Cannot use an improvised suppressor with a mosin compensator

[trev186 389]

Now I know the improvised suppressor does not even silence the mosin. ..but

you cannot put an improvised suppressor on over a compensator which seems silly.

This probably relates to how you cannot do the bayonet and compensator together but that makes sense.

I am positive I can duck tape a water bottle to the end of a mosin regardless if it has a compensator or not.

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

Wouldn't duck taping it to the compensator make the compensator a moot point anyway?  That and it'd probably get blasted off after the first couple of shots anyway since it's not supported by the barrel itself.

EDIT also the suppressor wouldn't work at all with a compensator.

Edited March 3, 2015 by BigMike

[trev186 389]

Wouldn't duck taping it to the compensator make the compensator a moot point anyway? That and it'd probably get blasted off after the first couple of shots anyway since it's not supported by the barrel itself.

Duck tape it over the barrel with the compensator further in.

It does not have to be taped to the compensator.

Your just sticking a bottle on the end of the gun.

As for how it affects the compensator I am not sure in real life since in dayz the compensator gives a very unrealistic increase in accuracy vs what one should do.

I am sure I could tape a water bottle to the end of a gun with or without a compensator though.

Edited March 3, 2015 by trev186

[jubeidok 495]

Now I know the improvised suppressor does not even silence the mosin. ..but

 

 

Does it suppress the muzzle flash though? I haven't tried on the Mosin yet, just the SKS, but I don't know the answer to this either way because no one plays in these pathetically bright nights.

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

Duck tape it over the barrel with the compensator further in.

It does not have to be taped to the compensator.

Your just sticking a bottle on the end of the gun.

As for how it affects the compensator I am not sure in real life since in dayz the compensator gives a very unrealistic increase in accuracy vs what one should do.

I am sure I could tape a water bottle to the end of a gun with or without a compensator though.

That's not how a compensator works.  You can't just 'move it down' the barrel.  It's made to go at the very end of the barrel, and actually hang off slightly, and it vents the exhaust gasses in such a way that it helps 'compensate' for recoil (thus the name).  The same reason you can't use the Mosin bayonet at the same time is because there's no room for it to attach on to.

A suppressor goes at the end of the barrel and allows the gasses to expand and cool so there isn't a loud 'bang' when it exits the barrel/suppressor.  If you have a compensator on the gases exit the gun before they go into the suppressor and you get that loud bang anyway, if you have the suppressor covering the compensator won't work anyway.  I would imagine even if you had a purpose built suppressor and tried to put a compensator on the end of that it wouldn't work very well (if at all).

 

THAT is why you can't have a compensator and suppressor at the same time.  They counter each other out.

[trev186 389]

That's not how a compensator works.  You can't just 'move it down' the barrel.  It's made to go at the very end of the barrel, and actually hang off slightly, and it vents the exhaust gasses in such a way that it helps 'compensate' for recoil (thus the name).  The same reason you can't use the Mosin bayonet at the same time is because there's no room for it to attach on to.

A suppressor goes at the end of the barrel and allows the gasses to expand and cool so there isn't a loud 'bang' when it exits the barrel/suppressor.  If you have a compensator on the gases exit the gun before they go into the suppressor and you get that loud bang anyway, if you have the suppressor covering the compensator won't work anyway.  I would imagine even if you had a purpose built suppressor and tried to put a compensator on the end of that it wouldn't work very well (if at all).

 

THAT is why you can't have a compensator and suppressor at the same time.  They counter each other out.

Not moving a compensator

Talking about the suppressor.... I know u can't move the compensator

But a water bottle has space.. Currently the water bottle protruded most the way off the tip.. Just tape it on an inch or two lower below the suppressor

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

Are you that dense?  What would be the point?  If you have the compensator IN the suppressor it WONT WORK AS INTENDED!  And that's assuming that you could fit the compensator into the bottle.

[trev186 389]

Are you that dense?  What would be the point?  If you have the compensator IN the suppressor it WONT WORK AS INTENDED!  And that's assuming that you could fit the compensator into the bottle.

 

honestly have not had to use suppressors or compensators in my hunting growing up so I guess I am.

 

not exactly gun attachments we used to hunt deer or birds. I can tell you a lot about shotgun chokes....

 

Even if it does not make sense to do it....you still could jam that water bottle over the compensator model of the mosin in game...it is no wider than the actual barrel.

Edited March 3, 2015 by trev186

[IkaikaKekai 1957]

YES IT IS WIDER THAN THE BARREL!  How do you think it fits OVER the barrel?!

*facepalm*

Okay...let me try something else.

You have a dog.  You replace the dog's natual teeth with titanium ones so he can bite intruders harder.  You keep the dog muzzled at all times so he doesn't bite anyone.

The dog is a mosin, the titanum teeth is the compensator, the muzzle is a suppressor.  You just wasted around $800 per tooth for something that's not gonna be used.

[q.S Sachiel 470]

A suppressor acts in a similar way to a compensator, as BigMike said. 

 

The two do basically the same thing, only a suppressor will capture a greater amount of the gas/prevent a violent escape meaning it should actually lend to greater control than the compensator.  This does however mean that your damage should decrease due to the force being restrained, but I'm not sure if DayZ applies this at the moment.  I know Arma3 does for sure. 

Just sayan.

 

A shotgun choke modifies the spread/pattern of the shot, it doesn't have a substantial effect on power or gas release.  It's more a physical barrier than a pressure regulator.

 

http://www.briley.com/understandingshotgunchokesabriefexplanationbybriley.aspx Choke: edit- site prevents linking, google choke: first hit.

Suppressor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_brake                                                                 Muzzle Break/Compensator

 

breaks are more intended to alter / reduce the muzzle flare (flame out of barrel) once fired, but again: by dispersing the gas pressure escaping from the barrel, you are reducing the force that propels the round.

 

To give you an example:

Consider a steep hill with a river flowing down it. A large rain event occurs causing the river to swell, move rapidly, and entrain sediment into it as it travels towards the distributary.

While moving, the sediment in suspension is moving about the same speed as the water: very fast.  Now the river is slamming into the open body of water that receives river.  The volume of the open water is massive compared to the confined volume of river water.  Once that river hits the ocean/whatever all that fast moving sediment will fall out of suspension and get dumped almost immediately into the basin of the open body of water. 

 

All that energy is being dispersed rapidly in all directions, where before it was being concentrated in one direction, so the force must decrease in the direction it was traveling slowing the particles. (reduce energy = reduce heat + sound + light etc..)

 

This is analogous to the gas escaping the barrel carrying a round or shot.

Edited March 4, 2015 by q.S Sachiel

[sneakydudes 278]

Now I know the improvised suppressor does not even silence the mosin. ..but

you cannot put an improvised suppressor on over a compensator which seems silly.

This probably relates to how you cannot do the bayonet and compensator together but that makes sense.

I am positive I can duck tape a water bottle to the end of a mosin regardless if it has a compensator or not.

works fine for me. take the ends off and it will fit on, but it does silence it a tad then seems the same. I am thinking the end bullet sounds quiet. I have not tested it that far as the thing looks on the end of the gun like a giant watermelon.

 

I don't like it, when running it looks like your carrying a flag.

[trev186 389]

works fine for me. take the ends off and it will fit on, but it does silence it a tad then seems the same. I am thinking the end bullet sounds quiet. I have not tested it that far as the thing looks on the end of the gun like a giant watermelon.

 

I don't like it, when running it looks like your carrying a flag.

It is a mosin condom wear it proudly

[gibonez 3633]

The compensator should get removed anyway.

[trev186 389]

The compensator should get removed anyway.

All hail gibonez hater of all weapon attatchments.

;)

[gibonez 3633]

All hail gibonez hater of all weapon attatchments.

;)

Only silly ones that make no sense.

[Nihilum 209]

OP wants to strap an improvised supressor on the end of a compensator?

Dear OP: Compensator

A suppressor acts in a similar way to a compensator, as BigMike said. 

 

 

Not. At. All. At least not in any concise sense.

Compensators direct gas to... compensate... for recoil in the designated direction allowing the shooter to feel less perceived muzzle climb.

Suppressors trap and nullify escaping gasses in a series of baffles that kills the sound of the expanding gas from a round but don't effect muzzle climb.


One is directing the gas; one is nullifying it. The only thing similar is that they are both devices that focus function around residual gas from the barrel.

Neither one effects the actual super sonic crack of the round itself... which is why subsonic ammo exists... Oh how I wish this game had subsonic rounds.


 

Edited March 3, 2015 by Nihilum

[Munson_fry (DayZ) 312]

after thinking quite a while over the topic there can only be one reason for the op to attach the supressor OVER the compensator....

 

he runs full ghillie and has no slot free in his ttsko pants! 

[blacklabel79 949]

call me silly but....i tried the impro on a mosin and it had no effect at all... -_-

[jacksparrows 31]

Even if the improvised suppressor would fit over the compensator, one shot and the compensator and how it functions would explode the water bottle right off the end of the gun making it useless and a stupid idea to even try in the first place.

[Whyherro123 2283]

Does the compensator have slots that direct the gases from the muzzle in a specific direction? If so, attaching a suppressor on the end of the compensator will do fuck-all, won't it? There is still the "gap" where gases can escape...

[jacksparrows 31]

Does the compensator have slots that direct the gases from the muzzle in a specific direction? If so, attaching a suppressor on the end of the compensator will do fuck-all, won't it? There is still the "gap" where gases can escape...

 

If the in-game compensator is anything like real world compensators for the Mosin, there are reliefs that would act much like a muzzle brake, as they are very similar devices, and would obliterate the "improvised suppressor".

 

A compensator will redirect expelled gases upward in relation to the barrel in order to help reduce muzzle flip. 

Edited March 3, 2015 by JacksSparrow

[gibonez 3633]

Even if the improvised suppressor would fit over the compensator, one shot and the compensator and how it functions would explode the water bottle right off the end of the gun making it useless and a stupid idea to even try in the first place.

 

to be fair.

 

One shot from any of the guns would explode the water bottle and thus no longer make the bottle suppress the sounds of the weapon.

 

Not entirely sure why the bottle is able to muffle multiple shots currently.

[sneakydudes 278]

to be fair.

 

One shot from any of the guns would explode the water bottle and thus no longer make the bottle suppress the sounds of the weapon.

 

Not entirely sure why the bottle is able to muffle multiple shots currently.

Its not on my end, but we should really test that out on the other end. Heck have the time you cant always hear the shots anyways.

[jacksparrows 31]

to be fair.

 

One shot from any of the guns would explode the water bottle and thus no longer make the bottle suppress the sounds of the weapon.

 

Not entirely sure why the bottle is able to muffle multiple shots currently.

 

To be fair, I absolutely agree with you. I am simply giving the game the benefit of the doubt, being a game...and mixing some real world truth in too.  You know, for the sake of discussion.  :)

[Belphegor (DayZ) 25]

well.. i just tested the plausability of this improvised supressor by winding a plastic bottle with tape and taping it to the end of a .22 rifle IRL

 

the bottle violently flew off the end of the rifle. the bullet hit the target, yet on the bottle the hole massive gap was located on the side of the bottle (the cylindrical part). i also got a mean amount of smoke and residue in my face that came from the chamber area

 

not doing that again

 

edit: it was loud

Edited March 3, 2015 by Belphegor