Head bob on ArmA and DayZ, even on minimal, feels so unrealistic, like your neck is made of jelly.

 

Think it would best this gets closed, nothing will change no matter how many points, good or bad, are made. There are servers out there on both SA and the Mod to cater for everyone, and if that's not enough there is always server hosting.

[Jex 1104]

But it makes the game easier and gives you an advantage over players who don't use it, sounds like easymode to me. Maybe you should try playing console games, they cater more to your sort of casual player.

 

WTF are you talking about? This is so moronic I want to swear at you but then I think that would be mean so I just feel sorry for you.

[Mystic Bagel 128]

I agree with Jexter......hey, if you have Parkinsons Disease and want to experience what trying to survive the Appocalypse would be like.....turn head bob on. Honestly...wtf is head bob? Is it off by default, because I haven't messed with any of those settings.

Easymode...lol...there is no head bob or 3pp in the real world. Granted I get your argument, this isn't the real world, BUT its supposed to be a survival experience.

Whatever, that's what Hardcore is for, and that's where I'll be spending all my time. Feel free to make it even MORE Hardcore, the Harder the better....but head bob? Get real

[MLG420blazeit 62]

I agree with Jexter......hey, if you have Parkinsons Disease and want to experience what trying to survive the Appocalypse would be like.....turn head bob on. Honestly...wtf is head bob? Is it off by default, because I haven't messed with any of those settings.

Easymode...lol...there is no head bob or 3pp in the real world. Granted I get your argument, this isn't the real world, BUT its supposed to be a survival experience.

Whatever, that's what Hardcore is for, and that's where I'll be spending all my time. Feel free to make it even MORE Hardcore, the Harder the better....but head bob? Get real

Headbobs in the game and on 50% as default.

[Mystic Bagel 128]

Huh....I haven't even noticed it.....might be time to schedule a visit with my Dr...........

[Jex 1104]

Headbobs in the game and on 50% as default.

 

Headbob needs to be removed from ALL FPS's - however..... Arma has always had camera positions in it from Operation Flashpoint which allows you to make cool movies and headbob can make for some really cool effects - in game however it's the most retard thing just like focus is.

 

Now games are making only the things in the centre of your screen being in focus and the edges blurred - FUCK OFF - I'll make my eyes work the way they work in RL thank you devs. Not some shitty ass version some cock thought up in a meeting.

 

Yes all game devs across the world are reading this thread which is why I added this here.

[Atom Quark 437]

I keep trying to get onto a reg server but my chars horendously massive balls kept getting stuck and he could not make the transition from a 1pp server to a 3pp server. I lubed up my ssd, gpu and cpu but that only made them swell more and now he can't even exit the door of a house in Svetlo. He was sitting down in the kitchen rubbing dead cow steaks on himself in hope that the rancid smell would shrivel his nut size, but alas it seems the meat has had an opposite affect and he is now balljammed between a wall and the sink. All manner of twisting and gun play has not helped. Send help soon..i'm afraid the lack of blood to his brain will render him useless.

 

If your balls are that large do not go in any structures, and play on 3pp so you can see over them.

[Jex 1104]

If your balls are that large do not go in any structures, and play on 3pp so you can see over them.

 

If they're hairy, get a friend to use a strimmer on them for you

[qww 287]

loads of people wouldnt play thsi game if they had to play it first person. im happy to let those noobs run around on regular as it keeps the game in sales,

i dont understand why they want to run around in 3rd, and i dont want to understand, but they arent causing me any problems so its no big deal.

 

it would be nice to see more busy hardcore servers, while there are always a couple in europe  that are busy (except very late at night)

[gannon46 788]

People are just used too much to the 3rd person crap imo. One gets used to 1st person only rather quickly if given an honest chance, imo. I think many people just wanna look at their chars from time to time, esp for some screenshots, beside the obvious campy 3rd person abusing. Many people are campers. The wallglitchers at NEA and roofcampers in berenzino are evidence of that. Esp the whole roofcamper concept would fall apart if there was only 1st person.

 

Imo we should get rid of 3rd person alltogether. Maybe would make for some less facepalming too while watching streams. I can't watch when people enter buildings in their 3rd person crap and then get shot because they can hardly aim at their enemies, just because they don't switch to 1st person.

 

Fuck your "playstyle". Get rid of 3rd person and force it on everyone. It's no big deal in any other shooter, why here then? It would transform some aspects of the game.

 

 

 

And to find more than 3 hardcore servers, don't enter any filters at all. The filters just look for matches in servernames. Just refresh without filter and then sort by gamemode.

the reason I like 3pp is what you said in your quote I just like to see my character it immerses me more I can see him eat and drink reloading etc. also 1pp gives me motion sickness even with headbob turned off makes me almost urk. when I get into firefights or assaulting a building/area its always 1pp because the accuracy with the guns in 3rd is atrocious and as I said before its more immersive for me. whatever helps you get immersed in the game that's what I'd do call me a wimp whatever I'm not a hardcore dayz player blah blah blah oh well. and can I get that printed on a card because folks say I play to much lol.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

It won't look ridiculous in first person though, will it.

Here's a better solution:

Remove 1st person view altogether. Make everyone play in 3rd person to be fair. Problem solved.

[karlkurtz32 59]

I can't believe people care this much about it. Play how you like. You don't like 3pp, play hardcore. Otherwise, is it really that big of a deal?

[Khanarac 252]

the reason I like 3pp is what you said in your quote I just like to see my character it immerses me more I can see him eat and drink reloading etc. also 1pp gives me motion sickness even with headbob turned off makes me almost urk. when I get into firefights or assaulting a building/area its always 1pp because the accuracy with the guns in 3rd is atrocious and as I said before its more immersive for me. whatever helps you get immersed in the game that's what I'd do call me a wimp whatever I'm not a hardcore dayz player blah blah blah oh well. and can I get that printed on a card because folks say I play to much lol.

I can emphasize and Imo your post is very reasonable. The best solution would be like in that Arma3 mod someone linked earlier, where you can't see players/zombies in 3rd person if you wouldn't be able to see them in 1st person. Thats the most elegant solution imo. And if a damn modder can pull it off, why not Bohemia? I'd rather like sitting on the fire and fishing in 3rd person too.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Khanarac

[theirongiant 200]

WTF are you talking about? This is so moronic I want to swear at you but then I think that would be mean so I just feel sorry for you.

 

I'll not take it personally, I was making the point that someone could always claim to play more hardcore than you do by making the game harder for themselves, doesn't make them right or you wrong. There's a reason the majority of people like 3PP, it's cause 1PP is just plain unpleasant for a lot of people, it's got hee-haw to do with easy mode but 1PP-ers always throw that out there as the strawman to whale on. Hell, the zero punctuation review referred to it as running about with a washing machine strapped to your head, a description that Dean Hall has referenced a few times himself. Plenty of people play 1PP games, it's not like Battlefield, Cod, TF2 or Counterstrike aren't popular, don't think anyone would play them in 3PP even if given the option. Why not just let people play the game the way they want to rather than each side trying to force their way. 

[daringd 88]

 

 

 

You should have used Simoncelli...

Edited June 18, 2014 by daringd

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

3pp should never be part of an online shooter. It's bad for gameplay which people have stated numerous reasons why. Also it segregates the community.

[daringd 88]

I think real badasses play as 1pp in 3pp servers.

 

This topic is sort of pointless in many respects, since no one makes 1pp players have to play with 3pp players.

 

I see lots of arguments on both sides, and I agree no one should stamp 1pp onto people who don't want that, or the other way around.

 

I play 1pp all the time now because I like that peple can't lay in wait and jump out on me without giving themselves away, the argument for looking over fences is fine to a point, but if you peep over a fence in rfeal life, you have to put your head up over it, and then it is in danger of being seen and getting a bullet in it.  

 

I think if they introduced the Inbetween Stance thingy™ as seen in Arma3, and a sort of peep over wall stance, plus a Take cover against wall/object and peep from there kind of option, it would probably stop a lot of people going to 3pp because then they would have other ways to see without breaking cover completely, like you can't now.

 

Maybe?

 

(also a 2014 Yamaha M1 Rossi Rep' so I can get some serious 'knee down' head shots coming out of that nice long left hander coming into Svetlo' from the south, one hand on the gas, the other squeezing off rounds  -  this is not serious.)

Edited June 18, 2014 by daringd

[Sooden 301]

I'm confused. If 1pp was more wanted, there would be more 1pp server. Put asides visual hacks and insult for a second (Though was funny to read) but Dayz has provided the option and people are making their choices (vote with your feet). Also I believe Dazy want to keep they game open to as many players they can, and a lot of people like 3pp for many reasons. For one, i cant stand the breathing noise in 1pp and l like to take photos of my player for stories, so don't insult all 3pp in one go.

 

if there are less and less 1pp servers then that's how the game is and maybe its not for you (cus everyone keeps saying it lol. Games being made for the wider market not just you). Just like, if they don't add private hives so I can get away from the boring KOSing, then this game will not be for me, but I'm happy to take part in development and see what happens.

 

Saying 3pp should not be in the game, but it is and people are using that more, make no sense at all. On the forums (me included) people come to vent about things they don't like, we don't hear form all the others that are happy with the 1pp/3pp choice.

 

DayZ has it 2 variants of the game, why would you remove one? people just pick the one they want, for what ever reason. You just want people to play your way, so you have more people to play with (Mommy, the others kids wont play with me!)

Edited June 18, 2014 by Sooden

[gannon46 788]

I wish they would do something like "The Fourth Wall" mod. If it was done properly we would not even need separate hives. No "hardcore", just "DayZ".

I would be down for this even though I don't think we should give in to you 1pp only cats but if it will shut you all up for good I'd be down for it. also until the hacks are squashed atleast a little I don't think this will work they would just turn it off and it would still be the same issue. and yes I know there will always be haxxors but as I've read seems to be getting worse beforew it gets better so I'd rather have them implement fixes for that and other things before they start trying to fix whiners.