Love How Everyone Is An Expert

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

5% bought DayZ SA knowing full well that they were purchasing an early access alpha and were ready to deal with problems.  95% thought they bought DayZ SA full release and are whining like children.  Go figure.  

 

Oh, I also made those numbers up

[AlphaDogMeat . 493]

5% bought DayZ SA knowing full well that they were purchasing an early access alpha and were ready to deal with problems. 95% thought they bought DayZ SA full release and are whining like children. Go figure.

Oh, I also made those numbers up

I think you erred on the side of caution...

[Estevacio 62]

aha

 

i have tried to bring reason but to no avail man!

 

the "i know it's alfa but..." will keep coming , do not doubt that

 

but Great point of view!!

[xalienax 621]

The only reason people are freaking out is because of this other lame game coming out that paid to build a ton of hype for it, and no one asked any serious questions other than to turn on BIS. If you pay attention to the way news has come out, its almost all propaganda style blogs about how DayZ is so behind and this other game is going so quickly and will be so much better.. 

 

Its all foolishness. Some just dont think, the ones that can, and others are too young or inexperienced to realize this game is coming along well. There will be delays and missed deadlines, as well as things that come out early and little surprises here and there. All of the people that are bitching so loudly will be back each time there is an update.. and eventually they will either fade away or start to like the game. 

 

For me its perfect because if I get bored of the SA, I just go play Arma or the DayZ mod. No need to get upset over alpha. Ever. 

+1 mate. I may not agree on design directions or priorities, but i do agree that its beter to have a good product later then a rushed one now thats just going to be written off in a years time.

[zombiewarpig 40]

aha

 

i have tried to bring reason but to no avail man!

 

the "i know it's alfa but..." will keep coming , do not doubt that

 

but Great point of view!!

lol, i agree there. Ignorance is infinite. I am not on a high horse but just have an understanding of where the game is at this point. I can wish all I want and turn that into anger but just remember, the truth is not subject to your beliefs and that you can't know anything, until you realize you know nothing. 

[PhillyT 554]

Oh another one of those high horse threads. Thank you for adding to the pile, your contribution and sacrifice is appreciated  <_<

 

Well really, how many conversations can we have over weapon dispersion, 3PP vs. 1PP, or wall morphing zombies?  Sometimes things like this break it up a little!

 

He brings up a good point.  More money means little.  They can only put so many people on the development team. 

[Heeeere's johnny! 69]

The problem is not the development team or even the the short time dayz has been worked on, its the community that is in lack of patience and understanding.

Somebody once said:

"The expert knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing."

- Mahatma Gandhi

 

I totally agree with that quoted statement! Of course, we can only tell from what we see and hear. But why is it, people are so unpatient?

 

Not long ago, I didn't know anything about software development - I wasn't even interested. But now, as a software developer (and gamer) I had become, I know how difficult to implement seemingly simple changes are. But that never changed anything about my patience, only my reasoning.

 

And by the way:

 

With these words, cheers! :D

Johnny

Edited May 12, 2014 by Heeeere's Johnny

[SFRGaming 718]

because money hire devs

and devs fix everything 

 

so yea. Money does fix everything. 

People like you should not talk, rather than act like you know how game development works.

[VoidingNixx 39]

This OP is funny.  You guys act like this team has a crapload of work on them.  Guess what... it's not their engine.  Guess what... they already had a foundation for the game... guess what... they have enough resources to be much farther than this by now.

 

I don't really care if this is an Alpha or not, the patches should improve the game little by little, but it seems that each patch is making the game worse and worse... "Alpha" is no excuse for bad coding and bad systems.  Alpha is where they should have the basic game structure in place... this isn't even the case... not even close.  This feels more like a pre-pre-alpha version of a game.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Rocket we all know it's you. You are not fooling anyone. Develop game faster! Stop traveling to Bahamas in your private jet.

They're secretly working on a giant, 8 billion polygon Dallas PayDay mask that will cover the entire sky (And block out the sun, to force people to play night time) and constantly face every player. That's why development is "slow".

 

 

This OP is funny.  You guys act like this team has a crapload of work on them.  Guess what... it's not their engine.  Guess what... they already had a foundation for the game... guess what... they have enough resources to be much farther than this by now.

 

I don't really care if this is an Alpha or not, the patches should improve the game little by little, but it seems that each patch is making the game worse and worse... "Alpha" is no excuse for bad coding and bad systems.  Alpha is where they should have the basic game structure in place... this isn't even the case... not even close.  This feels more like a pre-pre-alpha version of a game.

The game has less bugs now than Fallout New Vegas and that's a game that came out 4 years ago and has had numerous updates/patches. Sure, there are some key problems like the zombie pathfinding, desync, server hopping/combat logging, hacking, etc, but they've fixed tons of the horrible glitches we used to have.

And it's a perfect "excuse" (as you call it) because you were warned not to buy it. You have the right to complain about it, but only with freedom of speech, and you do not have a right to be taken seriously.

The basic game structure is also in place, having a lot of bugs/glitches and not having the full feature list does not suddenly detract the alpha status. They've got the entire map essentially finished, they have working character systems, loot spawns, day/night cycles, basic zombie pathfinding, and a large variety of items.

Edited May 12, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[zombiewarpig 40]

This OP is funny.  You guys act like this team has a crapload of work on them.  Guess what... it's not their engine.  Guess what... they already had a foundation for the game... guess what... they have enough resources to be much farther than this by now.

 

I don't really care if this is an Alpha or not, the patches should improve the game little by little, but it seems that each patch is making the game worse and worse... "Alpha" is no excuse for bad coding and bad systems.  Alpha is where they should have the basic game structure in place... this isn't even the case... not even close.  This feels more like a pre-pre-alpha version of a game.

Wow, you managed to give all the examples of ignorance on the subject in one tiny post. Lets go through them one by one shall we.

 

1. it's not their engine - Its not who's game engine? Even if its not then tell me how many games are not created using someone else's game engine.

2. they already had a foundation for the game - Yeah its called a prototype and has nothing to do with the arma 2 mod. If this was just a copy and paste then why does it not look exactly the same as arma 2? Have they not made new structures and cities?

3. they have enough resources to be much farther than this by now - This I believe is the most ignorant of them all. We have enough money to get a man to mars but we haven't and why? Because there is a process to these things like sending probes first.

4. I don't really care if this is an Alpha or not - This says it all and the real reason you can't reason with someone like you. You think they should design the game around your needs and not the future development.

 

Thanks for this example and though you find me funny, I think your sad.

Edited May 12, 2014 by Zombiewarpi

[dallas 5195]

I personally believe the way forward is to use all these DayZ millions is for Bohemia Interactive to start acting like a triple A developer and funnel funding from development into marketing and PR instead.

 

If DayZ can sell 2 million copies with zero PR, imagine how many copies they can sell, if they expand the exposure of DayZ. I believe there are many more gamers out there, who've got money to burn, who don't have the first clue what alpha means, but thinks early access is some kind of cool insider VIP way to get full access to a finished and perfect game.

[Karmicdebt 46]

5% bought DayZ SA knowing full well that they were purchasing an early access alpha and were ready to deal with problems.  95% thought they bought DayZ SA full release and are whining like children.  Go figure.  

 

Oh, I also made those numbers up

naw ignorance plea is a no go. Everybody has read the warning before you play

and I know it was blatantly displayed several times before purchase

Edited May 13, 2014 by Karmicdebt

[Weyland Yutani (DayZ) 1159]

I think people are annoyed with the amount of money they now have, yet the development speed is the same.

I posted this before and will post it again here. The problem is "people" don't understand that throwing money at this stage of development doesn't speed up the process.

 

"I would say that we sacrificed the last few months in preparation for the next six months. We hired a very large number of new people, that means development slows a little because these people must be trained, adjust, etc...

 

These people have now gotten used to the engine and are just starting to produce serious results. I think the next few months should demonstrate this."

 

-Dean Hall

 

http://www.reddit.com/user/rocket2guns?count=25&after=t1_chdsinv

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/252ip9/what_is_the_status_of_day_z_right_now/

Edited May 13, 2014 by Weyland Yutani

[zombiewarpig 40]

I posted this before and will post it again here. The problem is "people" don't understand that throwing money at this stage of development doesn't speed up the process.

 

"I would say that we sacrificed the last few months in preparation for the next six months. We hired a very large number of new people, that means development slows a little because these people must be trained, adjust, etc...

 

These people have now gotten used to the engine and are just starting to produce serious results. I think the next few months should demonstrate this."

 

-Dean Hall

 

http://www.reddit.com/user/rocket2guns?count=25&after=t1_chdsinv

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/252ip9/what_is_the_status_of_day_z_right_now/

Thank you and everyone that support this discussion and if we could make just one person understand then it was worth it. To us it maybe just common sense that if they could, they would. But some how people would rather believe that there is a between the lines and that if they had the most detailed blog once a week that it would change anything. If you are ready to give up or spam the forums with how there is no excuse that an alpha that has had 6 months shouldn't be finished than no amount of information will enlighten you. 

[bodybagger2430 59]

Sadly I doubt you will. I've broken down my extremely long, rational speeches about what alpha is to a few simple words, and even those don't get through to half these forums.

 

Alpha =add stuff till the game shits itself

 

Beta = Fix what you broke.

 

Edit: after hearing about Arma 3's development hiccups and growing pains being mostly the same, I do have to say that those of us who stick with it or in for a great game.

Edited May 13, 2014 by bodybagger2430

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

Well, due to a new development team and a f*ck ton of backing money, I'd expect results.

Yeah. I expected instant results as well. Instant. Like, immediate because that's how things work. :/

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

I think people are annoyed with the amount of money they now have, yet the development speed is the same.

You do know you bought the game "as is" right?

[Vex_Vehix 436]

After reading 100's of posts on all of these early released alpha's I realized something. Explaining game development stages and the process to a gamer is like teaching evolution to creationists. The fact of the matter is, you can not win the argument.

Games take years to complete and this whole notion of it not being developed to provide seamless game play at the same time is just ludicrous. For example they spend months working on a new system for zombie's and had to scratch it for a better system. This was a set back indeed but should they of just kept an inferior system so that you may have a campfire? There are terms like under the hood that seemed to be over looked or even scrutinized by the community as an excuse or being lazy. When I read a post that starts off with, " I know it's in alpha but" only leads to a post from someone that thinks he knows more then the team or that he has an idea to solve what he thinks is a problem. The problem is not the development team or even the the short time dayz has been worked on, its the community that is in lack of patience and understanding.

I could talk about this for hours but like I said, "you can not win the argument.

Well said man.

They click on "I understand" before playing each day, but they really don't.

We live in the "Now" generation. Entitled twats.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Vex_Vehix

[Bororm 1156]

It's pretty bananas, I could spend the entire day looking up quotes and shit to people's questions because the majority of shit has been answered.  The bottom line is exactly what the OP is saying, and it's amazing people can't grasp it.  I get frustrated too, and I think there could be tweaks to the development process to make things better for everyone, but at the end of the day you just have to come to the realization that the devs do not give a fuck about the players right now.  We are testers, and for that purpose we're essentially stress testers more than anything else.  But balance, and bugs that don't directly affect the stability of the game don't matter at this point in development.

 

People were begging for a release and they gave it to us.  If you don't like the state of the game, wait till it's final.

This is what an alpha is, most people (myself included) are used to betas and most betas we're used to any more are nothing more than demos.  This is a legit alpha.

 

Also, this shit wasn't a kickstarter, you didn't pay your 30 bucks to fund development, you paid 30 bucks for the final game and access to the alpha and beta.  They could take that money and do jack shit with it, and it wouldn't change what you paid for.  The self entitled bullshit about how "we paid 60 million dollars" is ridiculous.  You paid 30 dollars for a game that isn't out yet.  The truth is though, that they have not only expanded their dev team but reworked their entire roadmap with that money in mind, complaining that there's been no change is idiotic.

 

There's simply no excuse for the stupidity that goes on around the community's view of the development of DayZ.  99% of complaints I see about the game stem out of ignorance.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Bororm

[xX_fr0st-w0lf_Xx (DayZ) 343]

People like you should not talk, rather than act like you know how game development works.

Your right, I don't know a damn thing about game development. But I know how money and how markets work, and so far I'm not the slightest bit surprised as to what is happening with the slow development

 

Edit: Also by the way, the road map that you all so religiously quote, well yea first dead line has already passed. Please point me to the direction of the updated road map. 

Edited May 13, 2014 by xX_fr0st-w0lf_Xx

[zombiewarpig 40]

Your right, I don't know a damn thing about game development. But I know how money and how markets work, and so far I'm not the slightest bit surprised as to what is happening with the slow development

 

Edit: Also by the way, the road map that you all so religiously quote, well yea first dead line has already passed. Please point me to the direction of the updated road map. 

So you are saying that with all there money they should of had fireplaces by now as most of what they said is in game? Everything else on the road map is still ahead of us as we are not even in the middle of Q2. Come back in July and tell me whats missing that they had planned and I will tell you the same thing, you are right, you do not know anything about game development. These are not deadlines but they are goals for the team.  Does not mean that if they didn't get bows working by April that everything won't be done in the end. You paid for testing and if its all done in the end then it doesn't matter in which the order you wanted them in or any delays along the way. We will get a finished product at the end of the year any way you slice it. As far as you claiming to know markets then you should understand that road maps are not set in stone and any one from Microsoft, apple, to Nvidia have delays and change there road maps all the time.

 

• More robust process for testing / delivery
• Bow and arrow / crossbow
• Fireplaces
• Network optimizations
• No spawn penalties for joining same server
• When ?

  Best case: two weeks

  Worst case: end of April

[Bororm 1156]

We schedule updates for, roughly, the end of each month. But we will not include something in the update that we know does not work and will break everything.

Which is, again, what I reiterated during the presentation.

We have prioritized the very issues discussed in this thread over the addition of things like fireplaces. That is exactly what the first point on that slide discussed.

 

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/255iw0/dayz_standalone_closed_test_last_year_with_huge/chedewn?context=3

 

It's sooo hard to keep up to date on all this info, it's sooo much easier to just complain and nitpick.

 

They don't make deadlines any more btw, Rocket learned his lesson on that one in 2012.

The sooner you accept the fact that shit will get done when it's done the better off you'll be.  Settle in for the long haul, or come back when it's done.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Bororm

[Conkykillz 791]

I like the Game, i only paid $30.00 sure it has some bugs and it Clearly states it is a Alpha and not to buy it but you bought it. Sorry but NO fucks given to all you WHINY little pricks who have nothing better to do then post constant fucking sob stories. Oh they got Millions (sob) oh the Zombies (sob) oh this, and that, and this, and that (Big fucking BOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO)

 

If you don't like it don't PLAY IT or even better make a POST about it

[SFRGaming 718]

I like the Game, i only paid $30.00 sure it has some bugs and it Clearly states it is a Alpha and not to buy it but you bought it. Sorry but NO fucks given to all you WHINY little pricks who have nothing better to do then post constant fucking sob stories. Oh they got Millions (sob) oh the Zombies (sob) oh this, and that, and this, and that (Big fucking BOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO)

 

If you don't like it don't PLAY IT or even better make a POST about it

Thank you. If the kiddies are so worried about their mommy's $30.00, why don't they just get off their ass and go cut someone's grass. They will be doing something productive and they could have their money back.