Death by Overheating.

[Sir Oliver 1]

Well today I spent a good amount of time gearing up and decided to build a ghillie suit. To my dismay I died from overheating when not even moving. I think the heat values of the full ghillie suit needs to be adjusted. The only way to play as a ghillie now is to spend most of your time swimming.  I had the ghillie suit for a good 3 minutes until my character fell over and died lol. My friend saw this and we had a good laugh until the server restarted and I lost everything. Currently its hard to test something that kills you so fast.

[sneakydudes 278]

I agree the ghillie suit is way to hot. I suggest a slight temp decrease. I do vote yes to the changes.

 

Not saying to cool it down totally but make it just a tad cooler please.

 

Sneaks

[Whyherro123 2283]

Well today I spent a good amount of time gearing up and decided to build a ghillie suit. To my dismay I died from overheating when not even moving. I think the heat values of the full ghillie suit needs to be adjusted. The only way to play as a ghillie now is to spend most of your time swimming.  I had the ghillie suit for a good 3 minutes until my character fell over and died lol. My friend saw this and we had a good laugh until the server restarted and I lost everything. Currently its hard to test something that kills you so fast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghillie_suit

 

Considering how the "temperature inside the suit can reach over 120 degrees F"......don't run around with it? Don't move when not necessary? Drink until you are "light green hydrated" AND stuffed?

 

I don't know, I don't wear an-essentially-next-to-useless, heavy-as-shit piece of clothing (that takes a lot of material to make) in a survival game.

[Wookieenoob 191]

solution is to just use the hat or bushrag. you're fine then. 

[zeotrope 76]

Just wearing a pristine rain coat makes you overheat. And it's true that this would be the case in real life when you wear something that cannot 'breathe' so to speak.

 

But overheating in a Ghillie suit while stationary seems odd. Were you moving much prior to resting / dying? Were you already over the threshold overheating ? 

[nettles 396]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghillie_suit

 

Considering how the "temperature inside the suit can reach over 120 degrees F"......don't run around with it? Don't move when not necessary? Drink until you are "light green hydrated" AND stuffed?

 

I don't know, I don't wear an-essentially-next-to-useless, heavy-as-shit piece of clothing (that takes a lot of material to make) in a survival game.

 

Yeah this.  There's really no point to this piece of clothing unless you're planning to just be a dick to people. So please do proceed to suffocate and die inside your meticulously-crafted bushrag.

[Wookieenoob 191]

Yeah this.  There's really no point to this piece of clothing unless you're planning to just be a dick to people. So please do proceed to suffocate and die inside your meticulously-crafted bushrag.

 

actually bushrag is pretty much impossible to overheat in. he's talking about the full suit. bushrag just looks like you're wearing a ghillie bearskin

[Whyherro123 2283]

Just wearing a pristine rain coat makes you overheat. And it's true that this would be the case in real life when you wear something that cannot 'breathe' so to speak.

 

But overheating in a Ghillie suit while stationary seems odd. Were you moving much prior to resting / dying? Were you already over the threshold overheating ? 

Read the Wikipedia page I liked to.

 

The part about "reaching over 120 degrees F" doesn't say anything about  "but only when moving".

 

Think about it: a Ghille suit is little more than MULTIPLE layers of heavy burlap, all of which is heavy (makes you exert more just to move it) , absorbent (absorbs the sweat you give off), and insulating (holds in the body heat you give off).

 

Ghillie suits are, frankly, stupid. Do they camouflage you effectively? Of course, but not necessarily any more than you can get when wearing the appropriate-color hoodie-and-cargo-pants-combo and using clever and effective concealment and positioning.

[zeotrope 76]

If you dress like a bush you are a bush. Better than cargo pants and green t-shirt etc.

Regardless. There is a fundamental prob with draw distance and ghillies at the moment. They need to fix (if required) more than just heat. And point taken re: insulating properties of burlap etc.

 

:)

[gibonez 3633]

What do you expect ghillie suits are insanely hot.

[Bororm 1156]

solution is to just use the hat or bushrag. you're fine then. 

 

 

actually bushrag is pretty much impossible to overheat in. he's talking about the full suit. bushrag just looks like you're wearing a ghillie bearskin

 

Not entirely true,  I was wearing a puffy jacket/jeans/bushrag/vest and overheating (mind you I had no shoes or gloves on either), and that was even with all my items of clothing "damp."  Swapping out the jacket for a check shirt still lead to me heating up rather than maintaining a temperature, albeit much slower.  Even just wearing the hood and a "normal" set up of clothing usually leads to you heating up.  They definitely need to tweak the value a little on all the pieces.  They need to tweak temperatures in general.

 

There is the downside already that when it rains the pieces get "soaking wet" which is a step above just "wet" like other pieces of clothing.  Which can in turn lead to hypothermia instead I'd imagine.

 

I think having it heat up when running around is alright, but slightly less and I think sitting still you should be maintain a reasonable temperature unless you're sitting in the pouring rain.  It would be nice if you could break the pieces down without losing resources, or else do something else to store them more effectively.  You can't even carry the pieces in your hands currently.  So when you are on the move you can pack it up in a reasonable manner.  I know a full suit is huge, but there's not much reason why I can't get the hood and rag down to reasonable sizes.

[Sir Oliver 1]

I was hydrated and energized to the full capacity of the game stomach. You can eat and drink far more than the game leads you to believe. I was healthy as far as you can get it in this game. I had this character alive for some 20 hours game time and it took 3 minutes of the ghillie suit while idling to die. I was not running I was not even jogging really. I was crouch walking and laying down just outside a town while it was raining. My character still died from heat which is beyond silly. Please tell me how you die of heat from being completely healthy and barely moving while wet? The heat values should have adjustment. I have worn ghillies suits before and no they are not always ovens ,certainly not in a rain storm or simply sitting around in a dark forest. As it stands I can't really test the full suit when even idling results in quick and unannounced death. The hot status effect burned fast. It reminds me of the first week how if you didn't let your character rest you would fall unconscious and die. Now it seems like the ghillie suit is only good around bodies of water. So a grassy swim suit  unless you want to simply die from using it as intended in the forest or grass.

Lets make it viable for the actual work it takes to make one. I sacrifice my bag already for wearing it and it requires a great deal of materials to build. Lets have the heat values at a playable level rather than another recipe and item added to the useless list. Can't count the amount of awful items and recipes in game that are in no way practical. Just look at all the medical supplies that has no use currently. No need for more junk.

Edited February 24, 2015 by Sir Oliver

[Bororm 1156]

Yeah from a gameplay perspective especially there's absolutely no reason why wearing a ghillie in clear weather and not moving should negatively impact your character.  That is what they are for.

[q.S Sachiel 470]

you should drink 1-2L / hour for 40-50degC without high intensity activity.

This game will have you starving in 30minutes flat sitting on your ass after eating 10 cans of high-carb diet beans and bacon.

Many many things should be tweaked, though i haven't had the luxury of wearing a ghilli in any capacity yet.

[sneakydudes 278]

No the new heat increases they did made some of the items more hoter then it should be. You have to drink 4 liters of water for every town?

 

Sometimes counting a drink right away with normal gear on. Fully hydrated to yellow thirty with normal gear. Just a tad too high for normal reasons.

 

1 liter of water is high, but having to have up to 4 just in normal cloths is too much.

 

ghillie are a cool feature, I also would like to try and craft leather soon.

[blacklabel79 949]

 

 but not necessarily any more than you can get when wearing the appropriate-color hoodie-and-cargo-pants-combo and using clever and effective concealment and positioning.

 

 

nope. you pretty much dissapear after like 300/400 meters

[SMoss 2101]

you should drink 1-2L / hour for 40-50degC without high intensity activity.

This game will have you starving in 30minutes flat sitting on your ass after eating 10 cans of high-carb diet beans and bacon.

Many many things should be tweaked, though i haven't had the luxury of wearing a ghilli in any capacity yet.

 

And many many things will be tweaked/balanced. Only, this would most likely not happen at this stage in development though.

[q.S Sachiel 470]

Yeah, that's what i was alluding to :)

[Munson_fry (DayZ) 312]

dont wear a Full Ghillie on a hot server .

 

im a full ghillie, mosin ak74su, bastard and it works like a charm if u follow 3 rules:

 

1.Stay wet

2.use backpack if u have to travel longer than 1000 m.

3.DONT MOVE ! the enemy wont see u, when ur sitting on ur butt and stay still.

 

my squad regulary runns by me without noticing me. but when i move the illusion breaks.

 

oh and never sit next to ur backpack ... move away from it and use it as bait ( i know it evil but effective like hell ).

 

happy hunting.

[blacklabel79 949]

And many many things will be tweaked/balanced. Only, this would most likely not happen at this stage in development though.

 

BUT

 

it might be wise to tweak them at least a little so we can play with the goodies more ;)

[CJFlint 357]

I don't know how good of an idea to give tips on ghillie suits on the forums...because many would rather not many people have them but I will tell.

If you want to cool off while wearing it get soaked. Seriously lay in water and soak your self. That will keep you cool for a while. I carry a rope and extra burlap so I can also craft a a improvised pack to place it in if you don't need to wear it. When you want to put it on again, put the suit on then take apart the improvised pack and take the rope and burlap with you and leave the stick behind. Drink lots of water and eat too, try to keep healthy energized and hydrated as best you can it helps too. Hydration helps.

So I have def noticed being wet, is not a bad thing when carrying are wearing the suit and hood. Being dry you will over heat, even still. Try to also only sprint when you have too, that heats you up too. If you really have to cool of shed your close lay in water.

I silly as this sounds my hole play style changed when start using the ghillie stuff. You def have monitor every thing more. How much food you have, are you heathy, temperature ect. You can only carry a limited amount. So I think it may not be everyone's cup of tea being a wookie.

Edited February 25, 2015 by CJFlint

[hekp 223]

Best way for me is not to sprint at all. Lying in water all day, being wet can and will backfire at you with freezing status.

If you see an orange HOT status drop everything you're doing. For me it feels like the hot status comes after you like vodka.

Sure it say "HOT" now, but run another 5 minutes and youll be dying from overheating in 10, even if lying on the floor doing nothing.

 

Keep hydrated status prioritised. Dont ever stuff yourself on food. Be constantly hydrated. Its never a good idea to move out if you're not.

Sprinting dry from vybor to NWEAF in a full gillie will kill you. If you're on the move, walk in every water to get wet. Dont sit in, just refresh your wet status.

Don't do it if you're about to stop. You dont wanna be damp when you need to sit still. Dont sit wet in v3s. If you're playing on a pers:ON, take a backpack and none of these problems will ever exist. Personaly im not willing to risk those 5 seconds on non pers. servers :P (fu murphy, i know you)

 

Also, when you are crafting a gillie I recommend to have free slots for whatever you are crafting. I've already lost a crafted hood because i was wearing a helmet & had no room in my inventory. The hood simply dissapeared uppon being crafted.Othervise its autoplaced on your head or empty 2x2 slot.

Edited February 25, 2015 by halp

[krazypenguin 174]

Just wearing a pristine rain coat makes you overheat. And it's true that this would be the case in real life when you wear something that cannot 'breathe' so to speak.

 

Odd - I almost always wear pristine raincoats and I never overheat.

 

Cannot comment on the ghillie overheating specifically, but as a general observation, I think that people tend to underestimate the importance and severity of the status messages  - the game tends to compress time and the effects of various things, even if this seems unrealistic or a bit silly.  As an example, cooking meat now almost always results in my character becoming "hot" because you have to stay too close to the fire to check the meat.  Now that hot status doesn't mean that he's just a bit warm and needs to get away from the fire for a bit, it's more representative of someone who's suffering from serious heat stroke and requires either medical attention or some amount of time in a cooler environment with adequate hydration to recover.  Annoying, yes a bit, but it is what it is, at least until the devs make changes. ;-)

[CJFlint 357]

Best way for me is not to sprint at all. Lying in water all day, being wet can and will backfire at you with freezing status.

If you see an orange HOT status drop everything you're doing. For me it feels like the hot status comes after you like vodka.

Sure it say "HOT" now, but run another 5 minutes and youll be dying from overheating in 10, even if lying on the floor doing nothing.

 

Keep hydrated status prioritised. Dont ever stuff yourself on food. Be constantly hydrated. Its never a good idea to move out if you're not.

Sprinting dry from vybor to NWEAF in a full gillie will kill you. If you're on the move, walk in every water to get wet. Dont sit in, just refresh your wet status.

Don't do it if you're about to stop. You dont wanna be damp when you need to sit still. Dont sit wet in v3s. If you're playing on a pers:ON, take a backpack and none of these problems will ever exist. Personaly im not willing to risk those 5 seconds on non pers. servers :P (fu murphy, i know you)

 

Also, when you are crafting a gillie I recommend to have free slots for whatever you are crafting. I've already lost a crafted hood because i was wearing a helmet & had no room in my inventory. The hood simply dissapeared uppon being crafted.Othervise its autoplaced on your head or empty 2x2 slot.

Regardless If a player is in a critical state like freezing or overheating its time to take action. Its one reason why I carry everything I need to construct a fire or improvised backpack. You can't just keep playing when your character is overheating you have to stop and fix it.

Ghillie is all about temp management so like you saying, sure being wet can back fire or vs versa. You have to monitor the status bars. And adjust according to what your says. I have deliberately made my self wet, and was able to cool off, then able to move much faster. But its a balancing act. If your not careful yes like you said it can backfire.