maverickfftytwo 5 Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) So you can accept that he can consistently hit a target 1/7th the width of a dime at 650M using iron-sighted 7.62 AK variant with the accuracy the best snipers to ever live couldn't even dream about achieving with a .50 cal anti-material rifle and using a gun sighting vice to hold it steady and focus on the part where he says he buried a gun for two years? :huh: You've got your MOA math mixed up, no biggie though(since you clearly understand how ridiculous his claim is), I'm going to explain it for the class.1 m is equivalent to 1.0936 yards. 1 MOA = ~1" @ 100 yards, ~2" @ 200 yards, ect. So, 650m is roughly 711 yards. So lets just round to 700 yards. At 700 yards, that means 1 MOA is 7". 3/10th's of 7 inches is 0.91", or just shy of 15/16's inches. For shits and giggles lets just say it's a 1 inch group @ 700 yards. Now the fun part...Not possible...That makes me laugh kid... Just like its not possible to lose your virginity, right? Clearly it isn't against the laws of physics because its being done and I'm sure i'm not the only one doing it. I claimed I was GROUPING at 0.3 MOA a 650M with an AK variant running tech sights, so consider that to be one hole. Apparently you have no education on firearms and shouldn't be on a thread regarding improving ballistics if you have no idea about the boundaries of the laws of physics. Also YOU look like the desperate idiot trying to disprove something because YOU cant reproduce it.. So if we follow the math... Your group, as you say, is "one hole", and in a previous post you said "I have an SGL-21 AK variant in 7.62 x 39 mm". So lets go over what "7.62x39mm" means first. 7.62 is referring to the bullet's caliber, or diameter. The 39 is referring to the length of the case. "mm" is the unit these dimensions are being measured in. So in this example your bullet is 7.62mm in diameter and has a case 39mm long. Now the interesting thing, Russian "7.62x39mm or 7.62x54R" and NATO "7.62x51mm" are NOT the same diameter bullets, as their names might imply. The NATO cartridge uses a .308 caliber bullet, and the Russian cartridge uses a .311 caliber bullet. If you want to know more about this go on wikipedia and read about it. I may be slightly inaccurate here but I'm going from memory and trying to summarize this. So, we know that your bullets are .311" in diameter. We also know that 0.3 MOA@700 yards is .91". So if you were able to place the bullets precisely in the exact same spot, your hole would be less than 0.3 MOA@700 yards. Obviously this would be extremely difficult. However, the only way for your group to be "one hole" and also 0.3MOA@700 yards is if each bullet hit exactly right next to each other, like this, "OOO". You're talking about a deviation of 3/10th's of an inch over the span of 700 yards, on a intermediate cartridge. You may very well know physics, but I know something called Statistics, and the probability of you shooting that group, at that range, with that cartridge, in that gun, with those sights is so improbable it might as well be considered impossible. All of the variables of ballistics are working against you. Powder charge in the cartridge.Seating depth of the bullet in the case.Wind.Humidity.Human factor. Those are just a few. I'm sure guys who shoot long range competitively could add many more variables to that list. Last but not least... In life, I've found that the people who have the most to prove, speak the most. Those who have nothing left to prove, just enjoy life. You've got to be the only hospital owning, spinal surgeon, lottery winner, ex-military, elite marksman I've ever seen post on the internet about being those things.Or, you could be a poser. Again, I'm going back to that Statistics thing. Edited March 25, 2014 by Maverick52 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Weedz 1105 Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) You've got your MOA math mixed up, no biggie though(since you clearly understand how ridiculous his claim is), I'm going to explain it for the class.1 m is equivalent to 1.0936 yards. 1 MOA = ~1" @ 100 yards, ~2" @ 200 yards, ect. So, 650m is roughly 711 yards. So lets just round to 700 yards. At 700 yards, that means 1 MOA is 7". 3/10th's of 7 inches is 0.91", or just shy of 15/16's inches. For shits and giggles lets just say it's a 1 inch group @ 700 yards. Yeah I never really cared about that crap (I grew up hunting in rural backwoods since I was 4 so aiming and shooting animals not targets is my thing) I just quickly skimmed online; I now understand it exactly though and know where my math was wrong so thx! :D :beans: ... I love actually having a genius level IQ and being able to learn things like this that quickly. Speaking of Payday 2 what's you guys who have it's favorite mission? I like the Jewelry store and the shoot up the mall SMASH SMASH SMASH. 1st game was amazing but this one makes it look like crap in comparison. Edited March 25, 2014 by Weedz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Gews- 7443 Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) For example an infantryman with an SKS fires at a 1m(X) x 0.5m(Y) target 500 meters distant, this would mean about a 30% chance of him missing the target. With the AK a 45% chance of missing. I think. Looked into this a bit more and this is wrong, I redid it correctly: Sodier with AKM firing from prone, single shot, rounded to nearest 10%, torso-sized target -------------------No range or windage errors-----------with average errors------------------------- 200 meters--------------------90-------------------------------80-------------------------------------- 300 meters--------------------70-------------------------------30-------------------------------------- 400 meters--------------------40-------------------------------10-------------------------------------- 600 meters--------------------20--------------------------------0-------------------------------------- 800 meters--------------------10--------------------------------0-------------------------------------- Well, interesting. Edited March 25, 2014 by Gews Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chaingunfighter 917 Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) As much as I agree that the M4A1 accuracy sucks, this was a terribly written post; - "screw these gamer fly by night hype sucking noobs" - "I miss the cop zeds I liked putting them down fuck the police"Were either of those necessary? - "the first gun I ever fired at the age of 10 was a full auto TEC-9"An unlikely story, considering that the TEC-9 hardly ever works when fired full-automatic and there are (essentially) no legal, full-auto variants, (that part of) your post is bullshit. The only way that could have happened is if you used one of the extremely rare pre-1986 manufactures (Tec-9 production started in 1985) that was also converted to fully-automatic before the 1986 ban. Edited March 25, 2014 by Chaingunfighter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blacklabel79 949 Posted March 25, 2014 im dident find the heart to read all replys but... it dosent make sense to compare weapon Performance between games with vastly different engines and premises. just saying... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SGT. Kalme 106 Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) This thread is so full of stupid that it is hard to even grasp - no actual comparison, huge amount of posting unlikely scenarios, e-thug and so on so forth. Thumbs up for Maverick though, I actually enjoyed reading that post. For future people making such threads, post measured statistics of accuracy not just your personal opinion. Edited March 25, 2014 by SGT. Kalme Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Electi 149 Posted March 25, 2014 In a manner of speaking, yes. But even if you lie down, support the weapon properly and gently squeeze the trigger, you still won't get a smaller group than 8-10cm out of a Mosin at 200m. An M4 should be considerably more accurate, but in the game it's like a goddamn shotgun at any range. Actually, most IRL shotguns have less spread than the M4 in DayZ. About shot guns, i think you dudes from USA know more then me, but as i know it's depends on what ammo do you use, if you have capsule in cartridge then pellets must go farer without spreading(on more longer distance).!!!!new idea - to make a new ammo from shoted collet(sleeve), detonator, powder, pellets,wads etc. and machine to pack them up(close collets). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gibonez 3633 Posted March 27, 2014 This thread got super funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Inception. 9443 Posted March 27, 2014 Just stop dude. You have stated that you won't be providing proof to back up the endeavors you claimed to have done so why should anyone believe you? I would be willing to bet that the fact that you feel you have to brag online means all those claims are false.Now let's get back into the topic of DayZ and not this rubbish.Thank you. Perhaps you missed orlok's post: Get on topic, folk, please. L The following comments will be in regards to the OP or I will hide them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
