"He who fights and runs away..."

[anothercynicalbrit 166]

Nooby bandits like pew pew

I see, you have explained this magnificently. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back little boy, so basically you got nothing right ??

[Ninja_Meh 115]

Please dont be stroking things and naming them crossbows. Ok? Thank you..... >.>

i wasnt naming the crossbow crossbow thats a dumb name for a crossbow, to descriptive and already its definition, crossbow would clearly be called clarence, cedrci, or cunty, personally i like cunty the crossbow :D either way im suprised you didnt mind being patted on the head like the sad injured puppy im about to put down THUMBS  UP FOR YOOOOUUU lol

[EndOfDayZ 36]

Actually it's not a flank its a withdrawal and counter attack. I read what you said, there are times when a direct action flank in contact is the most effective option, however the OP said he didn't know where the enemy was or how many there were so a flanker is difficult.

As I said, personally I would break Contact and withdraw, observe from a distance while concealed, then Counterattack after the enemy let their guard down or the tactical situation allowed me to get the jump on them, ideally an attack from behind.

In situations where you can win or flank Without a 99% chance of death, then yes you are correct that is your best bet.

Just last night my mate was stalked and ambushed in a police station, Instead of just running to join the fight I concealed myself, waited out,counter ambushed and killed both enemies who were massively geared up compared to me.

Your suggestion and tactics were not bad, just your attitude toward other players as meagre and not worthy.

[Whyherro123 2283]

your missing my point, op asked a question, reply flamed him as a pussy, when really using guns IS for pussies. real ninjahs use melee and now with crossbows and bows :D you can be true shadow ninjah. so to your point, using a pistol just makes you a more stupid pussy than using your main gun, as opposed to being a big balled bastard who takes on a adhd KOS kind of phag with craftable and hard to use weapons, just cos you can, cos unlike the gun toting phags YOUR A BOWWWWSSSSSSS

 

:P i really hope they balance the craftable and non bullet based weapons out to be the true ninjah warriors weapons of choice, i want to see the ability to craft long bows with ability to mod them to take scopes so you can snipe with a bow and no one knows what happened when they take an arrow to the knee from 500m, thats something you can brag about in forums, as opposed to finally i found an lrs and used it on a gun to kill someone.

Have luck hitting anything besides the terrain at 500m, even (especially) with a longbow. I highly doubt you have the total-body (Yes, total. Try to draw back the string using "just" your arm and shoulder, much less just your arm, and you will most definitely tear something) strength to pull back a 200-fucking-pounds-of-draw-weight Welsh Longbow. The Yeoman archers of medieval England had MALFORMED skeletons, due to the forces exerted on their bones from the high draw weights of the longbows of the period.

Plus, duct-taping a scope on a bow won't make you magically hit your target merely because you can see it. You still have to account for the arc of travel for the arrow, and at the angle of elevation you are going to have to loose the arrow at in order to reach out to 500m, all you are going to see in that scope is sky.

TL, DR Have fun getting ROFL-stomped by firearm-wielding combatants, stupid LARP-er. There is a multitude of reasons why armies switched over from crossbows and self-bows to firearms, and ease of use was one of them. Bows and other mechanically-propelled weapons have a place in survival. The battlefield ISN'T it.

[Irish. 4886]

Today, after hours of walking me and two of my friends finally met up on the coast outside of Berezino. We were just swapping food and ammo when we heard M4 shots and they both went down. I couldn't see our assailant so I legged it out of there, with bullets whizzing behind me. I made it out alive, but felt very guilty afterwards; should i have turned round, looked for him and shot him, risking certain death, or was it right to run? Do you folks think running away from a fight is ok? I mean, it's better than combat logging, right?

LEAVE NO MAN BEHIND.

[gemellus 77]

I would say 90%+ of my encounters involve me running away unless I have the upperhand.

[Deathlove 2286]

I would say 90%+ of my encounters involve me running away unless I have the upperhand.

That black cat is amazing. I had one just like him. =O3O=

[Grimey Rick 3417]

At the end of the day, you ran from someone in a video game.

[sobieski12 835]

You pussy, i find it so funny when people run away from fights especially ones equally matched. There was one of him and one of you, i personally would have used all that time you did running with your tail in between your legs to flank around on this guy and wait for him to loot the bodies, it is extremely rare for someone to leave bodies, most will hide them and as your there might as well check what your victim had on him anyway, if you were to ask me what the number one killer is on dayz it is greed, people wanting more loot.

 

All in all You are a pussy never run from a fight unless you are really outgunned and outmanned (that's just strategy) otherwise you wont ever get better at the game.

 

The whole point of the game is to survive, in the end he survived and got away, I'd consider that a win.

[mithrawndo 166]

You did exactly the right thing by running away. Where you went wrong was that once you were in cover and the gunfire had ceased, you should have been looking to see if you could turn the engagement in your favour, hopefully by ending your assailant.

 

'It is better to live one day as a lion then a hundred years as a sheep'

 

I know many sheep who would respectfully disagree with this statement. As for the sentiment? Military history supports the premise that retreat and regroup is seldom a poor strategic decision. Examples of so-called "bravery" tend to be overhyped mistakes: See the Charge of the Light Brigade as a pertinent example, given that I presume you to be English (or at least British)

[anothercynicalbrit 166]

The whole point of the game is to survive, in the end he survived and got away, I'd consider that a win.

I see your point but if you really want to survive comfortably it helps to have friends, friends who would take a bullet for you just as they would know you would take a bullet for them and/or their gear as in this game your gear is you, not friends who run away and do not even try and fight for you. At the end of the day in my opinion the OP is a pussy as he tucked his tail in between his legs and ran, he did try to avenge, help or save his friends, remember his friends may well have been unconscious and could have been saved.

[anothercynicalbrit 166]

Actually it's not a flank its a withdrawal and counter attack. I read what you said, there are times when a direct action flank in contact is the most effective option, however the OP said he didn't know where the enemy was or how many there were so a flanker is difficult.

As I said, personally I would break Contact and withdraw, observe from a distance while concealed, then Counterattack after the enemy let their guard down or the tactical situation allowed me to get the jump on them, ideally an attack from behind.

In situations where you can win or flank Without a 99% chance of death, then yes you are correct that is your best bet.

Just last night my mate was stalked and ambushed in a police station, Instead of just running to join the fight I concealed myself, waited out,counter ambushed and killed both enemies who were massively geared up compared to me.

Your suggestion and tactics were not bad, just your attitude toward other players as meagre and not worthy.

When i said flank i was kind of including all of these things you say but i did not explain myself very well, yes i agree a tactical retreat is fine, waiting and trying to ambush the would be bandit is also fine but running away is not fine imho.

[paisius77 36]

 

 

'It is better to live one day as a lion then a hundred years as a sheep'

 

'When cities burn and armies turn and flee in disarray cowards will cry: 'Tis best to fly and fight another day'. But True worriors know in their marrow, When they die and fall 'Tis better to have fought and lost than to have not fought at all'

 

I know which one i am.

 

 

I'm pretty sure this is a video game.........meaning it's make believe.  :huh:

[anothercynicalbrit 166]

You did exactly the right thing by running away. Where you went wrong was that once you were in cover and the gunfire had ceased, you should have been looking to see if you could turn the engagement in your favour, hopefully by ending your assailant.

 

 

 

 

I know many sheep who would respectfully disagree with this statement. As for the sentiment? Military history supports the premise that retreat and regroup is seldom a poor strategic decision. Examples of so-called "bravery" tend to be overhyped mistakes: See the Charge of the Light Brigade as a pertinent example, given that I presume you to be English (or at least British)

Of course the sheep would disagree, they would also disagree if their country was invaded and being run by foreign dictators because they are sheep, This was not a retreat and regroup s, it was a retreat, a full scale retreat and never to go back again, in war this would be called a defeat, you call it regrouping, i call it being defeated, I think this is where we differentiate. Also  Every major event that has happened in humanities existence has stemmed from the bravery of certain people, Whether they are good or bad.

 

If you would like me to name a few or a lot of examples where brave people have changed the course of everyone on this forums history you just let me know, i will be glad to. Also 'Military history supports the premise that retreat and regroup is seldom a poor strategic decision.'

That my good sir and without being personally rude is the biggest pile of steaming shit i have heard in a very long time.

 

I would love to have a discussion about this in off-topic with you as i could see it would be interesting but we probably should not do it on this thread, mind you it is kind of related to the topic in hand, was running away the correct desicion, i will let the mods decide

Edited May 2, 2014 by anothercynicalbrit

[enforcer1975 1111]

I see your point but if you really want to survive comfortably it helps to have friends, friends who would take a bullet for you just as they would know you would take a bullet for them and/or their gear as in this game your gear is you, not friends who run away and do not even try and fight for you. At the end of the day in my opinion the OP is a pussy as he tucked his tail in between his legs and ran, he did try to avenge, help or save his friends, remember his friends may well have been unconscious and could have been saved.

 

Yes better lose ALL YOUR GEAR instead of having one who can't even see the enemy run away and help the respawned ones get some gear by assisting him with HIS GEAR HE KEPT because he ran away. Logic is always missing in a videogame...and i don't know if you would really catch a bullet for your friends because you would catch a bullet because of your friends when you stay planted rotating 360° to look for someone you didn't expect to be there.

Edited May 2, 2014 by Enforcer

[nexdemise 16]

It's best to run away rather than try to push back against an assailant you can't see. Once you're out of the bullet's path you can rethink your options - you can try to move around and try to pin down his location, or you can just get out of there completely and help your friends gear up later.

 

I recommend never swapping items out in the open. Bunch of players standing around not moving is a sniper's heaven.

 

A while ago my group and I (3 players) ran into another 3 player group on the forest past sniper hill. Long story short: They had two casualties, we had 0. The third managed to escape with at least 1 gunshot from a mosin. When we were done and ready to leave one of my friends got shot (and knocked out) by that third guy when he tried to loot a body of one of the guys we killed. The 3rd then went up the hill to drop on us, he fired on my other friend and knocked him out. I took aim at him, he took aim at me. I fired, he dropped, I fired again to make sure he was dead. I then patched my guys up (bandage on the second, bandage, saline, and an epipen on the first who was unconscious for a good minute, constantly bleeding), we hid their bodies, and ran away.

 

Now think about this: If he wouldn't run away he'd definitely die in the commotion. He took his time to figure out where exactly we were (we dropped on them from about 10ft away, full camo gear works wonders) used the element of surprise to attack us when we were sure of victory, and he came this close to killing us all.

 

Also: Remember that not every standoff can be won. If you're alone, and there's 5 of them then you will most likely die.

Edited May 2, 2014 by NexDemise

[BiGoDeViN (DayZ) 423]

Today, after hours of walking me and two of my friends finally met up on the coast outside of Berezino. We were just swapping food and ammo when we heard M4 shots and they both went down. I couldn't see our assailant so I legged it out of there, with bullets whizzing behind me. I made it out alive, but felt very guilty afterwards; should i have turned round, looked for him and shot him, risking certain death, or was it right to run? Do you folks think running away from a fight is ok? I mean, it's better than combat logging, right?

 

Probably me and my crew. We shat on quiet a few people today.

 

Anyway, yeah, running in that situation is pretty lame. If you were alone and someone opened fire, it'd be okay. But the cowardly part here is you didn't try to stand and fight and protect your friends gear. Why even play with someone who will run away if it's down to them?

 

I got killed going into Pub today. Heard some DC and went to check it out. Went in there and seen two guys talking to a freshie. They killed me. My buddy, instead of running away, cleared the entire room and I was able to get my shit back. If he had just backed up and ran out, I'd have been pissed. But instead he cleaned house and we got more loot.

[TheDoctorInDayz 26]

Probably me and my crew. We shat on quiet a few people today.

 

Anyway, yeah, running in that situation is pretty lame. If you were alone and someone opened fire, it'd be okay. But the cowardly part here is you didn't try to stand and fight and protect your friends gear. Why even play with someone who will run away if it's down to them?

 

I got killed going into Pub today. Heard some DC and went to check it out. Went in there and seen two guys talking to a freshie. They killed me. My buddy, instead of running away, cleared the entire room and I was able to get my shit back. If he had just backed up and ran out, I'd have been pissed. But instead he cleaned house and we got more loot.

 

 

You are criticizing someone for eluding a bad situation, where he did not know where he was being shot from, nor how many people, yet you talk of a situation where you knew exactly where the people were, how many, knew they were distracted with someone else, and you still died.  Not the same situation the OP had, and to make matters worse, your friend, who entered a building with players who had a heightened sense of awareness because of you, was still able to take them out.  Does not bode well for your skills at this game.  Try not to take others down, with your misguided sense that you are better, because you just told everyone, that you are not.

[petetheEat 15]

Wow! I didn't think this would spark such a debate! The problem was that i couldn't see the guy, and if I had turned around then he would have shot me. If I could see him I would have gone after him, but there was no point just standing there waiting for death. It was a moment of panic, flight or fight and i chose flight.

[TheScruffyBandit 382]

It's a survival game, there is nobody keeping score of your kills: sounds like a few people where are playing the wrong game, OP did nothing wrong.

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

LEAVE NO MAN BEHIND.

 

He didn't. He left two corpses behind.

[anothercynicalbrit 166]

Yes better lose ALL YOUR GEAR instead of having one who can't even see the enemy run away and help the respawned ones get some gear by assisting him with HIS GEAR HE KEPT because he ran away. Logic is always missing in a videogame...and i don't know if you would really catch a bullet for your friends because you would catch a bullet because of your friends when you stay planted rotating 360° to look for someone you didn't expect to be there.

You are just making things up and trying to put words into my mouth, please explain at which point i said to not move and just turn around and shoot, i think you are the one who is missing logic otherwise you would be able to comprehend my posts a bit better. When you stay planted rotating 360, I am wondering if you even read the OP.

[BiGoDeViN (DayZ) 423]

You are criticizing someone for eluding a bad situation, where he did not know where he was being shot from, nor how many people, yet you talk of a situation where you knew exactly where the people were, how many, knew they were distracted with someone else, and you still died.  Not the same situation the OP had, and to make matters worse, your friend, who entered a building with players who had a heightened sense of awareness because of you, was still able to take them out.  Does not bode well for your skills at this game.  Try not to take others down, with your misguided sense that you are better, because you just told everyone, that you are not.

 

So, I'm bad because I gave someone a chance? Because I showed self restraint and didn't piss M4 all over the place lake a scared dog, I'm BAD? The only reason I died is because I thought they were friendly. We heard only the fresh spawn over Direct Chat. 

 

And what struck a nerve on you? Because I don't like it when people I play with run away every time someone shoots at us? Playing with friends means trying to at least sit on your gear before running.

 

And what the hell is your problem anyway? You got awful mad over an opinion. And opinion on a game for the matter.

Edited May 2, 2014 by BiGoDeViN

[enforcer1975 1111]

Wow! I didn't think this would spark such a debate! The problem was that i couldn't see the guy, and if I had turned around then he would have shot me. If I could see him I would have gone after him, but there was no point just standing there waiting for death. It was a moment of panic, flight or fight and i chose flight.

 

Problem is people tend to call others pussies and execute a flanking operation without even knowing the location of the enemy...and they confuse DayZ with your everyday shooter.

Edited May 2, 2014 by Enforcer

[over9000nukez 199]

if you fought back you probebly would have died, and your dead either way a brave man or a coward