Why are there basically no 3pp:off servers - grow a pair.

[rickyriot 1009]

Ok, lets make the game insanely hard, make it really difficult, really realistic..

 

Finally! I knew you'd come around in the end.

[Hetstaine 10852]

I keep trying to get onto a reg server but my chars horendously massive balls kept getting stuck and he could not make the transition from a 1pp server to a 3pp server. I lubed up my ssd, gpu and cpu but that only made them swell more and now he can't even exit the door of a house in Svetlo. He was sitting down in the kitchen rubbing dead cow steaks on himself in hope that the rancid smell would shrivel his nut size, but alas it seems the meat has had an opposite affect and he is now balljammed between a wall and the sink. All manner of twisting and gun play has not helped. Send help soon..i'm afraid the lack of blood to his brain will render him useless.

[Jex 1104]

That doesn't dispel anything...The guy on the roof always has advantage , whether he's in first person or third person, he has the height advantage (enabling him to poke his weapon over the edge) where as the guy on the ground has full body revealed, now whether that situation was in 1st or 3rd, it wouldnt make much difference.

 

Oh so you admit it makes a difference then don't you - and that difference is HUGE. You can try and brush it off all you like but using third person view whilst laying on a roof is HUGELY different from you having to phyiscally look over it (and skyline yourself which is a huge giveaway anyway).

[blunce 991]

mhh...all my favorited Servers are hardcore and they are allways full or almost full.

Same here.

[Karmaterror 982]

Ohh another eliteist thread......bunch of pussies cant hack a bit of 3pp danger. Soriously if ya too scared of getting peeked on, go play hardcore. dont come on here and spit your dummys out because *snif snif* all the HC servers are empty.

 

NEWSFLASH

 

It was the 1pp elitists that didn't even want to be in the same servers as 3pp users.....they bitched....they moaned.....they got hardcore mode (nice ego stroke in the title there). But no....still not happy....well I say tough. Theres nothing wrong with wanting to play a 3pp server and nothing wrong with wanting to play HC. Just dont try and fuck things up for the other half that dont play like you.

 

I sense a filter fail on your part OP, as others have said filter for Hardcore not 3ppoff....I never have a prob finding a fullish server to play with my friends.

 

 

3pp is bullshit and people who defend it are the ones using it to gain an unfair advantage over others by peeking around corners. Complete bullshit. l2p and stop being little bitches please.

 

What about the advantage it hands your opponents as you approach a city....they can all see you without exposure.....that makes for a much more threatening environment.  

 

If we dubbed it " the magic periscope" then think about this.....would you rather go up against a server of 99 people with this periscope.....or 99 without.....which one sounds harder??

 

Its not always about what advantage it can give you....but what advantage it gives your enemy.....id wager a lot of " 1pp pros" are just buthurt that they got peek'd on and ran to the bubblewrap land of Hardcore where it can never ever happen ;)

[Bororm 1156]

That doesn't dispel anything...The guy on the roof always has advantage , whether he's in first person or third person, he has the height advantage (enabling him to poke his weapon over the edge) where as the guy on the ground has full body revealed, now whether that situation was in 1st or 3rd, it wouldnt make much difference.

 

Don't bother dude, these guys can't look at the bigger picture.  You'll notice every example is always framed from the victim's standpoint, and set in a vacuum.  "Some guy can see you without exposing himself!" ignoring the fact they can do the same.  You notice that it's never some one saying "It's too easy for me, because I can shoot people without exposing myself," it's always "it's easy mode because people can shoot you without exposing themselves."  It's all painted from a victim's viewpoint because these people never adapt.  They then blame the mechanics.  This discussion will continue to happen forever, with these people ironically having tunnel vision.

 

They can't have a civil discussion without resorting to petty insults.  It's honestly not worth the time man.  "You can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink," and all that, they just don't get it because they don't want to get it.  It's easier to blame the game.  In their hearts they know it's bullshit, both modes are valid, one isn't more "hardcore" or "harder" which is why they resort to insults.  To cover up their insecurities and low self esteem.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Bororm

[Hetstaine 10852]

Are you guys here to help with my ball issues or just talking about periscopes and vacuums ?

Shit is serious yo.

[Jex 1104]

Don't bother dude, these guys can't look at the bigger picture.  You'll notice every example is always framed from the victim's standpoint, and set in a vacuum.  "Some guy can see you without exposing himself!" ignoring the fact they can do the same.  You notice that it's never some one saying "It's too easy for me, because I can shoot people without exposing myself," it's always "it's easy mode because people can shoot you without exposing themselves."  It's all painted from a victim's viewpoint because these people never adapt.  They then blame the mechanics.  This discussion will continue to happen forever, with these people ironically having tunnel vision.

 

They can't have a civil discussion without resorting to petty insults.  It's honestly not worth the time man.  "You can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink," and all that, they just don't get it because they don't want to get it.  It's easier to blame the game.  In their hearts they know it's bullshit, both modes are valid, one isn't more "hardcore" or "harder" which is why they resort to insults.  To cover up their insecurities and low self esteem.

 

If you think you have an argument go for it and I'll smash it to pieces. Let's see what you have.....

[-Gews- 7443]

Don't bother dude, these guys can't look at the bigger picture.  You'll notice every example is always framed from the victim's standpoint, and set in a vacuum.  "Some guy can see you without exposing himself!" ignoring the fact they can do the same.  You notice that it's never some one saying "It's too easy for me, because I can shoot people without exposing myself," it's always "it's easy mode because people can shoot you without exposing themselves."  It's all painted from a victim's viewpoint because these people never adapt.  They then blame the mechanics.  This discussion will continue to happen forever, with these people ironically having tunnel vision.

 

Easier, harder, doesn't matter - worse. If we are talking either good PvP mechanics or authenticity this should be a painfully obvious conclusion. If you care about neither then it doesn't really matter.

[rodolfoxiii 71]

Because it is boring

[Briljin 102]

I have never liked 1st person point of view, despite all the FPS I have played.  None of them have done a really good job replicating our actually awareness of our surroundings.  The do a rather piss poor job replicating two of our senses (and by piss poor I mean a much narrower field of view, poor sound depth) and have no chance of being able to simulate others.  For example, while I may not be able to see a "zed" standing in the next room, I sure the hell could smell his rotting ass.  Forgot about our sense of touch (being able to feel pressure changes, wind drafts from opened doors or vibrations from movement).  

 

What I will never understand the animosity some 1pp players have towards those who choice not to play by their play style in a game that allows for each group to play their own way.  Just enjoy Dayz the way you want to play it and enjoy it.  If you want to play "hardcore" great, there are servers just for you.

[pale1776 375]

People are just used too much to the 3rd person crap imo. One gets used to 1st person only rather quickly if given an honest chance, imo. I think many people just wanna look at their chars from time to time, esp for some screenshots, beside the obvious campy 3rd person abusing. Many people are campers. The wallglitchers at NEA and roofcampers in berenzino are evidence of that. Esp the whole roofcamper concept would fall apart if there was only 1st person.

Imo we should get rid of 3rd person alltogether. Maybe would make for some less facepalming too while watching streams. I can't watch when people enter buildings in their 3rd person crap and then get shot because they can hardly aim at their enemies, just because they don't switch to 1st person.

Fuck your "playstyle". Get rid of 3rd person and force it on everyone. It's no big deal in any other shooter, why here then? It would transform some aspects of the game.

And to find more than 3 hardcore servers, don't enter any filters at all. The filters just look for matches in servernames. Just refresh without filter and then sort by gamemode.

Maybe because this isnt a shooter game, its a survival game. If 3pp makes it harder to shoot inside buildings, then good. That means I have the better odds. Running across the map for hours gets old, and sometimes you wanna take in the whole scenery, and look at your character. Hell, in 3pp great cinematic DayZ movies have been made that 1pp would have ruined. Fuck YOUR "playstyle" what if they deleted hardcore altogether, would that be fair? No, it wouldnt. Damn man you sound like a liberal, ITS MY POINT OF VIEW AND I SHOULD FORCE IT ON EVERYONE BUT GOD FORBID YOU FORCE YOURS ON ME Edited June 18, 2014 by Owen.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

well dont say its so unrealistic then, because looking over a wall like that is realistic. The second point works both ways so is moot.-there is no advantage to a third person view, if everyone in the server has access to it.

Excepted that first person, unlike 3rd person, provide a "symmetric" experience between the observer and the observed that 3rd person doesn't offer.

 

If you still can't figure out why being able to scout an area, watch for other players/zombies or check if your car is still where you left it, without having to expose yourself is a terrible idea, we are beyond the world of reasoning or logic and there is nothing i can say that will change your mind.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Lady Kyrah

[Hetstaine 10852]

I can't even see the sink anymore.

[Mystic Bagel 128]

I don't like to play with babies, thats WHY I play on Hardcore servers exclusively. The sad thing is, and I need to take a few years step back......Ultima Online, in it's original release, was AWESOME...then a bunch of people started whining about how they get "murdered" by PC and they lose all their gear and loot. And they pounded their fists, and cried their baby tears, and they got a parallel world within the server where no more would they have to fear losing their shit. It was LAZY, and it was the beginning of the end. When I started playing, this sadness had already taken place, I chose to play on the original "Felucca" server because I don't like whiners. The shitty part though was, it was pretty much unpopulated unless people went there to pvp. The community had successfully been disposed of. Had their been no choice, and the game stayed true to it's original vision, everything would have remained right in the world. However, like they say, the squeeky wheel gets the grease, and nothing squeeks louder then a room full of bitches.

 At any rate, after having only played this game for about 8 hrs or so now, having been KoS a half dozen times, almost handcuffed and shot in the back after having been givin water, and been stalked by a guy who sounded a lot like "Latka" from taxi, which surprisingly gave me a pretty good dose of anxiety, I will not sway from hardcore servers.

I've even seen servers that say they are a NO PVP server....really? Sad.

However, I would rather the whiners play on other servers and there's no better way, if this is how it has to be, then to give them their own special place with a name, so I can avoid them at all costs.

That's my 2 cents, and it's on the house......

Edited June 18, 2014 by Mystic Bagel

[Hetstaine 10852]

You wanna know what's on the house ? My balls..that's what.

[Khanarac 252]

Maybe because this isnt a shooter game, its a survival game. 

Bollocks, Its both. Random baseless assertion. Also I actually get that people like to take some screenshots with their group and their character in the picture aswell. Maybe find a better mechanic to do so. A damn cinematic mode or something. I'm no game designer. But I think if they'd remove 3rd person alltogether, the first week we would have a shitstorm, then everyone would be used to it and adapt, and don't camp in such unfair spots. Berenzino Roofcampers in hardcore camp the top floor of the building, always exposing themselves when they look for targets. That's a good thing.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Khanarac

[agentneo 337]

Oh so you admit it makes a difference then don't you - and that difference is HUGE. You can try and brush it off all you like but using third person view whilst laying on a roof is HUGELY different from you having to phyiscally look over it (and skyline yourself which is a huge giveaway anyway).

No i said it doesn't make a difference , did you read what I wrote? In fist person mode you would also have the advantage as you could poke your gun just slightly over the corner without revealing your whole body, the guy on the ground already is exposed. Now you are saying a different thing, and i see what you mean, but i stand by my point which you misunderstood.

In that situation, it doesn't make much difference, the guy on the roof has a massive advantage in first / third view and there isn't a big difference in that particular situation

[daringd 88]

Damn man you sound like a liberal

 

Wow... did you really just say that?

 

From the OALD...

 

liberal 

  respecting other opinions

1 willing to understand and respect other people's behaviour, opinions, etc, especially when they are different from your own; believing people should be able to choose how they behave 

liberal attitudes/views/opinions

  politics

2 wanting or allowing a lot of political and economic freedom and supporting gradual social, political or religious changeSome politicians want more liberal trade relations with Europe.liberal democracy

liberal theoriesa liberal politician

Edited June 18, 2014 by daringd

[agentneo 337]

Excepted that first person, unlike 3rd person, provide a "symmetric" experience between the observer and the observed that 3rd person doesn't offer.

 

If you still can't figure out why being able to scout an area, watch for other players/zombies or check if your car is still where you left it, without having to expose yourself is a terrible idea, we are beyond the world of reasoning or logic and there is nothing i can say that will change your mind.

I dont think it is a 'terrible' idea No, not at all..... just an exploit that spoils some of the experience. By no means game breaking and still I enjoy third person mode despite those problems..Its a game..it doesnt have to be super realistic and no exploits all the time and fair whatever the situation..I like third person view, its improvable, as described could have camera closer, 4th wall just looks immersion breaking and ruins the scene in my opinion...whatever you are entitled to your opinions and i will enjoy both regular/hardcore...

Edited June 18, 2014 by AgentNe0

[Elle 562]

If you think you have an argument go for it and I'll smash it to pieces. Let's see what you have.....

I'll bite... I paid for a game that plays in 1pp and 3pp switchable, I would not have bought the game if it were only in 1pp I HATE fps games a la CoD, Bf4, etc. I play the game as a zombie survival sim, you know, the one they advertise on steam. one of the conditions of my purchase of the game was to be switchable from 1pp to 3pp, this was in fact the deciding point that allowed me to overlook the general state of the game's community overall - I avoid you people like the plague in the game and would be personally satisfied if it had a single player mode with a shit ton more zeds, but I digress... I am sure I am not alone in this as the server lists plainly show a preference toward "regular" game play. what if they were like me and 3pp was the decider? suppose there were no 3pp at all and the 75% of us that like it or prefer it didn't buy the game? do you suppose BIS would have made enough money to make the progress they have so far?

 

having made the financial point... back to the community:

 

I used to play on the hardcore servers too but I have read too many of these hateful threads against the 3pp people. I choose to now avoid the hardcore servers because I really don't want to play the game with you 1pp missionaries and all of your hate.

 

please by all means keep the community divided.

[Private Evans 1303]

You wanna know what's on the house ? My balls..that's what.

 

 

hmmmm....you are also doing this tequilla and snake dance thing ??

[Cap'n (DayZ) 1827]

Can I just play the fucking game as I like it? We have hardcore and we have regular. Stop trying to force us into something we don't want.

 

It's fine as it is.

[=BOM=Gen.Cris_Lethal 2]

Check out the BOM Servers have one in the UK and in Chicago. We are usually always full and Berezino is always popping for action.

 

I hate third person view like I'm sure everyone else has said already it's BS being able to see people that can't see you.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

I'll bite... I paid for a game that plays in 1pp and 3pp switchable, I would not have bought the game if it were only in 1pp I HATE fps games a la CoD, Bf4, etc. I play the game as a zombie survival sim, you know, the one they advertise on steam. one of the conditions of my purchase of the game was to be switchable from 1pp to 3pp, this was in fact the deciding point that allowed me to overlook the general state of the game's community overall - I avoid you people like the plague in the game and would be personally satisfied if it had a single player mode with a shit ton more zeds, but I digress... I am sure I am not alone in this as the server lists plainly show a preference toward "regular" game play. what if they were like me and 3pp was the decider? suppose there were no 3pp at all and the 75% of us that like it or prefer it didn't buy the game? do you suppose BIS would have made enough money to make the progress they have so far?

 

having made the financial point... back to the community:

 

I used to play on the hardcore servers too but I have read too many of these hateful threads against the 3pp people. I choose to now avoid the hardcore servers because I really don't want to play the game with you 1pp missionaries and all of your hate.

 

please by all means keep the community divided.

Perfectly understandable, however buying a game gives you no say in the direction it's development goes. Buying an alpha game is basically supporting it's ongoing development, you don't really buy a product whose content is frozen in time.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Lady Kyrah