Make mics a requirement.

[gibonez 3633]

 

I'd go for 1st person only requirement before this.

 

That should have been implemented from the get go.

 

Kinda silly that they havent just ripped off the band aid and forced 1pp across the board and fixed a huge problem.

 

Rust did it, and the forest even though it is a sp game decided against 3pp because 1pp is so much more immersesive. .

[pjano 34]

Hello there

 

My mic is dodgy and if it breaks i will be unable to replace it. Just because one has a PC does not mean that in all situations one has spare cash.

 

Also, my home situation means that its often impossible to use a mic due to noise issues.

 

Communication is key, but it doesnt all have to be verbal. A simple list of emotes/standard queues would be enough for many situations if not all. 

 

Making the use of a mic compulsory is IMHO ridiculous and draconian and will not stop KoS to an appreciable degree.

 

Rgds

 

LoK 

 

 

My mic is dodgy too (very cheap one) but it still gets the job done and has not broken in 6 years. Mic does not have to be compulsory but it should be highly encouraged. It is the same that having a keyboard, mouse and sound is not compulsory but is highly encouraged.

 

 

For instance, I don't really see how anybody can progress from lone wolf play style to squad vs squad play without using a mic.

Edited June 9, 2014 by pjano

[Kaboki 62]

Well, I have another suggestion. Why not remove texchat only on 'hardcore servers' and while your at it, remove the stupid aimdot on these servers and let all 'us' hardcore players really play 'hardcore'... So can the people without mics, trackir and mutes/deaf play on regular server... Or better, separate the servers into 3 categories where you keep 'regular' and 'hardcore' as they are and call my new suggestion 'Real Hardcore'. Problem solved..

Edited June 10, 2014 by Kaboki

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

 

I think that a better idea would be to make it a severside toggle, same with viewpoint sidechat etc etc.

 

In the later dayz of A2 almost every server had a mic requirement which meant many folk could simply not play.

 

rgds

 

LoK

[skypig 139]

there's a whole lot of "might, most likely, possibly and woulda-coulda" in your argument. having a mic doesn't guarantee you use it.

what having a mic 'might' do is promote interaction between players but if you're interacting with someone you're not kos'ing if you shoot them. you're being a bandit or RPing as a crazy mass murderer, backstabber, practicing self preservation or just plain being a dick, whatever the reason..

I always thought kos was death out of the blue, shooting in a split second without sizing up the situation, see player shoot immediately kind of thing.. but then I could be wrong there.

Edited June 10, 2014 by SkyPig

[Grimey Rick 3417]

I have a microphone, but I rarely use it. In most situations I don't feel that it's necessary. I can generally judge from a little surveillance what a player is up to. In most cases, I observe and then terminate or avoid the other player.

 

I can't think of one scenario in 1,000+ hours of DayZ:SA that a microphone has been beneficial.

Edited June 10, 2014 by Grimey Rick

[Kaboki 62]

Hello there

 

I think that a better idea would be to make it a severside toggle, same with viewpoint sidechat etc etc.

 

In the later dayz of A2 almost every server had a mic requirement which meant many folk could simply not play.

 

rgds

 

LoK

 

Well if we have three main categories it would serve everyone. Everyone can play on regular servers and they seem to be the most popular anyway(so we wouldn't loose players). I also think only seperate 'hardcore servers' into 2 categories would be enough and satisfy most peoples needs(one with text/voice and one without text and only voice ' remove the aimdot, it would not force anyone to get a mic or headtracker). The way you suggest would divide people way too much, just like what happend in the mod where there was simply to many options and finding a server you like was hard because it would only have 2-3 players on most of them, in short I hope private hives doesn't become an option. To many people would just choose the 'easy' way and only play on servers that have 200' vehicles and high loot. Been back into the mod lately and sadly almost no ones play hardcore anymore.

 

And nooooo, don't reintroduce sidechat, never make that a server option again, we have these neat 'walkie talkies' now and they are way cooler than people typing shit in sidechat, and occasionally some turd alwasy seems to love farting into the mic and ruin the immersion on the servers, and it's like when one first start it spreads like an infection and lasts for minutes. Increase the range a little more on the walkies instead, having sidechat would also make people never use the walkies and they would stay as a gimmick forever. Please take alot of control of what servers are allowed too and don't go back to the way it was in the mod.

[Kaboki 62]

I have a microphone, but I rarely use it. In most situations I don't feel that it's necessary. I can generally judge from a little surveillance what a player is up to. In most cases, I observe and then terminate or avoid the other player.

 

I can't think of one scenario in 1,000+ hours of DayZ:SA that a microphone has been beneficial.

 

So you have never had anyone spawn 5 meters away from at you in a hotzone?, if so you probably just KOS'ed the guy and that's fine, but some people don't like to kill if they don't have too, then the mic can be very useful. I've played Dayz SA only 100' hours and using mic have saved me alot of times....offcouse I could just KOS without comminicate first...but it just aint my way of RP. Also saved me in the MOD, don't even know how many hours I have spent in it....

So it may not work for you, but so far it have worked fine for me. Im also a lone wolf sometimes and only observe players from distance, but even a lone wolf gets lonely sometimes and just wanna be social and have a short chat with a fellow survivor and the risk of doing that is just thrilling. Sometimes I also play as bandit and it's just more immersive yelling at the guy you rob/kidnap and hear he's prays for mercy...if that guy doesn't speak and is typing text I just kill him right away, because he's ruining my immersion so I just switch and roleplay an asshole against such individuals(Sorry to all you mute/deaf people and those that can't 'afford mics', nothing personal)

[Grimey Rick 3417]

So you have never had anyone spawn 5 meters away from at you in a hotzone?, if so you probably just KOS'ed the guy and that's fine, but some people don't like to kill if they don't have too

 

If you spawn in on me in a contested area, yeah, you're dead.

 

The only time I really use my in-game microphone is when I'm trolling people by myself (which I do a lot of) or with friends. My previous post was made from the point of view of someone playing this game in a serious manner. The microphone is definitely a useful tool, however, I don't feel that it's necessary and certainly shouldn't be forced upon people for a multitude of reasons.

[pjano 34]

I can't think of one scenario in 1,000+ hours of DayZ:SA that a microphone has been beneficial.

 

Really? That is pretty sad and I guess you don't use teamwork very often.

 

Situations where mic has been useful for me include

- getting into conversations with other players

- calling out "it's me don't shoot!" when a firefight breaks out and one of my friends is pointing his gun at me (night time)

- communicating the position of an enemy sniper to a nearby friend who then killed him in one shot

 

the list goes on

Edited June 10, 2014 by pjano

[taco86 156]

What about people that physically cannot speak (cancer, injuries, war wounds, birth defects)?  There are lots and lots of them that play video games...

[Kaboki 62]

If you spawn in on me in a contested area, yeah, you're dead.

 

The only time I really use my in-game microphone is when I'm trolling people by myself (which I do a lot of) or with friends. My previous post was made from the point of view of someone playing this game in a serious manner. The microphone is definitely a useful tool, however, I don't feel that it's necessary and certainly shouldn't be forced upon people for a multitude of reasons.

 

 

Hahaha tought so, maybe you also could end up dead, because I KOS anyone that doesn't respond to me on voice quickly in that scenario:). Often in scenarios like that it could be a win win situation for booth parties involved to be able to walk outta there alive with good loot;)

 

But I totally agree on, not forcing anyone to have a mic to play the game at all, that would be cruel. But make it an option(1 more hardcore server category, real hardcore) so people that don't want to see immersive breaking texting on servers and are more into using what you would be using in real life, your voice. Wether you use it or not that entirely up to you. You could still play on that server just not be able to text or you could play on a normal hardcore server where booth texting and voice is an option along with the other mute people.

 

What about people that physically cannot speak (cancer, injuries, war wounds, birth defects)?  There are lots and lots of them that play video games...

 

If my real hardcore suggestion would ever be invented.They could play on servers that allow them to use text/and voice and choose not to play on servers with voice only. Having more options, but not too many would be good for all type of players and everyone would be happy, well almost everyone.

Edited June 10, 2014 by Kaboki

[Grimey Rick 3417]

Really? That is pretty sad and I guess you don't use teamwork very often.

 

Situations where mic has been useful for me include

- getting into conversations with other players

- calling out "it's me don't shoot!" when a firefight breaks out and one of my friends is pointing his gun at me (night time)

- communicating the position of an enemy sniper to a nearby friend who then killed him in one shot

 

the list goes on

 

All amazing examples. Bravo. I'll have to start using my microphone ASAP to improve my game (even though I haven't died on my Hardcore character since January ((still have the ballistic helmet / gas mask combo equipped)), only play on full servers and actively PVP at airfields).

 

Hahaha tought so, maybe you also could end up dead, because I KOS anyone that doesn't respond to me on voice quickly in that scenario:). Often in scenarios like that it could be a win win situation for booth parties involved to be able to walk outta there alive with good loot;)

 

But I totally agree on, not forcing anyone to have a mic to play the game at all, that would be cruel. But make it an option(1 more hardcore server category, real hardcore) so people that don't want to see immersive breaking texting on servers and are more into using what you would be using in real life, your voice. Wether you use it or not that entirely up to you. You could still play on that server just not be able to text or you could play on a normal hardcore server where booth texting and voice is an option along with the other mute people.

 

 

If my real hardcore suggestion would ever be invented.They could play on servers that allow them to use text/and voice and choose not to play on servers with voice only. Having more options, but not too many would be good for all type of players and everyone would be happy, well almost everyone.

 

I wouldn't end up dead in that situation as I'm not a moron and wouldn't log out in a contested area.

 

As for your suggestion, that's terrible. You want to segregate an entire demographic of people because they can't speak? You should be in politics.

[Kaboki 62]

All amazing examples. Bravo. I'll have to start using my microphone ASAP to improve my game (even though I haven't died on my Hardcore character since January ((still have the ballistic helmet / gas mask combo equipped)), only play on full servers and actively PVP at airfields).

 

'woohooo ,look at my elitist attitude, Im so good and never get killed',,,, sooner or later everyones gets killed, it's part of dayz and you are not an exception. But sadly, you miss out many other ways to play the game and also miss out the immersion voice com could give you...your choice and all, we all enjoy different things. How do you take hostages? How do you convince the bandits not too kill you? etc etc etc???

 

I wouldn't end up dead in that situation as I'm not a moron and wouldn't log out in a contested area.

 

Me neither, but just in case you did or do what I sometimes do, sometimes I spawn at contested areas because the  server gets empty and I switch to a better one with more players, or that the game crash and Im forced to reboot the game and wait out the timer, If I spawn on you like that doesn't neccesarly mean Im an asshole... 

 

As for your suggestion, that's terrible. You want to segregate an entire demographic of people because they can't speak? You should be in politics.

 

If it was 'forced segration' then that would be a bad idea, what Im suggesting is make it an option, nobody forcing you to do shit, or mute/deaf players for that matter, you and everyone that prefer it could still play on text/voice servers, I don't see any thing wrong with that. But as it is now Im forced to play with people that can't use mic and text only users and it totally breaks my immersion. Who is forcing who? You and the mute/deaf communety is forcing us to play with you and it's nothing personal against deaf people but I want as realistic as possible survivor simulation, and having text chat isn't part of it.

Edited June 10, 2014 by Kaboki

[Grimey Rick 3417]

 

All amazing examples. Bravo. I'll have to start using my microphone ASAP to improve my game (even though I haven't died on my Hardcore character since January ((still have the ballistic helmet / gas mask combo equipped)), only play on full servers and actively PVP at airfields).

 

 

I wouldn't end up dead in that situation as I'm not a moron and wouldn't log out in a contested area.

 

Me neither, but just in case you did or do what I sometimes do, sometimes I spawn at contested areas because the  server gets empty and I switch to a better one with more players, or that the game crash and Im forced to reboot the game and wait out the timer, If I spawn on you like that doesn't neccesarly mean Im an asshole... 

 

As for your suggestion, that's terrible. You want to segregate an entire demographic of people because they can't speak? You should be in politics.

 

If it was 'forced segration' then that would be a bad idea, what Im suggesting is make it an option, nobody forcing you to do shit, or mute/deaf players for that matter, you could still play on text/voice servers, I don't see any thing wrong with that. But as it is now Im forced to play with people that can't use mic and text only users and it totally breaks my immersion. Who is forcing who? You are the mute/deaf communety is forcing us to play with them and it's nothing personal against deaf people but I want as realistic as possible survivor simulation, and having text chat isn't part of it.

 

 

Actually, it is something personal against deaf people because you're essentially saying that you want them to play on servers of their own.

 

What if you met a deaf survivor in a real apocalypse situation? There would be time spent attempting to communicate via hand signals and perhaps writing things down on paper. There's your immersion for people who don't/can't use microphones.

 

/thread

[Kaboki 62]

Actually, it is something personal against deaf people because you're essentially saying that you want them to play on servers of their own.

 

What if you met a deaf survivor in a real apocalypse situation? There would be time spent attempting to communicate via hand signals and perhaps writing things down on paper. There's your immersion for people who don't/can't use microphones.

 

/thread

 

We have paper and pen in the game and some gestures so they could use it like they would in a real apocalypse, write a note and wave in a friendly way, or they could just join the 'text/voice' option and play with booth deaf and non deaf players as much as they like(there won't be a segragation beetwen no deaf players and deaf people because theres always someone who prefer not to use mics). And I and others who think texting people from a far distance is immersion breaking, and also think using text allows people too "talk" without worry having their location revealed would be happy. Why make it into a 'war' for nothing, everyone would find a server that has what they need,,,reallly what is the problem here?

Edited June 10, 2014 by Kaboki

[hannibaldaplaya 1095]

Nah, but when I talk to girl gamers, their biggest issue is sexual harassment. (mainly from 12 y/os.) I've even met some that use male avatars to avoid it, and only type in-game.

 

Unfortunately 90% of young, teenage gamers here on the internet are in a time of their life where they want their dick in something so harassing and 'flirting' with some video game playing female who probably lives across the country or overseas seems like a great way for them to eventually get their dick into something.

[Grimey Rick 3417]

We have paper and pen in the game and some gestures so they could use it like they would in a real apocalypse, write a note and wave in a friendly way, or they could just join the 'text/voice' option and play with booth deaf and non deaf players as much as they like(there won't be a segragation beetwen no deaf players and deaf people because theres always someone who prefer not to use mics). And I and others who think texting people from a far distance is immersion breaking, and also think using text allows people too "talk" without worry having their location revealed would be happy. Why make it into a 'war' for nothing, everyone would find a server that has what they need,,,reallly what is the problem here?

 

Because I don't want to fragment the community any more than it already is, as it's unhealthy for this type of game. We already have Hardcore and Regular servers, so we'd need Hardcore and Regular variations of the server type you're suggesting as well. It's hard enough as it is to find more than a half dozen 40/40 servers on stable without having to further divvy up those numbers. Even more so if you're trying to find full servers that afford you a desirable latency.

 

If it were up to me (and I fully realize it isn't) we'd only have Hardcore servers. There's no need to add further server types to DayZ. We should all be mashed together in one unanimous free-for-all.

[General Zod 1118]

What is it going achieve ? Why do you wan't to force people to talk to each other ? I'm not going to talk to another player with a weapon moving towards me. I will shoot him. Why ? Because 153 hours in this game taught me that most people with guns will try to kill me either for my loot or for the sake of it.

And what if someone experiences a microphone failure ? No dayZ for quite some time. 

What about people who don't speak english ? 

Not to mention that enforcing usage of microphone will make a lot of people leave this game. 

Seriously some people have went full retard. 

[Kaboki 62]

Because I don't want to fragment the community any more than it already is, as it's unhealthy for this type of game. We already have Hardcore and Regular servers, so we'd need Hardcore and Regular variations of the server type you're suggesting as well. It's hard enough as it is to find more than a half dozen 40/40 servers on stable without having to further divvy up those numbers. Even more so if you're trying to find full servers that afford you a desirable latency.

 

If it were up to me (and I fully realize it isn't) we'd only have Hardcore servers. There's no need to add further server types to DayZ. We should all be mashed together in one unanimous free-for-all.

 

Well, the fragmentation gonna happen sooner or later when private hives and modding gets into the equation and that's gonna be alot worse than having just 3 options or max 4(if you wanna split regular). So for the first time in this thread I actually agree with you to some extent. I hope we never get private hives and letting server admins get too much power, but I do think the playerbase is big enough to sustain the 4 server options without any problems. Having only public hive and no sidechat and no high loot servers is one of the things I like in SA compared to the Mod. But lets just agree to disagree, nobody is probably listening to my suggestion anyway and it is what it is, I'll guess just have to live with the 'texters' and mutes.

 

 

What is it going achieve ? Why do you wan't to force people to talk to each other

 

Lol, are you reffering too what I said? If so, it's not about forcing you too do shit, If you don't wanna talk thats fine. What I would like to see removed(as and option and not by force) is people being able to text. I won't repeat why, you can read all my post in this thread. With my suggestion you would still be able to join a text/voice server for whatever reason you may think of(deaf, dont have mic, broken mic, lack of social skills, social angsiaty, authistic, asberger, schizophrenic or that you just hate the idea of having voice only servers:)...).

Edited June 10, 2014 by Kaboki

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Yes please, 1 person only, it would make hardcore servers more populated. Right know it's hard to find 1 person servers that are populated, especially night servers(why is everyone scared of the night?)

 

As for the mic, I don't thrust people that don't talk to me when I meet them, a voice often(not always) tells wether that person is thrustworty, so anyone I encounter that don't answer me when Im talking, I kill, and tell them if they just picked up their mic we could have had a totally different situation.(maybe they learn and buy a microphone for the next session.)

It wouldn't move more people to hardcore servers, it would just make every server a hardcore server. People don't like night time because it's poorly optimized with the current light system (even though it's a massive improvement over the mod, it's still way too dark).

[skypig 139]

I think there should be an option, like someone mentioned earlier... server admins having a "no mic.. no play" box to check.

[Whyherro123 2283]

It wouldn't move more people to hardcore servers, it would just make every server a hardcore server. People don't like night time because it's poorly optimized with the current light system (even though it's a massive improvement over the mod, it's still way too dark).

Yeah, pretty much. People apparently don't realize that nighttime sucks balls. Humans are not nocturnal animals, and while we have better night vision than many other mammals, it isn't all  that much better.

 

However, I agree that nighttime is way too dark. I work at a Scout camp miles away from any civilization, and I can usually find my way around at night without a flashlight with little to no difficulty. Granted, I've had seven years to learn where everything is, but still.

[Kaboki 62]

It wouldn't move more people to hardcore servers, it would just make every server a hardcore server. People don't like night time because it's poorly optimized with the current light system (even though it's a massive improvement over the mod, it's still way too dark).

 

If you had payed attention I have changed my view on the whole matter and come up with another suggestion on hardcore servers, it may contradict what I said earlier but I think its a good idea or maybe not(only my subtle opinion).

 

I have always liked how Arma engines have made nights, so more realistic than any other engine where you can see everything like you have some invisible night vision googles on. Walking around in darkness without seing shit without a flashlight I find more immersive than any other game out there that has night in it where you wouldn't even need a flaslight, and it's creepy and scary. Also if one doesn't play at nightime you loose all the cool light effects(wich I think arma engines do better than most other games out there), also the creepyness night add to the game, and the mad screaming axe killers lurking in the dark woods just waiting for you to turn on the flashlight or light up a campfire. It also makes zombies more dangerous if you do not have head-lights or a friend lighting up the zombie while you kill it.. It's tense, it's dark and I love it:).

 

Too bad we are so few hardcore night players. Just turn on more brightness and gamma if it feels to dark, heck you can turn the settings so you see everything if you prefer, just please join us and come kill me at night. I would appriciate it:)

Edited June 10, 2014 by Kaboki

[Kaboki 62]

I think there should be an option, like someone mentioned earlier... server admins having a "no mic.. no play" box to check.

 

I agree if that's the only thing they could do and also let them remove the aimdot that's it. I don't want them to be able to have higher loot, 1000+ vehicles and sidechat and being able to spawn all the gear they want just to rule the server and make SA into what the mod become...