Dayz was once described as a social experiment...

[Karmaterror 982]

....If it was how does it portray humanity?

 

Are we wild animals that would turn on each other like this, forming packs, then hunting down others?

 

I dunno, I think we come off a lot worse in dayz's social experiment, than we are for real. That being said, with the amount of fighting that goes on around the world, is dayz's portrayal closer to home than we would like to admit?

[Shrub Rocketeer ™ 879]

yes history is show wen you taking away civilize world and consequence for brake the rules human is vary fast return to follow only law of the nature and moral is vary fast disappear there is many example like what happen when the civil war is happen in some country and in the city when is big disaster is because human is like trained animals but he need to be remind always what is good/bad/right/wrong and wen nobody is remind and wen is no punish soon they doing WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM AND PERSONS CLOSER TO THEM and rest of world is threat and the competition for resource.

 

not all human will be killer but person who is don't having problem to do bad thing like rape and kill and steal HAVE ADVATAGE with person who trying to remember old world and is still afraid of punish

[Evil Minion 943]

It portrays how humanity would behave if you would remove sexuality/reproduction and the fear of death. So it basically portrays a zombie apocalypse. Not with the zombies - but with the survivors.

[patriots20068@yahoo.com 100]

Most of the bandits you see in game wouldn't be bandits in real life. There's a huge difference between pulling a trigger in a video game, and pulling a trigger in real life. Most of them would be cowards. However, people will do whatever to survive. Especially if they're pushed to their breaking point.

[Max Planck 7174]

We are, for the most part, civilized people who know we are playing a video game.

We can tell reality from make-believe, we are sound, healthy individuals.

 

We know DayZ has nothing whatsoever to do with the real world, but we like to enjoy our made up world in different ways. Different strokes, it's all good. And no one gets hurt.

Edited August 4, 2014 by Max Planck

[guppy22143 1081]

yes history is show wen you taking away civilize world and consequence for brake the rules human is vary fast return to follow only law of the nature and moral is vary fast disappear there is many example like what happen when the civil war is happen in some country and in the city when is big disaster is because human is like trained animals but he need to be remind always what is good/bad/right/wrong and wen nobody is remind and wen is no punish soon they doing WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM AND PERSONS CLOSER TO THEM and rest of world is threat and the competition for resource.

 

not all human will be killer but person who is don't having problem to do bad thing like rape and kill and steal HAVE ADVATAGE with person who trying to remember old world and is still afraid of punish

A very good and well thought out point, portrayed in a very jumbled and illegible way.

 

It confuses me.

[Rudette 435]

Standards. Values. Morals. These things are all social constructs. They are fake and borrowed, these creeds come from the society, culture, and religions you are born into rather than from within. They are from without, they are outside influence, they are learned traits and by no means what it is to be "human" ..morals change. Standards change.

The Roman's thought it was ok to beat a slave in the back of the head and throw them into a ditch when they were bored. As early as the 1800s here in the states it was fine to marry your underage cousin. Only a couple decades ago being openly gay could get you beaten in the street. Public opinion changes based on what is acceptable at the time. People suffer everytime we decide to cast our dignity aside and slit the throat of our own individuality for that meaningless fleeting feeling of love and acceptance.

There are two simple consequences that keep order and peace:

Fear of social excommunication, fear of being outcast from the tribe of choice one has built their identity around. The human is a herd animal, herd animals follow. People go through life upholding this image of what other people and creeds expect of them rather than being themselves and embracing themselves. They live and die without a sense of self. Without self-awareness.

Law Enforcement. Much less abstract than the above, this is the fear of the physical consequences. People fear reprisal; they want their freedoms and their life. Live as a cog in the machine or go to prison/get executed.

Serial killers often ignore these consequences out of vanity or plain just don't fear them. .

Most people are going to protect themselves and their immediate family in any sort of catastrophic event that might occur. Everyone else is the enemy.

Edited August 4, 2014 by Rudette

[Parazight 1599]

Look at Japanese culture.  Extreme violence in media and video games.  Yet, they have one of the lowest crime rates on earth.

[Shrub Rocketeer ™ 879]

Look at Japanese culture.  Extreme violence in media and video games.  Yet, they have one of the lowest crime rates on earth.

 

 

yes because the society of Japanese is VARY WELL TRAIN look how they clean after world cup look the respect they show evry person they are special society because in ww2 they having 2 atom bomb drop and whole system of emporer is god etc was change in 10 second and they doing vary good educating of the kid japan is nice person like some dog is nice dog because master doing good job

[mercules 1290]

Are we wild animals that would turn on each other like this, forming packs, then hunting down others?

 

 

Online game with no "consequence" for your actions. Of course people are jerks. 

In reality shooting everyone you see would be ridiculous as you would shoot the very person you will someday need to help you. My computer knowledge will be less useful without power and internet. My first responder skills however could save someone's life. I can fire and maintain a gun but I doubt I could do reloads without the tools I've used in the past and even then I'd need a refresher course. I have some basic training in self defense including with weapons. 

However, while I could maybe give a car a break job, change oil and plugs, fix flats I couldn't get an engine up and running or strip it apart. I wouldn't know what I could salvage from one vehicle to get a different model working, but I know people who could and shooting them would plainly be stupid if I could work with them. 

Lone wolves would quickly die in the apocalypse since they wouldn't have anyone to take a watch while they sleep or find medicine if they fell too ill to forage for themselves. They can't all have the knowledge they need to  cover all situations. Multiple eyes and ears have multiple chances to notice danger and can help each other if something does happen. A second person with a gun can move and flank while one provides covering fire. 

Some might say you can only trust those you already know, but you got to know that person at some point and time in your life and you can meet new people and they can earn that trust, but not if you shoot them on sight. 

[flimsypremise 94]

"Morality is neither rational nor absolute nor natural. The world has known many moral systems, each of which advances claims of universality; all moral systems are therefore particular, serving a specific purpose for their propagators or creators, and enforcing a certain regime that disciplines human beings for social life by narrowing our perspectives and limiting our horizons."

[Rudette 435]

Yes.

The Japanese are like this because it is highly cultural.

They also have one of the highest suicide rates in the world.. And this is because there is so much pressure on them to be perfect not only for their own image but for their family's image. They can be pretty uptight, but I love their media. They have some really creative dreamers!

But back to my point...see.. They wear masks, like we do, but theirs are much much more blatant. There is a personal mask, and a public mask. They also have very tight gun control. The Yakuza, for example, doesn't even prefer to use guns in their organized crime operations because of how much trouble it is to own a gun and to be caught with a gun.

I think it actually reaffirms my point more so. A combination of social pressure and law enforcement contribute to those statistics.

Edited August 4, 2014 by Rudette

[mercules 1290]

yes history is show wen you taking away civilize world and consequence for brake the rules human is vary fast return to follow only law of the nature and moral is vary fast disappear there is many example like what happen when the civil war is happen in some country and in the city when is big disaster is because human is like trained animals but he need to be remind always what is good/bad/right/wrong and wen nobody is remind and wen is no punish soon they doing WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM AND PERSONS CLOSER TO THEM and rest of world is threat and the competition for resource.

Actually history shows the very opposite by the very fact that you are currently sitting in what I would assume to be a safe place wasting time on posting to an internet forum instead of foraging for food. Society reasserts itself. Rules change but mankind wants organization and cooperation deep down or they wouldn't continue to restructure themselves into societies over and over again.

There are very brief revolutions where blood and chaos rule, but those go away and a new society rises.

[Shrub Rocketeer ™ 879]

Actually history shows the very opposite by the very fact that you are currently sitting in what I would assume to be a safe place wasting time on posting to an internet forum instead of foraging for food. Society reasserts itself. Rules change but mankind wants organization and cooperation deep down or they wouldn't continue to restructure themselves into societies over and over again.

There are very brief revolutions where blood and chaos rule, but those go away and a new society rises.

 

 

I am agree because I am in the place where is civilize and is still good system of law and police but my grandfather was sit in same house when german and Russian awas coming and rape all the daughter and shot my great uncle Jan in the face was 12 year old boy not soldier and they syteal all the money and value things and burn the big barn for the horse

Edited August 4, 2014 by Shrub Rocketeer ™

[mercules 1290]

"Morality is neither rational nor absolute nor natural. The world has known many moral systems, each of which advances claims of universality; all moral systems are therefore particular, serving a specific purpose for their propagators or creators, and enforcing a certain regime that disciplines human beings for social life by narrowing our perspectives and limiting our horizons."

 

Nietzsche is fun but you should read some Kant as well. 

[Rudette 435]

For me the biggest and most notable collapse of society was when the Roman Empire fell. That triggered centuries of regression, war, blood, and agony. Today we call that time the Dark Ages.

Technology regressed; aqueducts, roads, trading routes, sewer systems, ect--- All lost. No government to repair them. People gradually went from living in houses to living in shacks. Europe was pretty much divided 100s of  little warring states. You would live in this era as some poor sod living in a farm or village until one of their armies came along and raped and killed a large percentage of you and gave you the ultimatum to join or die. ... All for someone elses gain.

People would work together for mutual gain. The more hands you have the easier it is to survive. What we lack in DayZ is well.. Anything to do with those hands other than put guns in them. The gamespace itself doesn't feel harsh enough to kill us, only other players. So without goals, an environment that wants us dead, or other such incentives there is really little else to do but wander around and shoot people out of boredom.

>.>

Edited August 4, 2014 by Rudette

[Solopopo 330]

The mod could be considered a social experiment. If standalone is an experiment its a rather redundant one; put a bunch of people in a big open world environment with nothing to do but kill each other and they are going to do just that: kill each other.

[flimsypremise 94]

Nietzsche is fun but you should read some Kant as well. 

 

I Kant really get into him. I don't think the categorical imperative actually works all that well.

[Karmaterror 982]

I agree that cooperation would be more prevalent if it were for real, and fully realise that behaviour in a digital world is not at all a true depiction of how they would act in a real situation. However given that its a sandbox and players choose there path in a world without rules, it does sometimes seem like a small window to true human nature...untainted by all of the above mentioned cultural, historical, sociological (right word???lol) influences that we just accept and incorporate into our lives.

[mercules 1290]

I Kant really get into him. I don't think the categorical imperative actually works all that well.

 

 

Nor do I, but multiple perspectives and ideologies are closer to... what would we call it? Rational? Understanding? than subscribing to a singular perspective. Hell, Aesop's fables have a lot of very good lessons in them but no one would consider them deep insight into human nature. 

Nietzsche is a nihilist and thus believes strongly in "nothing". ;)

[flimsypremise 94]

Nor do I, but multiple perspectives and ideologies are closer to... what would we call it? Rational? Understanding? than subscribing to a singular perspective. Hell, Aesop's fables have a lot of very good lessons in them but no one would consider them deep insight into human nature. 

Nietzsche is a nihilist and thus believes strongly in "nothing". ;)

 

Actually, Nietzsche is a harsh critic of nihilism, which he argues is a condition arising from the persistence of a morality based on Christian teaching absent the supernatural elements that ground Christianity. Nietzsche claims that nihilism stems from the propagation of a "slave morality" that allows the weak to subvert the strong, resulting in a society bereft of any struggle or conflict. This society produces complacent hedonist relativists, and it is these people that Nietzsche labels nihilists. DayZ is this context is a means to act out the sublimated desire for true conflict in civilized, comfortable post-industrial societies.

Edited August 4, 2014 by flimsypremise

[LegitOldSchool 261]

If anything it proves that under the cover of anonymity, everyone's an asshole.

[Damnyourdeadman 1045]

It's because every survivor in DayZ is...

 

-Worthless/Lootbag:No Survivor in DayZ has special or unique skills(proficency),everyone knows medical knowledge,cooking,engineering etc.

-Consqequence Free:You shoot,you kill,it's game,all good

-Anonymous:Nobody knows me,i have a face like everyone else,and no means of indefication.

-Bored/Lack of Threat:Zombies look more like a part of the enviromental background than an actual threat....Boooring,let's shoot freshspawns :D

-In Fear/Not Trustfull:When you get betrayed from a survivor the first time,it's hard to continue to trust anyone after that.

-Lacking reason to co-operate/teamwork goal:There currently are no tasks besides bloodbaging that require 2 or more survivors.

[Whyherro123 2283]

For me the biggest and most notable collapse of society was when the Roman Empire fell. That triggered centuries of regression, war, blood, and agony. Today we call that time the Dark Ages.

Technology regressed; aqueducts, roads, trading routes, sewer systems, ect--- All lost. No government to repair them. People gradually went from living in houses to living in shacks. Europe was pretty much divided 100s of  little warring states. You would live in this era as some poor sod living in a farm or village until one of their armies came along and raped and killed a large percentage of you and gave you the ultimatum to join or die. ... All for someone elses gain.

People would work together for mutual gain. The more hands you have the easier it is to survive. What we lack in DayZ is well.. Anything to do with those hands other than put guns in them. The gamespace itself doesn't feel harsh enough to kill us, only other players. So without goals, an environment that wants us dead, or other such incentives there is really little else to do but wander around and shoot people out of boredom.

>.>

HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Listen, boyo, do some modern research on the so-called "Dark Ages"

 

The "Dark Ages" were called such because "modern" (think 1500-1600's) didn't have a lot of information about the time period. Not because they were particularly violent.

 

1) There were organized governments during the time period. It was actually the remnants of the Roman Empire that was the worst off. The Thuringian Franks held most of northern France in an organized (read; safe and prosperous), for example. Look at Charles Martell, Charlemagne, The Carolingian Renaissance, etc. 

2) Warfare was usually fought using small bands of very professional warriors, essentially proto-knights. Feudalism was heavily entrenched during this time.

3) People didn't suddenly forget about architecture (aqueducts, sewers, bathhouses, etc), trade (the Vikings traded far FAR more than they raided, with trade routes reaching Arabia, CHINA, and the goddamn Americas), or medicine. There was a "Little Ice Age" during the 600s, which caused worldwide temperatures to drop. Aside from affecting agriculture, the drop in temperatures caused massive deforestation across Europe, killing public bathhouses (essentially, they got too expensive to run)

 

TL;DR  Do some more research. Use "the Dark Ages!!!" in any sort of anthroplogical circle today, and you will be laughed out of the building. They never existed, at least not as they are portrayed in popular culture.

[q.S Sachiel 470]

If anything it proves that under the cover of anonymity, everyone's an asshole.

They could have proved the same thing with an anonymous setup forum system where you create avatars of yourself and can give no/misleading/limited/asmuchasyouwant personal/bio information about yourself but....

wait...

<.<   >.>.  Yup, did that too.

 

Not sure particularly how it's a social experiment, but I'd wager that despite most people here saying that 'people are cowards' 'wouldn't do this etc'... if this were a real anarchic environment, most people would do it just because "had to know how it feels".

 

@ "no we're good people" people / "they wouldn't do this because I refuse to see the beast in people" people:

 

Had a legal studies class in Uni once where the lecturer asked who would do "X" (from petty theft to murder/rape) if the rules weren't in place.  Put up your hand.

no body puts up their hand.

 

They aren't withholding their hands because they wouldn't do these things, but because they're afraid of their peers' responses around them in the current system.  It's everyone else that keeps people in check, other people's expectations and moral compasses focus peer pressure upon you to behave in a given manner.  If you take away that peer pressure, remove 'law', reduce the population and give power to the individual they will do as they see fit.  If there were no historical/current expectation that 'X' was wrong then what moral or peer response would prevent you from doing this?

 

Now i'm not saying that everyone's just going to go out raping and murdering, but I think you give the human race far too much credit.  Ultimately I still see us as wild animals, however domesticated.  We already see psycohpathic or sosociopathic behavior in our civilised countries, and developing nations have no qualms about surviving at whatever cost.  How about war-time?  What happened when facist governments decree one class above another?  One race above another? Riots and pack mentality?  Black Friday sales?  (rare) circumstances where a paedophile or sexual predator is identified within a community after serving their sentence and is ostracised, targeted and berated out of town?

 

We're animals, we're fucking nuts.  Particularly in a group, give us an excuse and we'll rip a person to shreds.  So yes, 1 in 10 people could fire a gun in WW1 when they were shipped over the other side of the world, but again I'd wager that if a manageable apocalyptic event happened in your own backyard, most people would not be 'cowards' or simply allow themselves to starve out.

They may not be effective at managing their survival or going about destroying lives like Bandits/KOS do in DayZ, but I don't anticipate this would be for lack of trying.

 

Dogs may be a different story, with many bred to the point of unnatural traits not condusive to survival / competition (weak teeth, genetic flaws mid-late in life, lower intelligence) but go to the poorer parts of the world and see how quickly an animal turns wild.  Cats are particularly good at this, though they're pricks out and out whether raised inside a house or not, they are killers and built for it. Man is no different.

 

Anyway, it's a moot point.  Either you're right and most people are cowards (meaning the pricks and 'brave' murderous rapists are the ones who would inherit the earth, not the meek) or the 'good' and moral people turn paranoid or group up to destroy everyone and everything that poses a threat to them.  Majority be damned, if anything like this ever happens i'd be expecting the 'server population' to be 40/250km^2 within a few months anyway ;)

Edited August 4, 2014 by q.S Sachiel