Cannibalism rework.

[Gopa-92b668fc397fb74e 1]

Hi, i have a suggestion to rework cannibalism. Lets reset treamor and laughing when you eating human meat back to normal state, so you be competable with other players for some time, until the treamor and laughing would come back. It would change a gameplay for those with disease, becouse you know, for expirienced players now it's easier to just suicide and squad members would deliver their loot to them(or you'll just run back to it from the shore) than playing with such debuff. It's boring, not fun.

Edited October 23, 2021 by Gopa-92b668fc397fb74e

[Gopa-92b668fc397fb74e 1]

Forgot to mention that eating humans is fun

Edited October 28, 2021 by Gopa-92b668fc397fb74e

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

So no penalty for cannabilism? Don't you think that would discourage player interactions? 

[Gopa-92b668fc397fb74e 1]

Not really, you still got shaking hands and laughing, but you need to constantly eat humans to feel ok

[Shift 25]

On 10/29/2021 at 2:18 PM, Gopa-92b668fc397fb74e said:

Not really, you still got shaking hands and laughing, but you need to constantly eat humans to feel ok

I like this idea.

[Parazight 1599]

How about we get rid of the laughing nonsense.  This is not how Kuru works at all.   Not even close to authentic.

[etwas 138]

41 minutes ago, Parazight said:

How about we get rid of the laughing nonsense.  This is not how Kuru works at all.   Not even close to authentic.

"...the individual shows signs of emotional instability and depression, yet exhibits uncontrolled and sporadic laughter."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

[Parazight 1599]

Oh wonderful. You found out about wiki. Now we have expert advice. 
 

Okay, so apparently kuru effects happen immediately now and are not tied to the normal decade long incubation period. And it’s no longer tied to just eating brain matter. You can get it by eating by muscle tissue. And it’s no longer limited to a select few indigenous tribes in the jungle.  But it’s on wiki, so it must be authentic. 
 

there should be no penalty in dayz for cannibalism, a world devoid of any morality or authenticity as it is. 

[etwas 138]

dunno what your problem is and in which ever way i should find out about kuru. should i start eating human meat? did you? so whats the outcome?

no morality? thats up to every each individual i guess - doesnt need an apocalypse for that....

there should be a penalty for sure. else there would be even more murdering and less interactions than we already have.

theres also enough food in the game, so noone really is forced to eat humans in order to survive....

 

 

[Shift 25]

There should be a harsh penalty for eating human meat, otherwise survival would be too easy as there is no shortage of player corpses in starting areas

[Parazight 1599]

On 11/1/2021 at 4:55 PM, etwas said:

dunno what your problem is and in which ever way i should find out about kuru. should i start eating human meat? did you? so whats the outcome?

no morality? thats up to every each individual i guess - doesnt need an apocalypse for that....

there should be a penalty for sure. else there would be even more murdering and less interactions than we already have.

theres also enough food in the game, so noone really is forced to eat humans in order to survive....

 

 

Taking one bite of human muscle in-game is basically committing suicide.  You're going to want a respawn, for sure.  No one wants to listen to that nonsense.  It's a terrible mechanic aside from the fact that it's not anything like Kuru in real life.

18 hours ago, Shift said:

There should be a harsh penalty for eating human meat, otherwise survival would be too easy as there is no shortage of player corpses in starting areas

I'm not sure a penalty is needed.   Just make their nutritional value lower.

[drgullen 596]

I'm with @Parazight on this one, but perhaps with a bit of a compromise -- have the person laugh once just so you know you've got it.  I agree about the nutritional value -- eating human meat should give you next to no energy at all and if you continue eating it for too long, you should just start barfing it all up.

There's absolutely no reason to do this though other than if you want to call yourself a cannibal.  I've been playing this game since 2015 and I have never, not even once, eaten human meat because I was starving to death.  Have I starved to death?  Yes, but that's just part of the game.  Sometimes when I play Madden, I lose the game.  Most times when I play PUBG, I don't get a chicken dinner.  Sometimes when I play DayZ, I starve to death.  It's part of the game.

[William Sternritter 449]

3 hours ago, drgullen said:

I'm with @Parazight on this one, but perhaps with a bit of a compromise -- have the person laugh once just so you know you've got it.  I agree about the nutritional value -- eating human meat should give you next to no energy at all and if you continue eating it for too long, you should just start barfing it all up.

Maybe not next to nothing but certainly lower nutritional value and once you do get sick of Kuru you will not get enough nutrition, as I understand from any food?, so you are on timer once you contract it. That should allow people to survive in emergencies if they chose to and even fully roleplay cannibalism. That way they could function fairly normally, with a rapid decline in health in the final stages. So cannibalism always leads to death but if you want to be a balls to the wall maniac, who lures people into traps and eats them, you could. I would even add the possibility to display body parts on sharpened sticks. 

[etwas 138]

7 hours ago, Parazight said:

Taking one bite of human muscle in-game is basically committing suicide.  You're going to want a respawn, for sure.  No one wants to listen to that nonsense.  It's a terrible mechanic aside from the fact that it's not anything like Kuru in real life.

I'm not sure a penalty is needed.   Just make their nutritional value lower.

i really dunno whats the obsession with eating human meat.

if theres no penalty, i can guarantee u people would just KOS more and they would eat the human meat anyway - nutrition or not - just cause they can.

so hows the kuru in real life, as the wiki quote didnt satisfy u. and which of those consequences should/could make it into the game?

making the nutrition value lower: is that closer to how kuru works?

[Parazight 1599]

2 hours ago, etwas said:

i really dunno whats the obsession with eating human meat.

if theres no penalty, i can guarantee u people would just KOS more and they would eat the human meat anyway - nutrition or not - just cause they can.

so hows the kuru in real life, as the wiki quote didnt satisfy u. and which of those consequences should/could make it into the game?

making the nutrition value lower: is that closer to how kuru works?

When the most logical move is to kill yourself because you accidentally ate human fat instead of animal fat, then yes, it's dumb.

People are not going to KOS more because there's no penalty on eating human meat.  Give me a break.  Eating your victim is not a requirement.  Please go read up on Kuru, how it works in real life, then tell me about the similarities it has with the game mechanic.

[Derleth 1357]

1 hour ago, Parazight said:

People are not going to KOS more because there's no penalty on eating human meat.  Give me a break.  Eating your victim is not a requirement.

I think you think too much of the average player. If they can shoot other players without negative consequence most players will do so. If they can then eat their victims without penalty - many will do so, just because they can.

That said, the fact that you'll get kuru for the tinyest nibble is ridiculous. In my opinion it should be a much slower onset. Eating your friend that one time just to survive - okay - repeatedly eating human meat every time you play - pop here comes the kuru. I think it would be easy enough to implement by changing how the disease agent grows - every time you ate human meat you would get X amount of the agent, and once the level of agent ingested reaches Y you would contract the disease. But it would not grow on its own like cholera or salmonella once you have eaten little - you'd need to eat more human meat to increase the agent level. On the other hand it would never ever decline, and you'd never have any visual cue on how far you'd have left... Adding some randomness to the amount required would eliminate potential meta.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Derleth

[etwas 138]

1 hour ago, Parazight said:

When the most logical move is to kill yourself because you accidentally ate human fat instead of animal fat, then yes, it's dumb.

People are not going to KOS more because there's no penalty on eating human meat.  Give me a break.  Eating your victim is not a requirement.  Please go read up on Kuru, how it works in real life, then tell me about the similarities it has with the game mechanic.

dunno how u would eat "accidently" human meat, but ok. im fine if they balance it a bit, so the kuru only kicks in if u eat x amount of human steak.

i did already quote the wiki part about the laughter. that was wrong i supposed so i asked YOU... and now i should read up about it again?

whatever

[DefectiveWater 536]

47 minutes ago, etwas said:

dunno how u would eat "accidently" human meat, but ok. im fine if they balance it a bit, so the kuru only kicks in if u eat x amount of human steak.

i did already quote the wiki part about the laughter. that was wrong i supposed so i asked YOU... and now i should read up about it again?

whatever

You can feed other players if you are in their proximity. Kinda unrealistic that you would manage to feed someone without them knowing about it.

The thing about kuru is that you don't get it IRL from eating human meat, but something something something eating human brain... I think (not sure, but read stuff about kuru long time ago).
I personally don't have issues with kuru except that you can feed other players so easily.

[Derleth 1357]

51 minutes ago, DefectiveWater said:

You can feed other players if you are in their proximity. Kinda unrealistic that you would manage to feed someone without them knowing about it.

The thing about kuru is that you don't get it IRL from eating human meat, but something something something eating human brain... I think (not sure, but read stuff about kuru long time ago).
I personally don't have issues with kuru except that you can feed other players so easily.

Iirc it is nervous tissue - of which of course brains is the obviously largest concentration. Probably initiated by someone at some time eating someone who had contracted the disease spontaneously. Remember the mad cow hysteria some years ago? That whole madness was triggered by the beef industry feeding cows MBM fodder made from...cows. Didn't work out so well. In the context of DayZ it could easily be formed into some lore logic saying that whatever condition or gene it is that makes survivors immune to the zombie infection will guarantee kuru if you eat from another immune survivor. I doubt the reasoning has gone to such depths in the design of the game's mechanics - but it would make sense if that was how they explained it.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Derleth

[McWendy 675]

I think its fine as is. You eat human meat (a very unapproved thing in human history) you get sick. You get something that's annoying as F and need to find a sollution. Bury your loot and off yourself. Solved. 

If its unknown fat, dont eat it. There's almost never a reason to eat human steaks and Ive played on some hardcore servers. Appearently going fishing is too time consuming. 

Going cannibal should be a RP decision not a im in need of food decision. 

And dont start the IRL discussion. There's so many concessions in this game for balance and playability sake we could start the discussion but it Will never end. 

Wanna start? Start with stamina, hunger, thirst, sleep, infected? 

[Parazight 1599]

Why raid and destroy bases when you can sneak in and replace all of their animal fat with human fat?  

Kuru was wiped out in the 20th Century.  Tribes would eat the dead (their kin) as a ritualistic practice.  Kuru prions were transmitted from cooked brain matter.  The laughing that goes with Kuru is very late stage.  By then, you're already completely incapacitated from the other devastating effects.  Which don't exist at all in DayZ.

It's fine if there's some mechanic that deals with eating players.  There can be a punishment for chronic cannibalism, sure.  But having to kill yourself because your squad-mate-noob put human fat in the base stash with the other food is extreme.  Lets punish chronic bad behavior, not honest accidents.  

Weird people around the globe have been drinking human blood for decades.  None of those idiots ever got kuru.

Personally, I would consider a visual nerf for a short time.  Maybe make sway worse.  Have it induce vomiting.  At least change the UI icon so that the fat looks different.

[etwas 138]

On 11/4/2021 at 6:02 AM, Parazight said:

Why raid and destroy bases when you can sneak in and replace all of their animal fat with human fat?

maybe 1 out 1000 people will do that. so kudos to those.