Make 15%ish chance for pistols to spawn with magazines

[Bruce of Wayne 81]

Before I state my idea, let me say this is, in fact, just an idea, and not something I want to shove down anybody's throat or I will rage about not having. Not even a request, just an idea. So don't go raging.

But I believe that pistols should possibly have a chance to spawn with a magazine in them. Right now, it is ridiculously hard to find a magazine for a pistol, and it doesn't make sense. If somebody is in possession of a pistol, they will logically also be in possession of a magazine. Nobody owns a pistol with no magazine. And gameplay comes before realism, even in dayz, I know. But also gameplay wise I also think it would give a more post-apocalyptic feel, as people would actually be USING pistols in game. And of course, in real life you will find more pistols than rifles, as more people own them. And then having ANY rifle will be a big deal. Now I know having only one or maybe even no shots and seeing how far you can bluff or survive is also immersive, but realize that this is a very low spawn rate and this will still happen. A lot. This game really needs some more pistol-pistol combat.

[PhillyT 554]

From a realism perspective, they should almost always include a magazine.

 

From a gaming perspective they should ALWAYS have a magazine.  The .357 is so good because it doesn't need one.

[Irish. 4886]

In reality, only about 15% at the most would not have magazines with them. Most would have mags, and maybe a few rounds left.. or none at all. 

[PhillyT 554]

I agree Irish.  Curiously, I find way more speed loaders than magazines in the game, yet in real life, I have owned three different revolvers and not a single speed loader.

 

Chernarus was apparantly a dumping ground for speedloaders.  Maybe that was what they were transporting in the boat at Riffy?

Edited May 27, 2014 by PhillyT

[Irish. 4886]

Yeah, the speedloader thing is silly.

[gibonez 3633]

From a realism perspective, they should almost always include a magazine.

 

From a gaming perspective they should ALWAYS have a magazine.  The .357 is so good because it doesn't need one.

 

This applies to most of the magazine fed firearms in the game.

 

Imagine if the sporter spawned with 1 or 2 magazines , we would actually see people using them.

[Bruce of Wayne 81]

I know if it were realistic every gun would have a mag, but it is meant to be part of the game finding one and that it is also a reason for people to use certain weapons like the magnum and the upcoming longhorn, because they don't need mags. But still maybe make it a 50% chance at most.And it would be a good idea for weaker rifles like the sporter too, but for, say, an m4, rarity is the price you pay for such a weapon.

Edited May 27, 2014 by Bruce of Wayne

[PhillyT 554]

I agree in theory Bruce, from a gaming perspective.  Looking for a magazine is part of the game.  But why bother when the .357 is so good and needs no magazine?  Similarly, pistols are so inferior to the long arms that there are no real reason to keep one after you have actually found a magazine (which normally requires a military base run and so a better weapon).

[Bororm 1156]

I'd be ok with it if the mags weren't loaded.

I don't think you should find loaded mags in general personally.

 

I agree that pistol mags specifically should spawn more in some way though, for sure.  Whether it's in the pistol or just more spawn locations.

[gibonez 3633]

I agree in theory Bruce, from a gaming perspective.  Looking for a magazine is part of the game.  But why bother when the .357 is so good and needs no magazine?  Similarly, pistols are so inferior to the long arms that there are no real reason to keep one after you have actually found a magazine (which normally requires a military base run and so a better weapon).

 

Yup not including weapon spawns with magazines is almost the same as spawning the revolver without a cylinder.

 

The magazine is a vital part of the entire weapon system just like a cylinder would be for a revolver.

[Jvalor 59]

You all mean to tell me you don't like chambering one round at a time in your 1911s? Hogwash...

[DemonGroover 8836]

I agree but i also think mags should be very very rarely be full, in most cases a gun laying around should be empty or nearly so.

[noother10 6]

Guns should have a good chance to spawn with a mag in them and low chance for another mag nearby and a low chance to actually contain ammunition. You'd guess they were used to kill some zombies and were dropped either on death or when out of ammo and useless. It makes sense they'll still have the magazine in them regardless unless the gun itself was badly damaged. So maybe like 80-90% chance to spawn with a magazine, 10% to have one with ammo which has random number, and like 5% for an additional magazine.

[ColdHeat 59]

Rather belongs to the suggestions forum but I approve it. And not only for pistols. The magazines might even be empty or only have few bullets remaining but it would make it only more logically.

 

I'm tired of all those "now I have 3 different pistols, all with 1 bullet in the chamber but I can't find a damn magazine outside of a military base" situations.

[calabam 55]

hand guns should spawn with a mag in them and and rifle that takes them too should also , although i rekon it would require some work on the spawn system to do this. Spare mags should be rarer though and use should have to refill your mags manually more often.

[xalienax 621]

a few things;

 

1. Mags should be found with or near guns they go with. (someone who owned that weapon or left it behind likely had magazines)

2. Mags should typicly be empty, or nearly empty. (makes sence, owner would have likely used up all the ammo uring the initial outbreak, or taken it with them)

3. Mags in poor conditions should have occasional feed jams requiring the removal of ammo to fix it. increase the chance of this as condition degrades

[qww 287]

i reckon spawn locations will change loads as dayz goes on, so im not even caring about wether pistols spawn with mags at the moment

[Sistinas1973 50]

Heh, the thing about pistols, imo, is that most people, my self included, think of them as "back up," or "last resort." However, as we most certainly have encountered, if you don't use it predominantly, you most likely will not use it all all. By that I mean, you engage most encounters with your primary weapon, most likely a rifle of some sort, and either kill your attacker, or get killed by them, thus rendering that side arm useless. I always try to find one for that facade, but rarely, if ever, end up actually using it. I do agree with the OP, the FnX, 75, P1, and 1911 should have at least a slight chance of spawning with a mag. I pass up so many I find because it then becomes a question whether or not I want to risk heading to an airfield or military post just to find a mag and risk getting kos over it. 

[So Sexy 259]

Wasnt this already discussed numerous times?

[GunnyITA 107]

i gave you my beans....at least magazine should be also on houses or else. Pistols is a step that all of us forgive, because the rifle is the first thing to be loot and being used.

 

ah, same for .22 sporter mags, they need to be somewhere aswell..

[Bruce of Wayne 81]

I agree in theory Bruce, from a gaming perspective.  Looking for a magazine is part of the game.  But why bother when the .357 is so good and needs no magazine?  Similarly, pistols are so inferior to the long arms that there are no real reason to keep one after you have actually found a magazine (which normally requires a military base run and so a better weapon).

Know I'm late here- but I am saying that is one ADVANTAGE, because, take, for instance, the Magnum. I would have to disagree with you on it being "so good". It has very, very poor accuracy,no attachments, and only six shots. In exchange, it has usability. It has common ammo and you don't need a mag. So if you were to put more work into it, an FNX would pay off much more. But that's the thing, finding that mag.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Know I'm late here- but I am saying that is one ADVANTAGE, because, take, for instance, the Magnum. I would have to disagree with you on it being "so good". It has very, very poor accuracy,no attachments, and only six shots. In exchange, it has usability. It has common ammo and you don't need a mag. So if you were to put more work into it, an FNX would pay off much more. But that's the thing, finding that mag.

The FNX and Amphibian make up for the lack of mags for their utility (FNX has many attachments, including an MRD, and the Amphibia is suppressed) but the P1, 1911 and CR75 are all essentially useless because you have to find magazines for them. I've seen a few people using pistols with magazines, but they're usually only on highly geared players. As of yet, I've found no one carrying a CR75 or P1 with a magazine.

And yeah, in most CQB situations people use an SKS or sawed-off IZH43, because they need no magazine.

Edited May 31, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[-Gews- 7443]

I have zero issues with spawning a pistol with a magazine. It's silly not to. Some people think anything that makes it even slightly easier to find a weapon is something only XxTr1cKsH0TmAsTeRxX Berezino deathmatchers would support. Sorry, nope, it makes more sense to find a magazine with or near the weapon than all by itself in some random house.

[hells high 676]

Mags with no ammo spawn in most weapons. Empty mags become more common. Ammo becomes less common. I think that sounds fair.

[Bruce of Wayne 81]

Thank you guys for being a mature and constructive community. You have furthered this discussion and now I have come to the conclusion that there should be more like a 40-70 percent chance for guns to spawn with mags, but little or no ammo, and it should apply to rifles as well (but with a slightly lower chance to spawn with a mag).