Long time fan and player, faith in SA and Rocket is gone.

[DemonGroover 8836]

Hey we all get a little fatigued by one game eventually. Pick up some new titles, have a coke, put on a smile and get back when the SA is out.

I haven't played in a few weeks myself but I'm sure the final product will be sweet. They can take their time and get it right.Now, back to some Chivalry:Medieval Warfare!

This is true. Maybe we all need a "holiday".

I think we all want the same thing - Standalone to be great and for it to come out soon.

[kingfury4 65]

I stated that I would. Do you actually read or do you skim through and reply based on your own inability to properly make out the point of the topic in front of you?

No, it's the fact that these posts are a weekly delight. Same old, same old. Why should we put ourselves through reading the same old thing about faith lost and such? Edited April 23, 2013 by Kingfury4

[PuRe DAYZ 39]

I say does anyone remember the time when SA was coming ou in december. someone posted this is hate. ive read probs 3 today. so messed up why inception it would have been a great topic

[Stoned Orangutan 31]

TL,DR

[Rage VG 4033]

I'll agree to disagree. I think they are rather lax and deceiving.

You think that photo and video evidence of development, in addition to a text-based rundown that gives a logically sound explanation of what's going on in the video can somehow be "deceiving"? Is your tinfoil hat cutting off circulation to your brain or something?

[diddums 3760]

I agree with you 100% OP. We all know that every other game developer on the face of the earth plans out their games from the get-go and never skip a beat, so why does Rocket and his crew? Every other dev has backup artists and coders that have their phone on all the time just in case something goes wrong, so why don't these guys? It's insane, right? It's totally unacceptable that Rocket didn't see all these setbacks coming, after all, you certainly did and I had a hunch too, as did the devs of Gran Turismo 5.

And after all, when someone releases a mod totally free of charge, which they've developed in their free time with no intention of it being released to the public they can at least do it right, right?

And all those damn servers... all those guys that spend at least £50 a month to run a server. Who the hell do they think they are running the server the way they like it? They need to cater to the needs of the many dammit!

Hackers too... what the hell? Every other game ever made has managed to avoid hackers, so why not this mod that cost nothing and is only an experiment?

Pure insanity here I tell you!

[OrLoK 16185]

Hello there

I think OP is fully within his/her rights to believe what they do, even if it is incorrect. It's fairly obvious the rest of us wont convince them otherwise, so, I suggest you let them be on their way.

Let the OP wait for the release of the SA and then they can judge whether they want to continue with the franchise by reading reviews.

That way everyone is happy-ish.

rgds

LoK

[Rage VG 4033]

Hello there

I think OP is fully within his/her rights to believe what they do, even if it is incorrect. It's fairly obvious the rest of us wont convince them otherwise, so, I suggest you let them be on their way.

Let the OP wait for the release of the SA and then they can judge whether they want to continue with the franchise by reading reviews.

That way everyone is happy-ish.

rgds

LoK

Yes, but we are also in our right to criticize it, even if it is in-constructive. The whole point of a thread is to debate the topic at hand, after all. As long as posts aren't simply flat-out insults, I'm not seeing anything wrong with people posting to disagree, even if the responses could be (and let's be honest, should be) considered as harsh.

Edited April 23, 2013 by Rage VG

[OrLoK 16185]

Yes, but we are also in our right to criticize it, even if it is in-constructive. The whole point of a thread is to debate the topic at hand, after all. As long as posts aren't simply flat-out insults, I'm not seeing anything wrong with people posting to disagree, even if the responses could be (and let's be honest, should be) considered as harsh.

True, very true.

I've not slept for 48 hours, so am a bit fuzzy. apologies.

Rgds

LoK

[Rage VG 4033]

True, very true.

I've not slept for 48 hours, so am a bit fuzzy. apologies.

Rgds

LoK

Don't get me wrong, your point isn't moot at all; he most certainly is entitled to his opinion, and had he not been slanderous in his first post, I'd feel that the harsh backlash would've been called for. Unfortunately that's not the case, and really I'm not sure what he was expecting.

[itsjustadeer 5]

Don't get me wrong, your point isn't moot at all; he most certainly is entitled to his opinion, and had he not been slanderous in his first post, I'd feel that the harsh backlash would've been called for. Unfortunately that's not the case, and really I'm not sure what he was expecting.

Slanderous? How so? Because I'm calling it how I see it?

I wasn't expecting a thing. I wanted people to read my concerns, sure, but I wanted those people to be the devs. They need to know people feel like this. Rocket needs to know. It's quite obvious half of the people responding with negative feedback didn't actually read my post. That's perfectly fine by me, I just don't expect a response to this post unless the person actually read it. Otherwise, that's called trolling.

And to those of you who obviously misinterpreted what I said about the two devs getting imprisoned... I didn't say 'replace them and fire them'. I simply meant to replace them for the time being and swallow what was handed to you. Get your shit together and develop a game that you promised a long time ago. It's really not that complicated.

You think that photo and video evidence of development, in addition to a text-based rundown that gives a logically sound explanation of what's going on in the video can somehow be "deceiving"? Is your tinfoil hat cutting off circulation to your brain or something?

As I said, I'll agree to disagree. No, the photo and video evidence don't support the text-based rundowns. Barely anything I've seem amounts to the progress Rocket claimed they made even 4 months back from now. I'm sorry that you don't see this. I'm sorry that you're butthurt about my critique and you feel the need to insult me. My brain works fine, thank you.

[itsjustadeer 5]

TL,DR

Then why even post that? To point out your inability to read 5-7 short paragraphs? Or do you just like to troll and waste forum space? I'm not sure what issue people have with reading, but if you're too lazy to read a minutes worth worth of material; get the heck off of forums and stay on twitter.

I find it very ironic that people are whining about too many 'I hate rocket' posts, as if these posts are some how 'whiny'. Hypocrites.

When Rocket designed DayZ, I'm fairly sure he wasn't on a mission to put ArmA 2 CO back on Steams top seller list. Now, as for "ERMAGERD STANDALONE IZ L4TE, S0 Rocket is Soz B4D".

1. If the DayZ Dev team didn't rolled back the release date, we would have DayZ SA right now. Except it would be a polished version of the mod, thus meaning same problems with hacking/scripting (this has been said in previous threads), so with the later release date, we are going to get a fully functional, REMADE game.

2. Yes, two of Rockets employees, went to prison. Now, you could be a heartless bastard and replace them, or you could not be a heartless bastard. And like Inception said, you don't know his relationship with them.

3. As for your whitelisting horse shit, it's not complicated, nor is it a big deal. You could either be a lazy individual who is too lazy to get whitelisted on something such as Balota Buddies, or BMRF, and decides to start a flame war because your game isn't out yet. How hard can it really be to go to a website (you don't even need to type "www." anymore, so it's WAAAAY faster), send them your GUID (easily obtained) and await an email. And AGAIN, like Inception said before, there are many public and private hives that don't have whitelisting, but have great anti-hack/admins.

So go ahead, curse rocket, start a flame war. Regardless of what you do on your way out the door, you won't be missed.

1. I understand that, but thank you.

2. Their work should have been resumed by somebody else in order to maintain a good development cycle.

3. I didn't say it was 'too complicated'. I said it's complicated and getting old. There isn't another game I have to get whitelisted for in order to avoid hackers (I mean, no games outside of mods made for Arma II).

As far as me not being missed. Thank you for notifying me of that fact. It should be noted I never asked if anyone was going to miss me. In fact I don't know a person on these forums and I have very few friends who play this game. My goal isn't to be missed. My goal is to let my views be heard and I humbly thank you for your input sir.

Edited April 23, 2013 by itsjustadeer

[diddums 3760]

I find it very ironic that people are whining about too many 'I hate rocket' posts, as if these posts are some how 'whiny'. Hypocrites.

I find it very ironic that people complain about something they paid nothing for, not a penny, not a cent, not a unicorn tear. They have no obligation to play it, they are in no way dependent on it, it is 100% for pleasure purposes and yet you moan about it.

I say we all write to Rocket and tell him to stop climbing his stupid rock, tell all the devs to stop wasting resources on this stupid standalone project and fix the stupid bugs in this stupid game that we didn't pay for or are in no way whatsoever obliged to play, and delete all the stupid hackers off the face of the earth or tell them at least to go to all the other thousands of stupid games that they plague so that stupid, ungrateful people can play this stupid mod like the stupid devs never intended them to.

Silly.

[itsjustadeer 5]

I find it very ironic that people complain about something they paid nothing for, not a penny, not a cent, not a unicorn tear. They have no obligation to play it, they are in no way dependent on it, it is 100% for pleasure purposes and yet you moan about it.

I say we all write to Rocket and tell him to stop climbing his stupid rock, tell all the devs to stop wasting resources on this stupid standalone project and fix the stupid bugs in this stupid game that we didn't pay for or are in no way whatsoever obliged to play, and delete all the stupid hackers off the face of the earth or tell them at least to go to all the other thousands of stupid games that they plague so that stupid, ungrateful people can play this stupid mod like the stupid devs never intended them to.

Silly.

Your abundance of sarcasm and also your lack of ability to grasp the point of my opinions hardly contributes to this discussion.

Since it's not against forum rules to post my opinions on Rocket and the SA, I did so. Of course I had no idea people would troll my post down a road that leads to nothing of value; I guess I expected more out of a community of gamer's that play such an awesome and unique game.

I'm not really complaining about things I got for free. I'm complaining about something what was promised to the community, that I would buy with my hard earned money once it comes out. Most of all, I'm complaining about the leadership of that project, since I believe they could do a lot better.

I could go on and on about my experience in game development and my ability to look outside of the box on this issue in particular; but I'll go ahead and proceed without giving you all that benefit and let you be on your merry way believing whatever horseshit comes out of Rocket's mouth from this point on. So long, suckers. This is my last reply.

[M4V3R1CK (DayZ) 11]

So op is mad at a dev team for not pumping out a game in 6 months or less lol? If you had any brains at all you would have taken the whole December thing with very little faith. For the simple fact no good game can be made in that short a time. I honestly wouldn't have bought SA if it game out in December for the simple fact it probably would have ended up like Warz. Also look at Call of Duty they put "12 months of work" into that game and it is still crap so how do you think any game could be good with less than 12 months of build time.

[diddums 3760]

Dude, a few things you need to take into account. Firstly, my sarcasm wasn't necessarily aimed at you as a person, but rather the small minority of people that join these boards for the sole purpose of complaining about something they got for free. Nothing gets under my skin more than a false sense of entitlement.

Secondly, this isn't CoD. There is no mahoossive budget backing this up, there are no shareholders, no deadlines and no targets. Sure there might have been the odd hint here or there about a release date but what people are all too quick to forget is that this isn't being developed in some massive office with sexy secretaries with those fancy headsets, it's being developed in a small office at best, it wouldn't surprise me if these guys are doing it on their personal machines too. Things happen, expected or not. As a dev team, I'm sure they'd have LOVE to have had this game released by now and as it could well be the biggest thing they've worked on yet, they probably did get carried away and make promises they can't keep. I've been there. When realism fades to excitement and enthusiasm, words are said and promises made that often can't be kept. It's not too much to ask of the fans to understand and cut them some slack.

Thirdly, if Rocket made any cash at all from DayZ, I'd be surprised. Maybe donations or contributions but there was never a payment system put in place, so any cash he made from this was purely down to fans contributing. This is also the budget he has to develop this game. He hasn't released any titles prior to this and make no mistake, this is a HUGE learning experience for him and his crew too.

I think rather than jump all over him for not satisfying us all NOW, we should rather embrace the fact that this is a small crew lead by a developer that is caught like a rabbit in some headlights and wish them all the best in developing what we all hope will be a smooth, polished experience once it is released, rather than rush everything and release a paid for beta (call of duty anyone?).

So yeah, no hard feelings dude, but I do think that there are some things you need to take into account before jumping all over him.

[Private Evans 1303]

Let's have a look on the SA improvments and features that have been confirmed and shown so far :

Engine:

New Server/Client structure (has been explained to death and is still being worked on)

Map :

All buildings enterable (providing detailed and immersive interiors)

7 cities revamped so far (ongoing)

new areas like the new Cherno suburbs , swamps, new large military facilty ( thats the new areas we have seen so far, I am sure there will be a few more)

airfilelds and military camps redone and added (Balota and NW Airfiled shown so far)

Utes has been added to the map

better textures for the landscape , trees, grass, roads and buildings etc

a lot of eyecandy like wrecked cars crashed airplanes and stuff has been added

new structures (prison has been confirmed)

a new satelite map ( far distance view is a lot better)

improved rendering ( far distance view is a lot better)

ToH improved weather sytem including volumetric clouds

Completely new inventory, clothing and item system (has been explained to death)

Completely new loot spawn system (blablabla)

Crafting

new UI

new character models

new zombie skins ( one female has been shown so far)

a completely new skeleton (allowing melee combat for example )

improved 1. person view

completely new mocaped animations ( player and infected)

new anims (jump for example) and idle anims

improved Zombie pathfinding and AI

all weapons will be remade from the scratch ( AK, M4 and Mauser Riffle confirmed so far)

new crossbow model

overhauled ingame chat functions including radios

readable books, notes and journals as well as usable pen and paper

tons of new items ( like gasmaks, desinfection sprays, can opener etc etc etc)

that's only the stuff we have seen ( no secrets) and has been made in 7 months by a small team

What The Fuck is wrong with you ????

Edited April 23, 2013 by Private Evans

[Rage VG 4033]

Slanderous? How so? Because I'm calling it how I see it?

I wasn't expecting a thing. I wanted people to read my concerns, sure, but I wanted those people to be the devs. They need to know people feel like this. Rocket needs to know. It's quite obvious half of the people responding with negative feedback didn't actually read my post. That's perfectly fine by me, I just don't expect a response to this post unless the person actually read it. Otherwise, that's called trolling.

And to those of you who obviously misinterpreted what I said about the two devs getting imprisoned... I didn't say 'replace them and fire them'. I simply meant to replace them for the time being and swallow what was handed to you. Get your shit together and develop a game that you promised a long time ago. It's really not that complicated.

As I said, I'll agree to disagree. No, the photo and video evidence don't support the text-based rundowns. Barely anything I've seem amounts to the progress Rocket claimed they made even 4 months back from now. I'm sorry that you don't see this. I'm sorry that you're butthurt about my critique and you feel the need to insult me. My brain works fine, thank you.

Your entire first post was nothing but slander. Before I even commented here you were pretty much going with that "If you disagree clearly you're just butthurt" argument (further proven by your falling back to it just now) which is simply disrespectful to anyone on the other side of the argument, dismissing them before they've even had their stay. Simply put, I could very easily debate this normally, but since it's apparent that's not what you're really after, I won't waste my time trying. The videos and photo evidence DOES support it, hence why it is evidence. If there is a feature being talked about in the devblog, there is videos or pictures of it working as explained. There is no fathomable way this can be considered inaccurate, if it literally describes exactly what is shown.

[Zarniwoop 1193]

completely new ragdoll animations (player and infected)

I have not heard anything about this! Have I missed something?

I agree with you on the whole! There is litterally a TON of features being implemented, as informed from PAX (Dont know why no one has mentioned this. There was material in the presentations to cover a few devblogs), Devblogs, here and (as much as it pains me) Reddit. You cannot expect them to put out a good game with all these features fast.

Edited April 23, 2013 by Zarniwoop

[Private Evans 1303]

sorry mocaped not ragdoll anims....thx mate...should drink more coffee before answering posts here

[St. Jimmy 1631]

I quit DayZ in December (spent only some time in new patches etc.) already because servers I played are full of KOS "CS/CoD/BF" players and my friends weren't also happy about that. Meeting new people was the fun part of the DayZ but when it's impossible there is only left deathmatch.

I'm just waiting rocket to deliver very hard game where you really need to try survive against the environment.

Btw just WTF on the OP's last paragraph.

Edited April 23, 2013 by St. Jimmy

[elf cakes 559]

If they happen everyday, that tells you something about the Rocket.

I like how people have no valid argument vs. my point, rather they take offense, spew out insults due to being obviously butthurt because their beloved forum isn't a rosy posy love fest for rocket and instead consists of some notably intelligent people making real and just critique of a poorly managed development cycle.

No offense.

the reason people get so annoyed is because we get some butthurt guy like you coming along all the time, and it can get tiresome trying to explain to them why they're wrong. you clearly like the mod and are very excited for the game, hence why you are posting on the forums. wouldnt you want the game to be as good as possible before you get it? or do you really want some rushed 'dayz: modern warfare 6' coming out every year or something like that? the fact that they are taking a while is a GOOD sign. they are clearly taking alot of care with it as they want it to be good. you just need to do something else until it's released, not waste your life waiting. play dark souls, that's an awesome game :P just dont bother whinging about it, because that doesnt help anyone. :) Edited April 23, 2013 by elf cakes

[Inception. 9443]

3. I didn't say it was 'too complicated'. I said it's complicated and getting old. There isn't another game I have to get whitelisted for in order to avoid hackers (I mean, no games outside of mods made for Arma II).

...are you aware that BE wasn't made to "defend" against scripting, right? And that this isn't a game, but a mod?

So long, suckers. This is my last reply.

So, ultimately, you're saying that you lack the ability to rebut against the valid things people throw at you? Really? This kind of invalidates your whole topic, and is actually really pathetic.

Not sure whether to lock or not

Edited April 23, 2013 by Inception.

[m.cab 83]

Post #874 from a person who is playing an alpha version of a mod and wont realize hes not playing a 60$ full-budget game. BBBOOOORRRRIIINNNGGG

[Mr Nasty 1023]

People are still beating this horse?