Zombies ruin PVP

[vfxtodd 125]

Every single time I come across a moment to actually engage in PVP,  zombies dump on my fun. Every time. I just died thanks to a fricken zombie. This is just getting too old.

In a previous PVP moment, I literally saw a zombie spawn right in front of me and charge straight to me. Ignoring the guy who was closer to the zombie, and doing the shooting.

Edited October 5, 2021 by vfxtodd
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[Tonyeh 454]

Good.

[vfxtodd 125]

Good? Okay. Kind of a vague response, but nothing new for the internet.

I have to say, I finally had a PVP experience that didn't involve zombies yesterday. It was quite satisfying.

[etwas 140]

game works as intended.

i call that "good" too.

[DefectiveWater 539]

On 10/6/2021 at 12:52 AM, vfxtodd said:

Ignoring the guy who was closer to the zombie, and doing the shooting.

Yeah, zombie aggro is sometimes just broken (not behaving in an expected way).

One time there was a ton of shooting in Svetlojarsk, but the zombies gave 0 Fs about it. But once I was like 15-20 meters away from them, I aggroed all of them.
I was sneaking all the time, making no sounds.

They certainly can ruin PVP (happened to me more than a dozen of times), but that's why players should adapt.
Zombies will always be a part of the game, you better either adapt (avoid shooting in towns and such, be ready to run if you shoot, have a plan how to escape, etc etc) or get used to them swarming you as soon as you shoot.

Edited November 2, 2021 by DefectiveWater

[Just Caused 423]

Have you tried playing a game that's not set in a zombie apocalypse?

[Tonyeh 454]

23 hours ago, vfxtodd said:

Good? Okay. Kind of a vague response, but nothing new for the internet.

I have to say, I finally had a PVP experience that didn't involve zombies yesterday. It was quite satisfying.

Nothing vague about it at all. It's good that zombies "ruin" PVP.

In fact, I'd have them spawn in much greater numbers and be able to respond to gunshot at a much greater distance too. So if some popped off their little gun into some players back they'd be absolutely swamped by zombies.

Too many people's first instinct in this game is merely to start blasting at the first person they see. There should be penalties for that.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Tonyeh

[Derleth 1357]

34 minutes ago, Tonyeh said:

Nothing vague about it at all. It's good that zombies "ruin" PVP.

In fact, I'd have them spawn in much greater numbers and be able to respond to gunshot at a much greater distance too. So if some popped off their little gun into some players back they'd be absolutely swamped by zombies.

Too many people's first instinct in this game is merely to start blasting at the first person they see. There should be penalties for that.

Agreed.

DayZ is not a pvp shooter. Never was. It is a zombie apocalypse survival sandbox with pvp elements. The fact you can shoot other players actually does not mean you must do that every changce you get. That a great part of the playerbase choose to play the game like that doesn't change that basic fact - there is no objective to get kills. There is no leaderboard.

So, that recent tweaks to zombies have finally made them more often interfere with (and annoy) the pewpew crowd makes me pleased.

[McWendy 675]

Now if only they would aggro on the person doing the shooting and not come straight for the one they never knew were there. Then it would be marvelous... Right now its Just bs mostly. 

[Tonyeh 454]

7 hours ago, Derleth said:

Agreed.

DayZ is not a pvp shooter. Never was. It is a zombie apocalypse survival sandbox with pvp elements. The fact you can shoot other players actually does not mean you must do that every changce you get. That a great part of the playerbase choose to play the game like that doesn't change that basic fact - there is no objective to get kills. There is no leaderboard.

So, that recent tweaks to zombies have finally made them more often interfere with (and annoy) the pewpew crowd makes me pleased.

I've just been shot by some cunt in the middle of a town in Livonia. I had a hoe and some rags. This geared guy shot me with a loud automatic weapon, so I reckon an assault rifle of some sort. There were zeds all over the place. Was he shooting me for my hoe?

I've no doubt that every zombie that heard him shoot flocked to him and he was already being chased by several. But, frankly, there's not enough zombies. If someone does that in the middle of a zed infested place they should be overwhelmed by them.

People in this game should be afraid to even speak, never mind shoot.

[McWendy 675]

25 minutes ago, Tonyeh said:

I've just been shot by some cunt in the middle of a town in Livonia. I had a hoe and some rags. This geared guy shot me with a loud automatic weapon, so I reckon an assault rifle of some sort. There were zeds all over the place. Was he shooting me for my hoe?

I've no doubt that every zombie that heard him shoot flocked to him and he was already being chased by several. But, frankly, there's not enough zombies. If someone does that in the middle of a zed infested place they should be overwhelmed by them.

People in this game should be afraid to even speak, never mind shoot.

He claimed you as his hoe, and therefore you needed a shot 😉

 

[kumando 199]

This guy is clearly trolling, don't feed him. 

[DefectiveWater 539]

15 hours ago, McWendy said:

Now if only they would aggro on the person doing the shooting and not come straight for the one they never knew were there. Then it would be marvelous... Right now its Just bs mostly. 

Yup, I know that feel. So dumb sometimes.

[Tonyeh 454]

1 hour ago, DefectiveWater said:

Yup, I know that feel. So dumb sometimes.

Well, in fairness, they are mindless zombies.

[DefectiveWater 539]

29 minutes ago, Tonyeh said:

Well, in fairness, they are mindless zombies.

Are they mindless though? With their ESP and map knowledge that can track me across 3 buildings and through 10 various door frames.

I think it's just an issue with AI implementation. Just like them being able to aggro onto me during pitch black nights while I can't see them, but they can see me.

Edit: I do get what you are saying tho. But when somebody shoots and they notice ME from like 20 meters instead of going to the shots... Just feels bogus.

Edited November 4, 2021 by DefectiveWater

[General Zod 1118]

20 hours ago, McWendy said:

Now if only they would aggro on the person doing the shooting and not come straight for the one they never knew were there. Then it would be marvelous... Right now its Just bs mostly. 

So you want good boy points by being invisible to zeds because you're the good guy not engaging in killing players? They might not know that you were there when they hear the gunshot but they do see you once they arrive, and on top of that this will only serve to encourage fresh players melee attacking equipped survivors, not only they have noting to lose and everything to gain by knocking out players that spent hours finding loot but now the game will punish the players for using the weapons they found to defend themselves.

Edited November 4, 2021 by General Zod

[McWendy 675]

5 hours ago, General Zod said:

So you want good boy points by being invisible to zeds because you're the good guy not engaging in killing players? They might not know that you were there when they hear the gunshot but they do see you once they arrive, and on top of that this will only serve to encourage fresh players melee attacking equipped survivors, not only they have noting to lose and everything to gain by knocking out players that spent hours finding loot but now the game will punish the players for using the weapons they found to defend themselves.

Yeah that's not how it is. You sit behind a wall and they come for you when a Guy shoots a infected inside the police station..  Even infected not in your sight find you. That's Just bs. And clearly a faulty Mechanic.

Edit; to be clear infected behind said wall find you, sitting there quietly

And i never said i was being a good boy. Dont bring irrelevant stuff that was never mentioned. 

Edited November 4, 2021 by McWendy

[William Sternritter 449]

17 hours ago, General Zod said:

So you want good boy points by being invisible to zeds because you're the good guy not engaging in killing players? They might not know that you were there when they hear the gunshot but they do see you once they arrive, and on top of that this will only serve to encourage fresh players melee attacking equipped survivors, not only they have noting to lose and everything to gain by knocking out players that spent hours finding loot but now the game will punish the players for using the weapons they found to defend themselves.

And other players are not attracted to gunshots? You go loud, you attract all sorts of attention, it only makes sense. Where are you even coming from with this line of thinking that players are punished for using guns? There are logical consequences to using loud guns. 

[Amp4hilyon 3]

is it only for me very anyoing when we must fight and even after a getting kill we are fallen to zombies ?
really its so retarded dat after shoots, and eventually fast run out of the space where we shot (sound effect) they still almost immadiatelly know where we are anyway, the same as Night times with pure darkness, they still can see and aggro from very far distance...

already im died in a like 3rd time in a row cuz of a second player, cuz every time i spot some1 (very far from the coast and after hours of play) and eventually survive and get the kill, the zombies aggros on me after the shoots which makes me like a BIG RED point to get a free kill by the second player (squad) every time when i engage, this is so horrible to die by the way, even if i kill the first guy, i still cant be sure if there are some1 alive cuz of the roaming zombie horde around and the faking fake foot-steps sound made by them, srsly...

really im hope the game let me to get tundra or even blaze and just kill/camp like a coward hidden in a woods from a far distance, instead of useless KA, M16, even VSD or other low-medium distance weapon, cuz in 90% of times i still die to the zombie alarm/second player no matter how good geared ill be cuz its only very risky while the game dont rewards for this close combat fights...no matter how strange this sounds...

Edited November 14, 2021 by Amp4hilyon

[DefectiveWater 539]

Is this a troll?

I agree the zombie AI isn't the best, but... maybe you shouldn't shoot when you know you can get swarmed by zeds.
Not blaming you, game HAS issues with zombie AI detective detection skills, but you should learn and adapt until they fix it.

[McWendy 675]

Go silenced.

Also the shuffling footsteps from the infected is logical. They're still humans not crouching Tiger hidden dragons. 

[Tonyeh 454]

Another zombies in zombie apocalypse game ruin pew pew thread.

[vfxtodd 125]

On 11/3/2021 at 6:48 AM, Tonyeh said:

Nothing vague about it at all. It's good that zombies "ruin" PVP.

In fact, I'd have them spawn in much greater numbers and be able to respond to gunshot at a much greater distance too. So if some popped off their little gun into some players back they'd be absolutely swamped by zombies.

Too many people's first instinct in this game is merely to start blasting at the first person they see. There should be penalties for that.

Yea, I agree that zombies should respond to gunfire. Unfortunately, the zombies are not behaving in a way that makes any sense. The last time the zombies "ruined" my PVP was because they came after me, INSTEAD of going after the guy SHOOTING at me. I watched a zombie run right by the guy shooting - literally two feet from him - and come at me. How does that make any sense?? You can't defend that BS. 

[Tonyeh 454]

12 hours ago, vfxtodd said:

Yea, I agree that zombies should respond to gunfire. Unfortunately, the zombies are not behaving in a way that makes any sense. The last time the zombies "ruined" my PVP was because they came after me, INSTEAD of going after the guy SHOOTING at me. I watched a zombie run right by the guy shooting - literally two feet from him - and come at me. How does that make any sense?? You can't defend that BS. 

They're stupid which makes for some unpredictability. They may get aggro'd by the shot, then get distracted by you, which can be annoying, but it's just part of the game and it kinda adds to things that zombies "don't make sense". They're aren't rational, thinking, beings. They're infected people that are prone to attack things and sometimes they can focus on the sound of a gunshot and sometimes they'll focus on the impact of the round...and sometimes they'll just see you and come at you and not give a shit about anything else.

Their pathfinding isn't very good, it never really has been. But, TBH, it's a million times better than it was 5 or 6 years ago.

[General Zod 1118]

I think zombies can be used as a weapon in PvP, I recently had to log out in barracks in zelono, don't like doing that, but didn't have time to move to a safer spot. Next time I logged in there was a fully geared guy shooting zeds through a window from the end of the corridor. So I opened the door to let the zeds in without him noticing, hid in the shower as they ran past me and when they distracted him I shot him, closed the door and killed the zeds. 

Edited November 15, 2021 by General Zod