How tactful are you, and what tactics work in DayZ SA?

[comikz 218]

I've been wondering for a while why people believe that tactics and formations they have learned while in the military or read from a book or even watched in a video work in a PC game such a DayZ SA which is full of bugs/glitches and cheaters being in the Alpha stage of development.

 

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all up for using common sense tactics and I don't run willy-nilly over/across a field on a populated server, ect. But it's when you go overboard with having to run in a Diamond formation, or doing some Button-hook manuever to clear a building, or classifying groups as alpha/omega/beta/epsilon ect. that I believe is way too much for a GAME, where these real life things won't work as well or at all because its a GAME and not real life. I believe that this isn't a Military sim 2014 game, and I am in no way telling people not to play a certain way because that would be pretty foolish lol....

 

So what tactics do you feel are useable or wise in a GAME such as DayZ SA?

[Beck (DayZ) 1768]

Certain military formations can be beneficial in difference situations but the truth is that you can handle pretty much anything as long as you have: Someone covering front (point man), someone covering left, someone covering right, and someone covering rear. As long as people have 360 degree awareness and communicate what they see then it is just as good as any practiced formation.

[kingbritain 63]

Never, ever, EVER engage a group, even if your group is of equal strength. Stealth and concealment is a better show of force than just going into something guns blazing. Think it out. If you hold the utmost advantage that cannot be beaten by any eventuality, then engage.

[roflcopter127@yahoo.com 168]

I agree with KingBritain, you can have the best guns with the most ammo, but in the end, stealth and concealment is what wins battles. They can't kill you if they can't see/find you.

[blacklabel79 949]

we are super tactical until some gets bored and YOLO´s it.

[FrostDMG 398]

Easy: KoS anything (animals included), zerg military buildings, don't check corners, get as much aggro as possible, then carry out the zombie massacre in the middle of the street - on full auto, of course.

Edited May 12, 2014 by FrostDMG

[Sutinen 635]

Staying in treelines, never running on streets, looking everywhere before crossing a street and carefully checking out high value loot places (slicing the pie around corners, etc.), like I was raiding some drug kingpins home in Mexico. Sometimes when I feel like it, I do this to every house, but only when I'm really bored and have way too much gear. Oh and I guess using ALT counts as being more tacful.

Edited May 12, 2014 by Sutinen

[dayy 173]

Here are tactics I use, and I have survived for at least 4 weeks now

 

Always stay in cover/concealment

 

Have a scout

 

Take hold of a key point, get attention to it, than retreat to cover (allows u to kill potential enemies as they would move to take u by surprise)

 

Check rooftops

 

Use a gun as a last resort

 

finally, (just tried this) make subtle contact with any other snipers...

This story may enlighten you who dont understand. Two of us are on sniper hill (elektro) one guy is on the top of the school building (tall part) We see him long before he sees us... He spots us, and sees that we could've killed him, but didnt. He quickly does the friendly dance, I give him a thumbs up. My partner points at the guys in the police station, the guy on the school gives us a thumbs up... Long story short, the guys camping the police station didnt last long.

 

Always check your six, and always triple check your gear/plan before getting into any contact. 

[comikz 218]

I'm using a Mosin + Sawn-off currently, and yeah it's pretty dang loud so I can't be too Stealthy, is there a well rounded setup for Stealth related tactics, I am thinking the M4 + FNX or no sidearm at all?

[emigrates 261]

Shoot. Shit. Up.

 

But naw, we usually move in groups of 5-7, spread out and don't hold hands. If we're in smaller groups, we move and cover (someone will move up to a fence, take a defensive position with good line of sight for any potential attackers) and the other members will run up to another defensive position.

If we're ever out in a field and someone needs to eat/drink/do something or we hear a shot, we make the most out of what cover we have. Someone will run to a tree line and others will go prone for give a good firing position.

 

Suppression is key if you're under fire. You suppress someone and they can't do much. Until an LMG or HMG is added into the game, the best way of tactical suppression is probably an M4 with a 60 round STANAG mag, remove a suppressor and get a bipod going. I prefer to use an ACOG sight with that combo.

 

If we're in Berezino and we're gunned down, we'll have someone run to another position while we either suppress the snipers hole or we'll make 3 of us run to cover while one sniper remains and looks out for that sniper to take a shot at the three of us, revealing his or her position.

[bodizapha 2]

The group I run with is very tactical. This game is made for that kind of group thinking and communication. We take a objective clear it and begin setting up to defend it and have over watch with assault groups. It works very well and 9 times out of 10 we are still alive after everyone is not. Just use your head think it through. Once you run with a group like this the game will become a different animal. 

[Irish. 4886]

I've been wondering for a while why people believe that tactics and formations they have learned while in the military or read from a book or even watched in a video work in a PC game such a DayZ SA which is full of bugs/glitches and cheaters being in the Alpha stage of development.

 

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all up for using common sense tactics and I don't run willy-nilly over/across a field on a populated server, ect. But it's when you go overboard with having to run in a Diamond formation, or doing some Button-hook manuever to clear a building, or classifying groups as alpha/omega/beta/epsilon ect. that I believe is way too much for a GAME, where these real life things won't work as well or at all because its a GAME and not real life. I believe that this isn't a Military sim 2014 game, and I am in no way telling people not to play a certain way because that would be pretty foolish lol....

 

So what tactics do you feel are useable or wise in a GAME such as DayZ SA?

 

1. Why do care how others play? Its does not affect you at all, does it? I know you wrapped it up with that bow of yours "and I am in no way telling people not to play a certain way because.." but you have to be honest with yourself that this thread did not need to be made if that was entirely true.

 

2. Yes, I use my previous military training in game because it works. Formations work. We use them in the military for a reason, and when the game is attempting to be a mil sim then usually those very same real world tactics will work. I even use them in Battlefield series games. It always works out better when you have an organized squad using effective communication, formations and tactics. 

 

3. Why would anyone play a game modded off of Arma, and question using military tactics in it? 

 

Last but not least, the only difference in war is training. Equipment is secondary. When you take a 4 man team that has been trained heavily for the past 6 years, and pit them against 100 untrained, unskilled men carrying more weapons and ammo.. Guess who usually wins? The trained team. 

Edited May 13, 2014 by lrish

[emigrates 261]

1. Why do care how others play? Its does not affect you at all, does it? I know you wrapped it up with that bow of yours "and I am in no way telling people not to play a certain way because.." but you have to be honest with yourself that this thread did not need to be made if that was entirely true.

 

2. Yes, I use my previous military training in game because it works. Formations work. We use them in the military for a reason, and when the game is attempting to be a mil sim then usually those very same real world tactics will work. I even use them in Battlefield series games. It always works out better when you have an organized squad using effective communication, formations and tactics. 

 

3. Why would anyone play a game modded off of Arma, and question using military tactics in it? 

 

Last but not least, the only difference in war is training. Equipment is secondary. When you take a 4 man team that has been trained heavily for the past 6 years, and pit them against 100 untrained, unskilled men carrying more weapons and ammo.. Guess who usually wins? The trained team.

Ever tried training Afghan National Police? Still, they persist that squatting is a good firing position.

[byrgesen 1341]

Tactful means "full of tact." What's tact? It's the gift for saying the right thing because you understand what the situation calls for.

Tactical means relating to or constituting actions carefully planned to gain a specific military end.

I love how you are mixing these words, as if its the same ;)

 

I actually tend to be more tacful ingame, then tactical. Would rather talk my self out of a death and give all my items away, then being shot and killed.

My life is to valuable.

[duke0095 106]

3 men in. 3 and 2 in handcuffs out. everytime :D

 

but srsly we have someone in the front and someone in the back to cover and overlook the field. and the rest is just a move from A to B while rushing and taking cover. we move in buddy teams. works pretty good until some douchebags serverghosting our asses.

Edited May 13, 2014 by duke0095

[Bororm 1156]

Try to just have fun, but while still not being overly dumb.  I like to try to analyze fights after the fact and learn from them (I had my group draw out maps before, to show where they thought each member of the group/enemies were during a fight so we could improve our communication/awareness.  It was interesting), but in the end my group isn't all that serious and I like what we've got going.

None of us really care about dying at this point, because there's hardly anything to lose.  So if the decision has to be made whether to engage an enemy who has better odds we go for it.

 

I think real world tactics can work as a good base line, but there's also the issue of at the end of the day it's still a video game and people are going to react differently in game than they would in real life, as well as the limitations of the game itself, so I think it's important not to get too hung up on things.  I've looked up shit like how to clear rooms, but honestly it's not very helpful in game beyond the common sense aspects of it.  Most real world strategies at this point involve tools specialized for the task.  Try doing a button hook entry in DayZ against a known enemy and watch as your guys just get mowed down as they come in the door.  That shit is initiated by a flashbang or grenade in real life, if you know some one is in there pointing a gun at the door.  Or it devolves into a long standoff, and personally I'd rather take my chances than sit around waiting for some one to give up or leave.  

 

So I try to learn from each encounter and develop my own strategies that fit within the game and what I can actually do.  I've actually been improving a bit with clearing out the jails at the neaf.

[kakysas666 191]

This game is 50% luck and 50% skill abusing bugs and glitches. You can be the best shooter in a world, but thanks to desync and other issues, you can spray all magazine into a person and he turns around and kills you with one shot. Still, the most advantageous situation is being first to spot enemy and shooting first. Surprise and pro-activeness is crucial in this game, at least, at this stage when the enemy can simply log out if you wait too long, or think about a better plan (thanks to looking through walls, huehue).

 

 

 

[jediprostidude 2]

1. Why do care how others play? Its does not affect you at all, does it? I know you wrapped it up with that bow of yours "and I am in no way telling people not to play a certain way because.." but you have to be honest with yourself that this thread did not need to be made if that was entirely true.

 

2. Yes, I use my previous military training in game because it works. Formations work. We use them in the military for a reason, and when the game is attempting to be a mil sim then usually those very same real world tactics will work. I even use them in Battlefield series games. It always works out better when you have an organized squad using effective communication, formations and tactics. 

 

3. Why would anyone play a game modded off of Arma, and question using military tactics in it? 

 

Last but not least, the only difference in war is training. Equipment is secondary. When you take a 4 man team that has been trained heavily for the past 6 years, and pit them against 100 untrained, unskilled men carrying more weapons and ammo.. Guess who usually wins? The trained team. 

Completely agree! I use my infantry training every day, doesn't matter if im clearing a house or hugging a wall while looking into windows (i run 3rd person when doing this). I stick to the shadows while other people rush about like crazy people. I have not died one single time from confrontation with another survivor. I've died from fat fingering the keyboard and glitching off ladders though. But not a single death from other players. So i would have to say yes, military training, formations, etc. Do work and are highly effective.

[Bororm 1156]

Completely agree! I use my infantry training every day, doesn't matter if im clearing a house or hugging a wall while looking into windows (i run 3rd person when doing this). I stick to the shadows while other people rush about like crazy people. I have not died one single time from confrontation with another survivor. I've died from fat fingering the keyboard and glitching off ladders though. But not a single death from other players. So i would have to say yes, military training, formations, etc. Do work and are highly effective.

 

That sounds more like you just rarely engage in actual fights.

[jediprostidude 2]

That sounds more like you just rarely engage in actual fights.

i do engage alot. I just use what i know and don't die. Yeah i get hurt to the point of grey screen but if you use your head instead of going in spraying like some 12 year old on CoD then you'll be alright.

[Bororm 1156]

 

i do engage alot. I just use what i know and don't die. Yeah i get hurt to the point of grey screen but if you use your head instead of going in spraying like some 12 year old on CoD then you'll be alright.

 

Sorry but it doesn't matter how good you are, if you are regularly in fights you will end up dying.  Unless you're just sniping at dudes and running away at the first sign of trouble.  If that's what you're into that's fine, but I wouldn't call those fights.  I mean it's not difficult to stay alive if you avoid confrontation, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I'm going to go ahead and say bullshit on never even dying once if you regularly engage in actual fights.

 

It has nothing to do with going in spraying and praying or CoD.  You simply can't win them all.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Bororm

[dayy 173]

FIRST rule of PVP, know your enemy.

 

I will spend 30 mins stalking, and probably 5 mins fighting. The trick is to figure out who your enemy is as quickly as possible, whatever knowledge it may be, from which side they check most, to how they are moving in the area. Engaging without a decent intel can be a death sentence. 

 

The first time I engaged someone without stalking them nearly got my partner killed. It was a sniper overlooking Elektro, (sniper hill) It was kind of odd, his position, he was completely open in front, and would have no way of checking his 6. The moment he stood up, I emptied my blaze into his back, and my partner popped his head off with 4 M4 rounds. If we had scouted the area first, we would have spotted (what appeared to be his friend) a guy with an M4 on the top of a red roofed home. Thankfully, this man couldn't shoot for shit, and the majority of his rounds smacked the tree in front of us, allowing for a  retreat...

 

The moral of this story, KNOW YOUR ENEMY!!!

[gibonez 3633]

The only tactics that work in stand alone are luck.

 

Shoot and pray the dispersion gods are on your side.

 

Also pray that you are behind cover and exploiting 3pp before the enemy does.

Edited May 13, 2014 by gibonez

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

I'd love to tell what tactics I use, but then I'd have to kill you and change my tactics.

[Sistinas1973 50]

I like to think that I am tactical. I already do many of the things suggested thus far, but when your number is up, it's up. I've died a handful of times and the majority of them were from someone shooting from afar, or happened to come up on me by chance and was lucky enough to enter my flank (on HC servers) before I could adjust. In these situations, I felt there was absolutely nothing I could have done to change the outcome. Tactics played no role whatsoever during these type of encounters. 

 

I hear a lot of people say "if you were being tactical you wouldn't be in that position" for many encounters people talk about. In 3rd person...maybe, seeing as you have such a huge view advantage to have the ability to always watch your six.. On HC that advantage does not exist and it's easy to come up ones backside no matter how much you were back/side viewing as you move. And of course the 500m sniper that you never would have seen no matter how stealthy you were. 

 

I just take it as it comes and as others said, hope that I see the person first and have enough time to formulate a plan or watch and decide whether to kill them or not.