Basebuilding still a cruel joke

[VodkaFish 38]

My base is being raided as I type this..  I am in a 5 story apartment building and they've already made it past my barbed wire death trap to the roof.  I had a locked watchtower up there as well.  I know they took out some interior doors in addition to the ones that had to be taken out.  It takes a minimum of 5 gates to get to my barrels.  I believe its two of them and they've done it with the utmost ease.  It took me weeks to cover all the appropriate windows, doors, stairwell.  What I build in weeks took them less than an hour to demolish.

I built this base as an experiment to see how well it would hold up.   My base, and you, have failed.  Burying items is also not a secure method of storage.

There has to be some means of 'secure storage' in this game.  It should take HOURS to break into a large base that is well built.

Please fix this problem. 

[Exxoduss 61]

Im sorry to hear that.. I know the feeling gnawing inside, the anger, mixed with other emotions... "Why cant these lazy P****'s find there own loot like a man?!, Its no wonder this world is in the shape it is in!"  But in reality...  I could goto your house in real life and it would take me less then 20 minutes to use a sawz-all and physicaly cut a hole in the exterior wall of your house and gain enterance- I dont care what alarm system you have around the windows and doors. if a dog charges me it to would be cut in half. and if I felt extra awnry, I could cut the nails holding the tie.ins to your walls at corners and junctions, drop your sheetrock from your ceiling to expose the trusses and cut the truss tie ins to your exteroir wall, sweep along the bottom of the wall where the studs are nailed into the bottom plate and drop your entire exterior wall in less then an hour. something that would take up to a year to build, GONE in less then a few hours.

HAHAHA- You would come home from work to see the whole front side of your house laying flat on the ground, the roof sagging and drooping would become your new front porch.

And the sad thing is- your neighbors would think you hired me to do this

Edited December 18, 2020 by Exxoduss

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

Barrels in rivers. 

You're welcome 😄

[VodkaFish 38]

In reality I don't live in 5 story re-enforced building.

If I were rich I'd live in a bunker, have a panic room, and bank vault installed.  I have a friend who purchased a bank vault for his house for his gun collection.  Speaking of bank vaults where are they?  They could be disassembled and taken back to your base where they could be installed.

It is a game.   A game where the developers need to put more effort into the base building features.  It requires too much effort to build a base that is too easy to destroy.  One of the reasons it requires so much effort is the walls/gates are not scalable to your needs and can not be upgraded.  You should be able to fortify walls/gates many times over.  You should be able to choose what side of your gate has the lock/wire.

How hard is it to take a bag of lime and mix it with sand and water?  I'd build with concrete.   But that opens up a new bag of worms doesn't it?   People would actually have a reason to make lime.

Game developers allow us to rebuild cars which obviously suggests we have the ability to work with metals.   Now we are talking steel bars, steel doors, steel hatches, etc.  I could go to one of those abandoned ships and get everything I needed.   Where is the welding equipment in this game?

You have a working car, suggest having working helicopters (which I think is ridiculous) but no welding equipment?  How were you going to check the frame of that helicopter for stress?  hrm, that requires high tech equipment and skill. 

What is going to power our helicopter, ethanol? bio diesel?  HAHAHA!!   Helicopters are not exactly fuel efficient, better get busy making refineries.  I'm sure the game will have all that too.   Just can't build with metal, rock, adobe, concrete, etc. You can't make a secure base.

[VodkaFish 38]

14 minutes ago, DayzDayzFanboy said:

Barrels in rivers. 

You're welcome 😄

That's gambling, not security.  

[Exxoduss 61]

I was playing on a modded server one day that has concrete you can pour to form walls....  I forget the name of the modd but it looked pretty cool. about the helicopters, yeah that presents an interesting challenge. and a "Secure room" or "Fallout shelter" there called are good as long as they are vented. if the vents get clogged or blocked you had best have a way to unblock them. But yeah you would need more then a few grenades to bust into one of those I would imagine, I think even a asedaline torch would have a very difficult time doing that. those are manufactured about the same fasion as your helicopter though, good luck in installing one where you want your base, but then again- there is always these aircraft hangers at northwest airfield and tissy I believe that may offer the protection of simular fasion. If I aint mistaken breaking in a locked door (without lockpicks) is dependent on the make of the door itself, that might prove to be of help, all in all- Like I said before, Bases are not ment to be loot storage containers, bases (IMHO) are quick locations to perform various operations in a given area... If you really need to secure your loot, bury it in graves in a crate in a grave yard.

[Exxoduss 61]

I do agree with one thing though- they need to implement a way to set traps that are persistent for as long as a persistent container and that will mortaly wound a player (cheater or not) if they attempt to break in at the traps location, especialy if DayZ is gonna move in the direction of these "bases" to be the players home.

 

Also brings me back to another point!  A 740 Sq KM map expansion would make hiding your "home" alot easier and more feasable. they could still funnel newspawns or bambis on the coast for player interaction but the farthur you get away the harder it should be to locate a player base.

Edited December 18, 2020 by Exxoduss

[Exxoduss 61]

Especially if they are still gonna add helicopters

[VodkaFish 38]

Let's talk realism:

Fuel:

Hind Mi-24,24,35 carry 1840 liters of fuel internally, 1227 liters in an aux tank in the cabin, and external tanks are 500 liters each.  

4,067 liters with two external tanks consumed at 350-360l an hour provides 11.3 hours of use.  That's 20 55gallon drums of aviation fuel.

 

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Helicopter maintenance:

https://www.helis.com/howflies/overhaul.php

'Most phased maintenance programs have a minor inspection due every twenty-five flight hours and a major inspection every 150.'

They have parts replacement listed, in many cases, by hours of use.  This schedule does not address helicopters being shot at by survivors.  Small arms fire has proven very effective against helicopters.

Where are we sourcing the replacement parts?  the supermarket?

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IN PEACETIME, WITH TEAMS OF PROFESSIONALS, AND THE BEST EQUIPMENT & PARTS AVAILABLE:

'During the last decade there were about 1.44 fatalities per 100,000 flight hours of non-military helicopters. If we compare that to automobiles, based on driving hours, helicopters are about 85 times less safe than cars, based on their fatality rate of about 0.017. If we take into account how much further helicopters travel per hour compared to cars, helicopters are about 27 times less safe than autos.

There are many factors affecting helicopter fatality statistics. Personal helicopters, which are included in the statistics, are often operated by less experienced pilots who crash about eighteen times more often than professional pilots. Many personal helicopters are not as well maintained as those used for commercial flights. They crash at least fives times more often. '

https://www.travelersunited.org/can-helicopter-flight-seeing-tours-safe/

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'rotating the wing raises a host of design and operational challenges and complexities, including issues related to vibrations and wear-out of a variety of components on the helicopter. The consequence of this is that maintenance and inspection are particularly crucial for helicopters for their continued airworthiness.'

'Helicopters have a poor safety track record and little progress has been recorded in the last decade'

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0211424

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Metal fatigue

https://www.aviation.govt.nz/assets/aircraft/2017-design-delegation-seminar/fatigue-damage-tolerance-in-airframe-structures.pdf

 

Edited December 19, 2020 by VodkaFish

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

11 hours ago, VodkaFish said:

That's gambling, not security.  

I've never had a barrel stash found. Ever. They are virtually impossible to find unless you know exactly where to stand. Buried loot is too easily spotted. But you could be stood virtually next to my barrels and not find it. Bases can be spotted a long way off. And if someone spots it, they'll want in and it doesn't matter how well built it is, they'll get in eventually. Especially a squad. 

I can hide barrels on the costal hotspots and they won't be found. 

Edited December 19, 2020 by DayzDayzFanboy

[Exxoduss 61]

How?

I know a sneaky spot somepoeple use is up on those dock cranes

Edited December 19, 2020 by Exxoduss

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

2 minutes ago, Exxoduss said:

There is a way to hide buried loot though. I just dont know if I should say it...

Yeah I know, but I prefer barrels in water purely so I don't have to carry a shovel. 

[Exxoduss 61]

barrels hold more too.  I have to admit- I am becoming more and more fond of the stick improvised shelter. It hides pretty well.

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

35 minutes ago, Exxoduss said:

How?

I know a sneaky spot somepoeple use is up on those dock cranes

Just in water. Very hard to spot unless you're stood in front of it and even then you'd have to be actively looking for it to spot it. 

[VodkaFish 38]

and you can't see it when the screen loads in?  if I make a mess on the ground around me, near a river, to give me some time.. log out.. do some stuff.   come back then let it slow load in.. I'm not going to see it?

[Exxoduss 61]

3 hours ago, VodkaFish said:

and you can't see it when the screen loads in?  if I make a mess on the ground around me, near a river, to give me some time.. log out.. do some stuff.   come back then let it slow load in.. I'm not going to see it?

Can you see buried loot this way?

[VodkaFish 38]

32 minutes ago, Exxoduss said:

Can you see buried loot this way?

I have not tested it yet. You can definitely see through trees and buildings. If you are up high in a city you see a lot of things.  It is my understanding a head lamp will allow you to find buried treasure.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2020 by VodkaFish

[Pyongo Bongo 240]

As someone who never builds bases, and only occasionally tries to raid bases, I have the exact opposite opinion.

Wooden gates are a pain to get throught. I don't even bother most of the time, because i know if I shoot hundreds of rounds into the gate, there is a high chance that the loot inside will either be worse than what I already have, or that there will be another gate, that I won't have the resources to break.

The fastest base raids (If i don't run out of ammo/explosives halfway through), end up taking at least an hour (with 1 or two people).

I recommend you build metal gates, those are way tougher than wooden ones and nearly indestructible. My friends climbed into the back-window of a base, and we tried to shoot our way out  with the 1000+ rounds we found inside. We didn't even break one of the two metal gates.

Another time we threw 6 grenades at one of those gates. It was worn afterwards.

I think the people raiding you, could either climb over some of your gates and disassemble them from the inside quickly, or they had an unusual amount of ammo and grenades stashed somewhere that they use for base raiding.

-Tip: If bases were tougher, you'd have to bring an even ungodlier amount of grenades, ammo, weapon cleaning kits and tools to raid them. I doubt anyone would be willing to do that. Bases would be too safe in my opinion, and in most cases they are already not worth to raid.

I recommend you build a few metal gates after eachother that you can't in any way climb over, distanced from eachother so that the blast radius from a grenade can't destroy more than one at a time. Also exclusively use 4-digit locks, 3-digit only have a 1000 possible passnumbers which can be found out after around 15 minutes. Raiders would have to bring a whole truckload of ammo/grenades to get in. There are also servers with custom mods and settings that make bases tougher to raid or indestructible.

Edited December 20, 2020 by Pyongo Bongo

[VodkaFish 38]

28 minutes ago, Pyongo Bongo said:

 

I think the people raiding you, could either climb over some of your gates and disassemble them from the inside quickly, or they had an unusual amount of ammo and grenades stashed somewhere that they use for base raiding.

 

I was in my base when they started raiding.  I don't know how he killed me with the angle he had, I could not see him to shoot him, but ok.   They hit the first gate with some sort of explosive.   They used tools on the rest.

I have broken into bases, it takes me about 15 minutes to get past 1 wood gate with tools.

The last base I broke into (yesterday) I jumped over the walls.  The guy did not do a good job of picking a location / placing the walls.

I only use 4 digit locks.

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

I think bases are harder to breach than they would be in real life. If two people are present, you could easily just give a leg up and climb the wall. Given the right tools such as a crow bar or sledge hammer, a wooden fence or gate would be easy to breach. Combination locks can be cut with a hacksaw. So I think in all honesty, the game makes it realistically difficult. 

You can also shoot through fences, so I guess that may be what happened? Like I say, better to hide loot than build a big fort around it to  attract attention. 

[amadieus 316]

2 hours ago, Pyongo Bongo said:

As someone who never builds bases, and only occasionally tries to raid bases, I have the exact opposite opinion.

Back in 1.09 I had a base that got raided two times in five days. A few walls were destroyed, so they didn't climb it or anything. Not sure what tools they used, I think guns or melee, but if base raiding is difficult and time consuming it surely wouldn't be raided twice in five days.

[DayzDayzFanboy 1280]

2 hours ago, amadieus said:

Back in 1.09 I had a base that got raided two times in five days. A few walls were destroyed, so they didn't climb it or anything. Not sure what tools they used, I think guns or melee, but if base raiding is difficult and time consuming it surely wouldn't be raided twice in five days.

You can get into a base in half an hour with the right tools. Most people I think just don't bother because they haven't got inventory space to carry all the tools and even if you do get in, most of the time there is nothing worth stealing because anyone with any common sense will hide their decent loot somewhere else. 

[Exxoduss 61]

I wonder what it would be like if Infected could bash down walls and doors, gates and climb through windows

I personaly would build or dig an underground shelter. but I understand the programing implications of such freedoms

[VodkaFish 38]

15 hours ago, DayzDayzFanboy said:

You can get into a base in half an hour with the right tools. Most people I think just don't bother because they haven't got inventory space to carry all the tools and even if you do get in, most of the time there is nothing worth stealing because anyone with any common sense will hide their decent loot somewhere else. 

Common sense has forced me to accept the fact this is a broken game with no supervision.

I am now willing to achieve results through any means available.  My items are safe.

Players can message me with any tips/exploits they are willing to share.

Thanks.

Edited December 21, 2020 by VodkaFish

[VodkaFish 38]

20 hours ago, DayzDayzFanboy said:

I think bases are harder to breach than they would be in real life.

Because they only allow us to make straight garbage that is difficult to place and looks more suitable as fencing for your dog.

It would be nice if we had an area where we could build some sort of structure that provided safe storage for a limited a amount of items.  Say 1000 units.   You could vary the amount of items protected according to the resources used to create the storage area.  Limit 1 per game copy.

 

Edited December 21, 2020 by VodkaFish