Out of bounds item/vehicles cleanup [2012-07-06]

[Azrail (DayZ) 211]

If one would be referring to game mechanics than this off-map rule is virtual as it is possible (without manipulating the game) to go off-map.

you can' date=' but you shouldn't. call it a cheat, exploit, i don't care. you break a rule.

Nobody is preserving items form players in the 1st place. Just go out there and find them yourself, how about that? And isn't a "perma-death" game exactly the best reason to get your gear to the safest place possible.

if you hide your stuff off the map, its quite easy for you to remember the coordinates and find back there with gps. someone not knowing the coordinates won't really go through whole wilderness and check for tents. so following your philosophy, you can in fact put your tent in a real save spot.

perma-death means loosing your gear and start from scratch. if you can re-equip yourself right after spawn, perma-death has no point in the first place.

Development doesn't exactly happen by sticking to the rules.

Not sure what the rules for gameplay have to do with development now.

The game is in development, but we are playing it, so there still need to be rules to be followed, so things won't get out of hand.

I will leave you alone with that now.

[QuartzOne 7]

i think this game was made for having some fun crawling around alone or with a group of friends,killin zombies and exploring things,not for the damn chinese farmers(no offence) that stack their nv goggles into their cars in the middle of nowhere.

[cruc1al 0]

Vehicle Wipe ENGAGED!! All vehicles we had, *(NOT out of bounds)* Gone, oh well gives us a reason to go hunting for them again.

[hooumeri 3]

This is where barbed wire' date=' tanktraps, sandbags and the new beartraps will come in to play, use them wisely, if you do than it will be possible to guard a camp with only 1 or 2 persons, and leave it unattended at nights.[/quote']

My ass, if you have a toolbox and you're not a fucking mole you can easily detect all of these and scavenge the camp.

So where is the person watching me trough a scope with his finger on the trigger?

- - unattended at nights

I could just come back when it's dark if I found a camp during daytime.

Besides, let's be realistic here. Only really big groups might have the chance of having someone guard their shit most of the time, and even they're not immortal.

[Maderas 12]

This won't do much to stop hoarding unless the inactivity timer for out of bounds vehicles is really, really short. Otherwise they're just going to cycle through their fleet of Cadillacs once a day to stop them from despawning.

I'd say make them despawn if they're off the map for more than an hour or two, regardless of whether or not they're being used by players. There's absolutely no legitimate reason for players to take a vehicle out of bounds for that long.

[slimlacy 19]

Nice to see that people can't just nullify permadeath with dupe cityes outsite of the game boarders.

And to that annoing person who keeps saying that hacking and going off the boarder of the game isn't the same (to some degree he is right). Well, to use your own arguement, that YOU are just using an ingame mechanic.. Well a hack is most likely also just something that exploits an ingame mechanic and using code as it was not intended.

Your just using the playingfield as it was not intended, because the arma developers did not inv barrier the whole boarder, or go battlefield and wack you off when you got too far out of the game.

Look at CSS, they had those material wallhacks. But to your point, it was not hacks. It was simply new textures for walls, which ALLOT of people have, some liked high res standard textures, others wanted a more realistic look and others just wanted to be able to look through them, exploiting an ingame mechanic to get an unfair advantage and being a giant dick sure, but it wasn't REALLY a hack (by your standard). FYI, I was a server admin for css, I find hacking despicable, hence my knowledge to the hack.

And what is it with all this "IT WAS NOT IN THE RULES HUR DUR!"

This is not America (Sorry, America is a great country, but some really fucked up shit sometimes happens due to the way laws are constructed), you do not get a million for roasting your animals in microwaves, you get a ban! or atleast allot of hate. We are sensible people who should respect the work of others, not try to break it every way we can to "enjoy" it more...

[acebane 268]

When you guys get your cars/nvgs/awesome guns and want a safe place to store them, you'll understand off map locations were the best. With everything being moved to inside the map, you might as well not have a camp/base. Cast everything extra away and keep only what you need for THAT day.

Last I checked, survival also entailed "Hoarding"(BTW, STOP CALLING IT HOARDING. Jesus, it's not some condition of collecting random bullshiz. It's collecting more cars/weapons/items so your group can grow and become more established) things so your group is well off. It was one of the most interesting features to me to group up with a bunch of people and make a base together. Granted, yes you can do this INSIDE the border of the map too, but just prepare for it to be raided within 1-5 days. So in other words, don't make a base, don't have a long term objective, don't have any end game to Day Z. Instead just live in the moment and take that one gun and beans around and live as a scavenger for the rest of your days. Do not, I REPEAT, do not try to build a base.

To those who think I'm being over dramatic, you may be right, but with how people shoot on sight these days, they'll shit all over your camps just for the fun of it. You think hoarders were bad, just wait for "griefers" who will grab the supplies from your tent and throw it in a lake somewhere just to be a spiteful asscake.

Good bye camps, I'll miss you. To the less experienced players here who claim "OUTSIDE THE MAP IS BAD!! THANK GOD IT'S GONE", have fun being raided constantly while being within the map.

Good day, I say.

[Robert512 12]

I could just come back when it's dark if I found a camp during daytime.

Besides' date=' let's be realistic here. Only really big groups might have the chance of having someone guard their shit most of the time, and even they're not immortal.

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Nope, they are not.

Adapt to the new settings, smaller camps are easier to guard, store only stuff you really need, don't park your vehicles next to the tents and so on.

[dadecorban@aol.com 6]

Lol at all the haters who don't like people hiding shit outside the map.

People hide things outside the map (big inconvenience for the hider) because the game is alpha (broken mechanics) and there is no consistent system for protecting/hiding your shit on the map. You may have 10 people in your clan, and your ability to make sure your shit doesn't get jacked for the two hours you don't have anyone online is non-existent.

Stop being haters, and find a perspective that doesn't involve, "Where'z all de vehicles? : ( "

Game mechanics are what they are people do what they do to adjust to that.

(and I'm just refering to people randomly finding your shit in the woods, not the rampant vehicle/player ESP hacking, or multiple hacked helicopters I see on nearly every server that flying around looking for people's shit.

^.^

[slimlacy 19]

Good day' date=' I say.

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Good day sir

Well you are not suppost to have a base that is safe for weeks.

The smaller your group is, the easier it is to hide your stuff, the bigger the group, the easier it is to defend.

And as someone else said, having multiple tents placed at different spots REALLY helps to hide your stuff.

I am a lonewolf, I do not try to save vehicles. In reality in such a hostile world, I would probaly not have the power to defend stuff like that, so I steal them and then ride the shit out of them, then move on. (more then likely also going to pop the tires on them)

But I can easly hide a tent for days without them being stumpled upon, the less tents in the same spot, the less visible they are.

There is no good excuse for off map camps. Them being safe is an arguement for actually removing them.

If you do not have the time to defend them because of work, then you should consider having a smaller camp that does not need that much defending, or none at all.

The world is unforgiving, that is why it is so imersive in dayz

[Robert512 12]

Broken mechanics, indeed and they are now being repaired!

[tced 45]

great, I like the fine tuning, keep up the good work.

[WalkerDown (DayZ) 296]

@DEV: need clarifications. The h24 thing is just for the first time (now)' date=' so you have 24h to save your stuff or you'll loose it. But then the stuff off-map will be cleared "immediately" (or randomly) even if used once within 24h right? Otherwise i may just leave an alt account there and use it to move those vehicles once a day.

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really? people pay another 30 bucks to keep their ingame items save?

and i bet they cry twice as much when they ragequit.

I have a second copy, it's much less than 30 buks: you only need OA.

PS: clans pays MUCH more than 30 buks.. and each month, look at those renting multiple servers. They surely wouldn't be scared to pay $15 for another OA copy (or even $150 for ten of them... while some are doing already, using alternate accounts as "offline tents"). Do not understimate clans dedication (and money "wasting").

[Maderas 12]

When you guys get your cars/nvgs/awesome guns and want a safe place to store them' date=' you'll understand off map locations were the best. With everything being moved to inside the map, you might as well not have a camp/base. Cast everything extra away and keep only what you need for THAT day.

Last I checked, survival also entailed "Hoarding"(BTW, STOP CALLING IT HOARDING. Jesus, it's not some condition of collecting random bullshiz. It's collecting more cars/weapons/items so your group can grow and become more established) things so your group is well off. It was one of the most interesting features to me to group up with a bunch of people and make a base together. Granted, yes you can do this INSIDE the border of the map too, but just prepare for it to be raided within 1-5 days. So in other words, don't make a base, don't have a long term objective, don't have any end game to Day Z. Instead just live in the moment and take that one gun and beans around and live as a scavenger for the rest of your days. Do not, I REPEAT, do not try to build a base.

To those who think I'm being over dramatic, you may be right, but with how people shoot on sight these days, they'll shit all over your camps just for the fun of it. You think hoarders were bad, just wait for "griefers" who will grab the supplies from your tent and throw it in a lake somewhere just to be a spiteful asscake.

Good bye camps, I'll miss you. To the less experienced players here who claim "OUTSIDE THE MAP IS BAD!! THANK GOD IT'S GONE", have fun being raided constantly while being within the map.

Good day, I say.

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Outside the map is bad, hence why the DayZ staff is taking measures against it. Also allow me play the world's smallest violin for you now that you'll have to play the game the same way as everybody who wasn't lucky enough to find a vehicle before they were ferreted away into the debug plains by the hoarders. And yes, if you have more than six or seven vehicles out of the twenty or so that spawn you are fucking hoarding them. Nobody needs that many vehicles, I don't care how big your clan is. This isn't touching the fact that most the clans in Day Z right now are crooked as fuck and abuse admin restarts, dupes, and every other bullshit exploit under the sun to further expand their hoard of items. People who hid shit out in the wasteland should have seen this coming as they were obviously gaming the system in an unintended way.

We're in early alpha, I should hope Rocket has a more interesting end game in mind than playing The Sims: Duping Edition out in the debug plains to see how many night vision goggles you can stack up.

[herd 69]

WOW thanks!!! But it will be still hard to find the vehicles that are near the boundaries. But still better then nothing!

Could you please tell us if you are looking into fixing the disappearing bodies and the dead body sound ? Those are the most annoying and game breaking things. Especially the disappearing bodies with all their loot within seconds after the player dies. I dont want the ETA etc' date=' just say if you are consider it a problem and whether you thinking to fixing it some day ?

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The bodies that disappear after you think you kill them are just people that managed to alt+f4 before they died. That, in my opinion, is the most game breaking issue. I don't really care if I hear some flies or whatever, but the alt+f4 thing is so obnoxious.

No no no. I get the kill. I can see the body for some seconds. It could be even a minute then its disappear. I play with a friend and my and his dead bodies were disappearing too. A MAJOR issue

[LunaTiK (DayZ) 45]

You don't need to be an ESP hack to find the tents on the map. Ask the people on US153, We've destroyed just about every tent on the map. Combing the forests is simple. Tents are harder to hide than vehicles.

We've destroyed 200+ tents in the last few days on one single server. Finding tents deployed in forests is easier than finding one to deploy. You get a nice offroad vehicle and just drive around looking for them.

I could find all the tents on a server quicker than someone could find a single tent in an area 10km2 next to my house.

The only purpose tents serve on the map is to give free shit to people who don't deserve it.

[syncmaster (DayZ) 63]

So you can't make your stuff 100% safe and cheat death (as easily) anymore... Is this a complaint? Seriously? Not sure if this is real life.

I just got my first car and I can put everything in their besides a sidearm and an extra backpack, then sprint to the most popular areas with no worry at all about dieing. It completely changed (broke) the game for me. When death doesn't matter in DayZ, you are not playing Dayz anymore..

Funny that something you guys can't live without is something I'm probably going to give up (by choice) because its game breaking IMO. I don't even park my shit off the map BTW, so even with a much higher chance of my stuff being found, I still think they are stupid and against the whole idea of this game.

[Seitan (DayZ) 36]

We've destroyed 200+ tents in the last few days on one single server.

Why? What did the tents do to you? :rolleyes:

[Wintermute (DayZ) 0]

You don't need to be an ESP hack to find the tents on the map. Ask the people on US153' date=' We've destroyed just about every tent on the map. Combing the forests is simple. Tents are harder to hide than vehicles.

We've destroyed 200+ tents in the last few days on one single server. Finding tents deployed in forests is easier than finding one to deploy. You get a nice offroad vehicle and just drive around looking for them.

I could find all the tents on a server quicker than someone could find a single tent in an area 10km2 next to my house.

The only purpose tents serve on the map is to give free shit to people who don't deserve it.

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I'm getting an image in my head of a little tubby fat kid stomping on someones sand castle.

[acebane 268]

If you do not have the time to defend them because of work' date=' then you should consider having a smaller camp that does not need that much defending, or none at all.

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Yeah, I don't see how we could ever expect someone to guard the camps. "Hey buddy clanmate of mine, you're on guard duty for 4 hours, see you then!"

Think of The Walking Dead, when they all huddle up at their "Base" (The farm), they have someone on guard duty. Now sadly, I can't stay up all day and night due to RL obligations. I'm not going to recruit some European players just for guard duty neither. It's impractical to try to force someone who probably has a full time job to go on Guard duty immediately upon logging into Day Z. So I don't consider that even an option, neither should you(unless you got 100+ players clan who are super active who are on throughout the whole day).

So when there's a big group of people, what you recommend is not making a big camp but instead a bunch of spread out ones all over the place, eh? Whoever the leader is gonna have a headache and a half helping everyone find the camps. Now what you said is true, it's easier to defend smaller camps, but then my point still stands: Better to not have a camp at all. All you need is can be found and kept on your person at all times. Why bother saving anything at all? You going to put your one pair of NVGs in a camping tent that is easily found by a strolling noob who's lost? Power to you, but I'll just keep it on me.

Outside the map is bad. Let me play the world's smallest violin for you now that you'll have to play the game the same way as everybody who wasn't lucky enough to find a vehicle before they were fretted away into the debug plains by the hoarders. And yes' date=' if you have more than six or seven vehicles out of the twenty or so that spawn you are fucking hoarding them. Nobody needs that many vehicles, I don't care how big your clan is. This isn't touching the fact that most the clans in Day Z right now are crooked as fuck and abuse admin restarts, dupes, and every other bullshit exploit under the sun to further expand their hoard of items. People who hid shit out in the wasteland should have seen this coming as they were obviously gaming the system in an unintended way.

We're in early alpha, I should hope Rocket has a more interesting end game in mind than playing The Sims: Duping Edition out in the debug plains to see how many night vision goggles you can stack up.

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You'd be surprised how many vehicles can be used by even small clans. All it takes is one "Oppsy" and that vehicle is gone. Not to mention, not all of us are super cool admins who can restart whenever we want. Which reminds me, I'll be hoarding ALL DAY LONG. Because, it's survival of the fittest. If me and my clan sit there, busting our arses all day long finding vehicles (like I did today with my clan, actually), I'm sorry you snoozed on it but this is an apocalypse scenario, bucko. I'm trying to better my group's chances of survival and give them nice luxuries such as vehicles. I obviously don't care about the well being of the general public in such a scenario (I will however try to improve people's Day Z experiences from time to time by doing little generous acts/nice things).

You say "everyone who wasn't lucky enough to find a vehicle".... Ok? What the hell does that even mean? That luck just happened to smile upon me 5 times while luck said "FACK U N00B" to everybody else? Nope, my clan and I just go around looking for vehicles and we find them. We're suppose to SHARE OUR GOODS with the general public who tends to shoot us on sight anyways? Yeah, no thanks, I'm not sharing.

But I digress. If you got "BAD LUCK" and never get vehicles, try harder and overcome the odds. Everyone is equal and can just as easily find cars as the next guy. The only limitation that's keeping you from finding things, is yourself (if you want to argue "BUT DOZ CLANZ BE HOARDING DEM B4 I HAV CHANCE", well go search for the camp full of cars and presto, you got a vehicle). With putting everything inside the map (which increases the risk of being raided by like 10 times), there's really no incentive to even make a camp. To all of you who believe there's still hope for camps, power to you. Hope your camp is safe for months, but don't hold your breath.

End game? Well, I hope there's something the dev team has planned. I thought building a fortress/base was one of the most appealing features of Day Z's end game. Time will tell, I suppose.

[Wintermute (DayZ) 0]

Just made hiding choppers impossible.

There are only like, 2 per server. You shouldn't be able to hide them effectively.

[Disgraced 1123]

The tears of the hoarders. They are delicious.

This must be one of the best changes to come around in a while. It has pissed off the clans.

[syncmaster (DayZ) 63]

When you guys get your cars/nvgs/awesome guns and want a safe place to store them' date=' you'll understand off map locations were the best.[/quote']

Whatever game you are playing sounds incredibly boring. Run around going to the most popular spots on the map without a care in the world. Never caring if you die, because oh well, you respawn and grab your gear from camp and start over. Sounds like a death match with a really long, boring spawn timer.

You should try playing DayZ, its a fun game.

[Maderas 12]

You say "everyone who wasn't lucky enough to find a vehicle".... Ok? What the hell does that even mean? That luck just happened to smile upon me 5 times while luck said "FACK U N00B" to everybody else? Nope' date=' my clan and I just go around looking for vehicles and we find them. We're suppose to SHARE OUR GOODS with the general public who tends to shoot us on sight anyways? Yeah, no thanks, I'm not sharing. [/quote']

Nobody's asking you to share them. You're bitching about the fact you can't hide them miles away from the playfield, thus denying those who don't already have vehicles the opportunity to find your camp and steal yours from you. Meanwhile you're preaching that everybody else should "try harder" and "overcome the odds". That's hypocrisy. Maybe you should try to hide your shit better within the intended play area.

(if you want to argue "BUT DOZ CLANZ BE HOARDING DEM B4 I HAV CHANCE"' date=' well go search for the camp full of cars and presto, you got a vehicle).[/quote']

They don't respawn if they're being hoarded out in the wasteland, obviously, and most clans swarm all the vehicle spawn points like locusts every time a server restarts... so yeah, it's not quite so easy for the average player to acquire them. As to your second point, check what I said above. People who don't already have a vehicle aren't going to spend 45 minutes running into the debug plains just so they can be shot in the head by a sniper rifle from 20 miles away if one of your clan mates happens to be online when they stumble across your camp surrounded by leagues of desolate nothingness.

I do have vehicles. Three of them, in fact. And I hide them within the borders of the map because I'm not a cheesedick. I have no doubt they'll be found and stolen eventually, but the odds of me acquiring another one will be high because people like you won't be allowed to hide them out in the barrens anymore.

[acebane 268]

So you can't make your stuff 100% safe and cheat death (as easily) anymore... Is this a complaint? Seriously? Not sure if this is real life.

Now you raise a valid point' date=' but you do realize that nothing is ever 100% safe, right? You can easily see a car driving off the map and follow it. You can just patrol the outside of the map with a bicycle (which we've done before) and find some "EPIC HAXXOR CAMP OFF MAP".

In any case, you're right - when you have a safety blanket knowing you have gear for when you respawn, you tend not to get so worked up over a death but it seems that's what the game has evolved to. Don't get me wrong, even if I know I got a nice gun waiting for me at a camp, I still am scared to die.

I suppose me and my clan will have to figure out what to do from this point on. But when you

and have obtained the best weapons several times, it's hard figuring out what to do next. Go around and kill people? Why should I log on? So I can eat some beans/drink soda? Try to be friendly and be shot? To easily evade/outsmart/kill zombies? To just play a game together with my clan? I'm not sure what my incentive is, but Day Z's hardcore PVP and openness will keep me playing for a bit. I look forward to future updates for sure.

I suppose the whole camp ordeal just gave bigger groups something to focus on working towards. Without a camp, we walk around aimlessly just looking for action it seems(We've done it considering NY22 went down for 4+ days and this will for sure wipe everything we had before it comes back up). What will you guys do with this new change(those who did have their camps outside the map), will you make a new one in the map or just become wandering nomads?