Why aren't PvE servers allowed?

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

Ignorant statement, we want a specific playstyle.

 

No, that's not what you want. You want a specific play style and no others whatsoever. There's nothing at all preventing you from playing whatever style you wish on standard servers. Plenty of people do it every day and did it all throughout the mod without special PvE servers. You can be a medic, an explorer, a survivalist; Hell, if it really strikes your fancy you can be a goddamned bard and go around singing songs to people. All of these play styles are available and viable on standard servers.

 

What you want is safety, comfort and reassurance that you will not be threatened by other players. And safe, comfortable and reassured are all exactly the opposite of the emotions Dean wants you to feel while playing DayZ. "PvE only servers simply break the game.

 

My god, if you do not realize the current problems of spawn killing right now, you are not playing in everyday servers.

 

Yes, I am. I play on regular, full servers. I just don't hang out on the coast, and you don't have to either. Can you hold 'W' on your keyboard for 30 seconds? Give it a shot; if it works, then you have the power to avoid being "spawn killed" just like me. All you have to do is walk forward a few feet. Literally. That's it. The major epidemic plaguing the game has been solved. You may rest easily now.

 

You cannot just run out, bandits spawn camp with m4's and snipers. 30 seconds isn't long enough to get out of the coast, let alone escape the snipers in the woods probably switching to fnx's to mow you down.

 

You're either full of shit or very unlucky. I have never been sniped or killed with an M4 anyhwere near a spawn point. Not once. Last night I even made a full circle and came back down to Kamyshovo to see if I might not find some of these notorious campers everyone's always talking about. I stood on the road in Kamyshovo for about 10 minutes in full gear. I saw three new spawns run past, but not a single bandit. I heard no gunshots. It was basically quiet.

 

Maybe try a different server?

 

Or just try to stop making shit up about things that aren't happening.

 

This post is ridiculous, you are spouting basic information THAT EVERYONE PRACTICES.

 

I promise you not everyone practices these things. The pile of corpses in the middle of Cherno and Elektro on every single daylight server tells me that not EVERYONE practices these things.

 

Excuse me, but I am not a pvper, why would I look for new players??

 

To help them out? To talk to them? Maybe explore the map? I don't know. Anything you want.

 

This logic fail in your post, lack of experience and knowledge of nows problems...

 

"Lack of experience." You're cute, mate.

 

Zed, no matter what you think about Dean's application for godlyhood. He's still one man with one opinion and one life experience lending one set of primary preferences, like everybody else.

 

Yes. He "is but one man." But, he's the creator of the game. So if you disagree with him about what makes a good game, then you should go find a different game to play, not argue that you know better than him and try to change his game for him.

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

It absolutely nothing like that

It is, the EULA state what you can and cannot do with the software you are using, it's never "yours" the only thing that is yours is the right to use it according to the EULA.

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

It absolutely nothing like that

 

Yes, it's actually exactly like that. A landlord owns the property so he gets to say what you do with it even though you're paying rent.

 

Bohemia Interactive owns the DayZ software, so they get to say what happens to it even though people are paying for servers on which to host it.

 

It's a perfect analogy.

Edited January 10, 2014 by ZedsDeadBaby

[Phantasm (DayZ) 57]

It absolutely nothing like that

 

Yes it is.....

[shawnofthedead 8]

I'm not against the servers existing at all but there should never be a friendly fire off option and killing should be the same as it is normally, just a way for like minded people to meet up (even though i feel it encourages KoS). honestly i'd kinda like a solo mode when (if) the zombies get done, are an actual threat and there are masses of them just to see how i do alone, but even then it's something i'd like to mess around with not something i would actively play in.

Oh god when they get zombies working it is going to completely change my style of game play

[djporternz 644]

So if I was rich and had better lawyers, I could sue dean over this?

No! Because you didn't get the server without signing the pre-nup. As soon as you signed that, he has all the marbles (and the lawyers and your cash).

 

You sign on the line and you play by their rules. That's how it works. That's how it's always worked. That's how it will work tomorrow.

[libertine 351]

Yes. He "is but one man." But, he's the creator of the game. So if you disagree with him about what makes a good game, then you should go find a different game to play, not argue that you know better than him and try to change his game for him.

Doesn't matter in the context im referring too... and this is like saying playing the DayZ mod servers instead of Arma2 stock is wrong (oh and your pissing on the Arma 2 devs :rolleyes: ). The fact that you cant see that... Im guessing your young. Of course Rocket knows what game he like most for him, but some of these folks know what they like. As do people who downloaded a weapon mod for Arma and as do the people who passed on it. Its all preference and its all legitimate. If it effects testing or somehow off puts someone from DayZ (doubt that), thats another issue, which im not referring to.

[melancholymastermind 33]

I think I will just wait until BI adds the required server options and admin abilities to allow people to setup private servers with this form of focus legally.   Then I will go and play on those servers, you will play on yours and you will realise that all your bitching actually amounted to nothing and that you are enjoying the game you want to enjoy while I am enjoying the game I want to enjoy and neither of us are hindering the other.

 

 

I have no shadow of doubt in my mind this will come around before the game is released as a final product.  No doubt in my mind at all.

[Phantasm (DayZ) 57]

Doesn't matter in the context im referring too... and this is like saying playing the DayZ mod servers instead of Arma2 stock is wrong (oh and your pissing on the Arma 2 devs :rolleyes: ). The fact that you cant see that... Im guessing your young. Of course Rocket knows what game he like most for him, but some of these folks know what they like. As do people who downloaded a weapon mod for Arma and as do the people who passed on it. Its all preference and its all legitimate. If it effects testing or somehow off puts someone from DayZ (doubt that), thats another issue, which im not referring to.

 Except what's wrog in your example is that Arma specifically allows people to customize the game as they see fit, it's part of the EULA that says it's ok.  DayZ does NOT allow customizing it as it is against the EULA specifically because the game is designed to be a certain way, and nothing else.

 

There are some things Dean likes he hasn't put in the game because the community didn't, and there are things he dislikes but has ingame because the community does.

Edited January 10, 2014 by Phantasm

[melancholymastermind 33]

 Except what's wrog in your example is that Arma specifically allows people to customize the game as they see fit, it's part of the EULA that says it's ok.  DayZ does NOT allow customizing it as it is against the EULA specifically because the game is designed to be a certain way, and nothing else.

 

I know its against it at the moment due to its early stage of development. but the Steam Page specifically lists modding as a feature

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

The fact that you cant see that... Im guessing your young.

 

My young what? 

 

But seriously, I'm 34. Don't make assumptions about people.

 

Of course Rocket knows what game he like most for him, but some of these folks know what they like.

 

Right. And if those folks don't like what rocket has to offer, then they have plenty of other options available in the way of different games, or they could go start a kickstarter and make their own title.

 

rocket has a vision for what he wants to achieve with the game, and if that vision doesn't include any Joe Schmoo with enough money to rent a server completely changing the fundamental mechanics of the game because they "feel like it," then I don't see why we shouldn't endeavor to respect that.

[Space Milk 195]

No, that's not what you want. You want a specific play style and no others whatsoever. There's nothing at all preventing you from playing whatever style you wish on standard servers. Plenty of people do it every day and did it all throughout the mod without special PvE servers. You can be a medic, an explorer, a survivalist; Hell, if it really strikes your fancy you can be a goddamned bard and go around singing songs to people. All of these play styles are available and viable on standard servers.

 

What you want is safety, comfort and reassurance that you will not be threatened by other players. And safe, comfortable and reassured are all exactly the opposite of the emotions Dean wants you to feel while playing DayZ. "PvE only servers simply break the game.

 

 

Yes, I am. I play on regular, full servers. I just don't hang out on the coast, and you don't have to either. Can you hold 'W' on your keyboard for 30 seconds? Give it a shot; if it works, then you have the power to avoid being "spawn killed" just like me. All you have to do is walk forward a few feet. Literally. That's it. The major epidemic plaguing the game has been solved. You may rest easily now.

 

 

You're either full of shit or very unlucky. I have never been sniped or killed with an M4 anyhwere near a spawn point. Not once. Last night I even made a full circle and came back down to Kamyshovo to see if I might not find some of these notorious campers everyone's always talking about. I stood on the road in Kamyshovo for about 10 minutes in full gear. I saw three new spawns run past, but not a single bandit. I heard no gunshots. It was basically quiet.

 

Maybe try a different server?

 

Or just try to stop making shit up about things that aren't happening.

 

 

I promise you not everyone practices these things. The pile of corpses in the middle of Cherno and Elektro on every single daylight server tells me that not EVERYONE practices these things.

 

 

To help them out? To talk to them? Maybe explore the map? I don't know. Anything you want.

 

 

"Lack of experience." You're cute, mate.

 

 

Yes. He "is but one man." But, he's the creator of the game. So if you disagree with him about what makes a good game, then you should go find a different game to play, not argue that you know better than him and try to change his game for him.

 

Yet there are PVP servers, where the PVPers there want a PVP playstyle AND NOTHING ELSE. Hmmmm...

You spawn on the coast, in a central area where everyone spawns, easy place to be spawn camped.  If you haven't experienced that then don't bother replying to this refute.

Same as above.

Maybe because they get sniped at the most unexpected times?

If you don't know then don't assume.

You haven't experienced spawn camping, so you lack experience.  Is that hard to comprehend?

Men have flaws.

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

I know its against it at the moment due to its early stage of development.

 

Why would that matter? You don't need mods to turn off friendly fire. If rocket wanted to allow it, he would just allow it. 

 

The fact that it's not an option and expressly and specifically against server hosting rules tells me he might not share your grand vision for the future of the title.

 

We'll see I guess.

[Phantasm (DayZ) 57]

Yet there are PVP servers, where the PVPers there want a PVP playstyle AND NOTHING ELSE. Hmmmm...

You spawn on the coast, in a central area where everyone spawns, easy place to be spawn camped.  If you haven't experienced that then don't bother replying to this refute.

Same as above.

Maybe because they get sniped at the most unexpected times?

If you don't know then don't assume.

You haven't experienced spawn camping, so you lack experience.  Is that hard to comprehend?

Men have flaws.

 EVERY server is a PVP server.  Those that have 'PVP' in the title are just putting it in the title to attract more players to their server.

[Sickerthansars 53]

Because part of what makes dayz dayz is the fact that at least for awhile you will always be wondering "Can I really trust this guy I met on the street or is he going to kill me later" PVE only would defeat the entire purpose of dayz, if you want that there is left 4 dead, TWD games etc. 

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

Yet there are PVP servers

 

Where PvE is also allowed, so that's a ridiculously specious analogy. There are no "PvP only" servers, which is what PvE servers really are.

 

Get it straight. There are no PvE servers. There are no PvP servers. There are just servers.

 

If you haven't experienced that then don't bother replying to this refute.

 

Oh, so now you get to tell me what to do on the forums too? Is this a "PvE forum" now?

 

Get bent dude.

[Space Milk 195]

 EVERY server is a PVP server.  Those that have 'PVP' in the title are just putting it in the title to attract more players to their server.

 

Every server is PVP enabled.  Not every server is for PVP only though.

Same with PVE

[Sickerthansars 53]

I love how these PvE pro people scream saying they should be able to do what they want while at the same time trying to restrict another fellow gamers freedom to do what they want.

 

Gotta love that internet.

Its no different than political groups wanting freedom from gov but then demanding the government tell you who you can marry, or feminists demanding equality and then getting mad when the white house wants to do away with pull up requirements for recruits because females couldnt do more than 3. Its not an internet phenom.  PVE is arguably the most asinine argument i have seen on the fourms. Part of what makes dayz dayz is not knowing if you can trust the guy you met in that little town two days ago or not...if you want to play kill zombie simulators left 4 dead and TWD games are both on steam. 

Edited January 10, 2014 by Sickerthansars

[Space Milk 195]

Where PvE is also allowed, so that's a ridiculously specious analogy. There are no "PvP only" servers, which is what PvE servers really are.

 

Get it straight. There are no PvE servers. There are no PvP servers. There are just servers.

 

 

Oh, so now you get to tell me what to do on the forums too? Is this a "PvE forum" now?

 

Get bent dude.

It's PVP ENABLED, but focuses and caters to the PVE players.  

TTT garrysmod.  There are RDM servers, yet every server is already rdm enabled, doesn't all servers are rdm servers.

 

LOL if you are threatened by a post on the internet then YOU need to get bent.  I just said don't bother to refute this post if you haven't experienced something, because we would just be having a problem of misvisualization and miscommunication.  I didn't even order you, I just said don't bother.  

GET BENT DUDE!

[Pandema 352]

I'm failing to see the difference between a PvP enabled server, a PvP server, and a normal server

 

I don't think I've ever joined a server where I've been kicked for not engaging someone like how PvE servers want to kick you for killing someone.

Edited January 10, 2014 by Pandema

[-Gews- 7443]

PvE servers destroy Rocket's vision of the game. It's not even DayZ anymore.

I like to imagine it's to protect the good name of DayZ by preventing it from being turned into a loot-collecting circle jerk.

[wgaf 251]

No person with integrity and character can assault the moral rights of the developers to manage their intellectual property as they choose. 

 

Purchasing a licensed copy of DayZ or renting a server does not entitle you to make derivative works or to alter certain things in the game. Nor does it entitle you to have any say in how a server you rent is run. You are paying for the ability to restart the server, change its name, set the time, and the message of the day. That's it, that's the consideration you get in return for your payment. 

 

For example, each person who rents a server agrees not to kick or ban players. Anyone who does is a liar, and guilty of violating his agreement and breaking his word. 

 

Just because you can get away with stealing something from someone doesn't make it the right thing to do.

 

In just the same way, just because you can get away with violating the moral rights of intellectual property holders doesn't make it the right thing to do. 

[wgaf 251]

I'm failing to see the difference between a PvP enabled server, a PvP server, and a normal server

 

I don't think I've ever joined a server where I've been kicked for not engaging someone like how PvE servers want to kick you for killing someone.

 

If you are kicked for that, its very important that you report the scumbags who run the server so it can be taken down. 

[wgaf 251]

PvE servers destroy Rocket's vision of the game. It's not even DayZ anymore.

I like to imagine it's to protect the good name of DayZ by preventing it from being turned into a loot-collecting circle jerk.

 

Exactly, and Rocket and the other developers have a moral right to enforce their vision of the game, since it is their property and they created it. 

 

People who violate their moral rights are wrongdoers. They're liars as well, given that they're people who can't be trusted to keep their word. 

[Space Milk 195]

Exactly, and Rocket and the other developers have a moral right to enforce their vision of the game, since it is their property and they created it. 

 

People who violate their moral rights are wrongdoers. They're liars as well, given that they're people who can't be trusted to keep their word. 

 

Moral right?  isn't it technically a legal right?