Ejw 9 Posted July 20, 2013 When someone kills a friendly next to you and starts shooting at you, killing them isn't really murder since that kind of move is of a bandit. So if you kill someone who starts attacking you first, I don't think you should have to lose humanity points for killing them since it's self-defence. Of course people aiming to become a bandit wouldn't like this but I think the majority would. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OfficerRaymond 2064 Posted July 20, 2013 Been suggested a million times. I'm on the fence about it, because there are tons of positives that come from it, but there are also tons of negatives. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lady Kyrah 1110 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) It is a murder. Don't be silly. The concept of self defence is not universal. I find the humanity thing silly and artificial, but hey according to the yahoos who support humanity, killing "anyone" will make you slowly go insane. Edited July 20, 2013 by Lady Kyrah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statik (DayZ) 2695 Posted July 20, 2013 You murdered him, plain and simple. If you're focused around your humanity, maim him and run, don't kill him. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ejw 9 Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) Thought it hadn't been suggested since I searched but kind of obvious subject I suppose. Also killing a bandit is murder, so then why don't you lose humanity points from killing them? You can still have the characteristics of a bandit without having the skin so this why I think something like this should be implemented. Edited July 20, 2013 by Ejw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Gews- 7443 Posted July 20, 2013 Do like Jesus and turn the other cheek! I can't think of any situations in which it would be justified to actually kill someone, especially if they're only trying to murder you. Yeah "humanity" is kind of broken and always will be. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfensteinsaurus 2252 Posted July 20, 2013 To hell with humanity....I'm a cold grammar nazi, I don't care who I kill, I only care if I correct them first... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Statik (DayZ) 2695 Posted July 20, 2013 Do like Jesus and turn the other cheek! I can't think of any situations in which it would be justified to actually kill someone, especially if they're only trying to murder you. Yeah "humanity" is kind of broken and always will be. I think beans is a very justifiable reason to shoot someone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liquidcactus 719 Posted July 21, 2013 murder and man slaughter are the 2 differences here so yes they both have to just register as a murder but it is a strange issue because but the person above is right..the concept of self defence but it should in some way still be fair in the way of if a bandit is shooting at u first and you kill the bandit it shouldnt register as a murder.. or maybe it allready doesnt i dont know ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AmberHelios 2071 Posted July 21, 2013 To hell with humanity....I'm a cold grammar nazi, I don't care who I kill, I only care if I correct them first... “grammatical errors: 2” 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wild_man 4442 Posted July 21, 2013 if you want play like hero skin guy but make kills for defend yourself is problem for sure. :| is possible make too many blood bag for some guys to make humanity higher or something like this? for me is ok, my humanty is more than -12 thousands something, is take me 1 month play like some carebear for make one hero skin - but I never do like this, is not for me the fun way for make play. :P 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
colekern 1364 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) Wait, what? The replies here are very... strange.Self defense is literally defending yourself when someone is trying to take your life. There's nothing wrong with defending yourself. Defense is not murder at all.Defending yourself should not give you humanity loss. Edited July 21, 2013 by colekern 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Gews- 7443 Posted July 22, 2013 Wait, what? The replies here are very... strange.Self defense is literally defending yourself when someone is trying to take your life. There's nothing wrong with defending yourself. Defense is not murder at all.Defending yourself should not give you humanity loss. Exactly... I'm not sure if my sarcasm got through. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lady Kyrah 1110 Posted July 22, 2013 Wait, what? The replies here are very... strange.Self defense is literally defending yourself when someone is trying to take your life. There's nothing wrong with defending yourself. Defense is not murder at all.Defending yourself should not give you humanity loss. According to humanity defenders, killing a human being is such a thraumatic event that it will make you insane, hence humanity system. Why killing someone to save your own life would be any different? It's not my logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kraorr 6 Posted September 18, 2013 Might as well rename Humanity by Stupidity so that we can have the same sterile conversation about it, but just with a funnier tone to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gwraspe 318 Posted September 18, 2013 According to humanity defenders, killing a human being is such a thraumatic event that it will make you insane, hence humanity system. Why killing someone to save your own life would be any different? It's not my logic. whomever that logic belongs to, it's wrong. if you want play like hero skin guy but make kills for defend yourself is problem for sure. :| is possible make too many blood bag for some guys to make humanity higher or something like this? for me is ok, my humanty is more than -12 thousands something, is take me 1 month play like some carebear for make one hero skin - but I never do like this, is not for me the fun way for make play. :P literally everytime KoS posts it makes me smile, thank you for your broken English - it is genuinely awesome :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frytek 130 Posted September 18, 2013 The humanity will be broken, as it originates from ArmA 2 'friendly fire' stuff (if you kill 2 friendlies in arma you are shot on sight) , the same thing with dayz, but expanded to the hero status. Now I have to crush your feelings:It will never, ever be repaired in the mod! Muahahaha!Also, self defence 'murderer' is not a murderer, but killing in self defence. Problem solved for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enforcer1975 1111 Posted September 18, 2013 When someone kills a friendly next to you and starts shooting at you, killing them isn't really murder since that kind of move is of a bandit. So if you kill someone who starts attacking you first, I don't think you should have to lose humanity points for killing them since it's self-defence. Of course people aiming to become a bandit wouldn't like this but I think the majority would. Someone shooting another right next to him is not banditry, that choice of word like the word zombie for the infected is so wrong and misleading imo. Let's juts put everything that involves homicide without reason into two words: "stupid KoS" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerosshadow 3 Posted September 18, 2013 I have an issue with this too, while i dont think you should gain humanity, a player should be able to defend his/herself without sacrificing their reputation. I feel humanity is more that than anything else, a reputation, do you try to help, or slaughter all in your path. Both have pros and cons, and both can be fun depending on who you are. But its unbalanced when one cant kill the other without becoming the other.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enforcer1975 1111 Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Humanity shouldn't be measured. A lot of the players lack common sense, compassion and humanity anyway when they turn on their computer. Edited September 18, 2013 by Enforcer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akoshodosy@hotmail.com 1 Posted September 19, 2013 Hi guys and girls! My solution is to choise at the beginning with side u fight for. The choice for man or woman is unnecessary. (Sorry girls) more needed to choice the side, or maybe u can choice by rooster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enforcer1975 1111 Posted September 19, 2013 Hi guys and girls! My solution is to choise at the beginning with side u fight for. The choice for man or woman is unnecessary. (Sorry girls) more needed to choice the side, or maybe u can choice by rooster. What??? There are no sides in DayZ...no blufor, opfor or independant... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Gews- 7443 Posted September 19, 2013 What??? There are no sides in DayZ...no blufor, opfor or independant... Would zeds be Indies or OPFOR? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
enforcer1975 1111 Posted September 19, 2013 Would zeds be Indies or OPFOR? Technically zeds are civilians which should be indies set to "friendly to nobody". This side thing was part of the military game ArmA anyway...in the SA there shouldn't be any sides at all imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akoshodosy@hotmail.com 1 Posted September 19, 2013 I see there is lots of low intel user here, i try to explane for u. If the game already has 2 sides 1 for "good" 1 for "bad" players, why we cant choice?? the "goods" becomes negative karma if they shoot a bad guy?? I vote extremly for side choice!!What??? There are no sides in DayZ...no blufor, opfor or independant... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
