Do you want pooping in this game?

[gibonez 3633]

yes, but at what point do we go "okay other things need more atention then adding more medical complications".

 

Separate teams within the studio.

 

They can address all these issues at the same time nothing will get overlooked because effort is being put into one thing or another.

[xalienax 621]

Separate teams within the studio.

 

They can address all these issues at the same time nothing will get overlooked because effort is being put into one thing or another.

Is that the new parrot back this month? i thought it was "ALPHA!" or was that last month? hmm. maybe some of these teams need to be merged into the "make tents and bicycles workable for next stable release" team. or how about the accurate balistics replacing dispersion cones team? Would both do 100x more for gameplay then adding more mediacal complications.

[Duenan 226]

Until CORE MECHANICS are fixed

 

Nothing else should be even on the table. Right now you have essentially a broken game with no functional core mechanics other than shooting and even that is messed as damage values and accuracy values are completely screwed up.

 

THIS is why people spend all day KoSing.

 

There is no game here. What is there to play?

 

I'd like to see a list from the devs of what their core mechanics are. We know we have shooting, looting, zombie ai and crafting. Those four things a game do make. Make sure they are all functional as you don''t have a game without them. Who cares about gun skins and hats especially when damage values are silly and zombie AI is non functional.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Stop thinking of dayz as a video game and your problem is solved.

No need for a detailed list but I will run down on the main reason why I think it will be good for the game not this particular feature alone but as a whole package of features that are similar.

The entire goal of the game is to immerse the player into this world and to believe they are looting areas in order to survive.

Pooping is just another device used by the devs to hammer in the fact that this is not just another shooter, your player has very real wants and needs.

It needs food for energy, it needs water to stay hydrated, it needs rest hopefully in the future for over excertion , it needs to defecate .

all of these things add to the game by ensuring you know that your player is healthy, they are all combined tiny additions that immerse the player more and seperate the game from other shooters.

without such features Dayz is simply COD at the coast with occasional eating and perma death.

SPAWN - Find gun - run to coast - PVP - die

Repeat.

#1 - DayZ is a videogame. Call it a "survivalist simulator" all you want, it's still just a videogame.

#2 - Defecation is completely unnecessary when there are already other ways being developed that accomplish the same effects.

[Railsplitter84 45]

It should not be an "on command" thing like flipping the bird is.  Rather, when my guy hasta go, he should get a message bar just like the "hungry" or "thirsty" bars, but it would say "defecate" or something.  When that bar is up, run speed and turning should be decreased slightly, gradually getting worse as the dooky crowns.  You'd hafta get to a safe place, hit your "poop" button, and then you'd squat for like 30-45 seconds before a little pile appears under you (no dropping pants/seeing it come out is needed).  Then your agility returns full force!

[weedmasta 784]

Field medic simulator ?

 

Hmm the medical system is quite slim at the moment and it will probably and should get more complex.

 

It is complete bullcrap that you can heal a gunshot wound to the neck or heart with a simple rag.

 

Hey, Rambo does it only with a knife!

[gibonez 3633]

Hey, Rambo does it only with a knife!

 

That would actually be pretty cool.

 

 

Rags soak up blood reducing bleeding.

 

In order to fully stop blood loss you must apply fresh rags.

 

When you reach safety you have to heat a knife in a fire source and then use it to take out the bullet and burn the wound close.

[joe_mcentire 2074]

i wouldn't focus that much on the action itself more on what it implies. and that's pretty interesting imo.

[ptk (DayZ) 178]

17 pages full of shit and nobody has said it?

Don't worry fellas, i got this...

FeceZ

Regardless, if they add in crap times, i bet they sell more copies...

Bring on the dumps!

[hellcat420 212]

its a horrible idea i hope it does not get added.

[Jumbaliah 113]

its a horrible idea i hope it does not get added.

 

I hope who ever originally thought of adding pooping in DayZ poops their pants right....now 

[cuddly_rabbit 102]

I voted "no", even though I like the realism part of DayZ most.

Why?

After having seen the abuse by so called "bandits" (who I would label trolls, nothing else) I know what it would be used for. In nearly 100 % of the time.

 
"Hey, new spawn, roll in it!"
"Forcefeed him! trolololol!" *insane giggling in TS*

"Feed him until he vomits, then makes him roll in it!"
"Teabag his body first! And now a good dump!!!! Hey, try to hit his head, lol! You missed, ololololol!!!!11111"

And this is seriously something I do not want.
It's a feature that will be abused immensely and crosses a border where player vs. player abuse becomes really bad.

[BadAsh (DayZ) 1513]

Correction. 

It is not a valid argument in YOUR opinion.

To myself and I would bet others it does stand as a valid point. I'm sure even most people that are for it being in the game can at least see the point I am trying to make.

 

And I am not "squeamish" of a little poop. I have a German Shepherd that eats like a horse. If I was "squeamish" of shit I would be in tears every time I had to pick his up off my lawn.

 

Sorry, but you do not adress my point. You say it can be abused by kids, I that is a point to be made about any feature. It can and will be abused by kids. So, that is not a particular forceful argument, unless you have been active opposing every single feature added to this game. You haven't. In fact you have just been active opposing this particular feature. As such I can only interpret your emotional response as being directly related to this particular feature, and therefore a case of you being squeamish,

 

You haven't provided any argument, but this is the only feature you are so vehemently against, my interepretation is that you (and all the people who have argued in such a wanting fashion against this) are squeamish. 

[rickyspanish 158]

I voted "no", even though I like the realism part of DayZ most.

Why?

After having seen the abuse by so called "bandits" (who I would label trolls, nothing else) I know what it would be used for. In nearly 100 % of the time.

 

"Hey, new spawn, roll in it!"

"Forcefeed him! trolololol!" *insane giggling in TS*

"Feed him until he vomits, then makes him roll in it!"

"Teabag his body first! And now a good dump!!!! Hey, try to hit his head, lol! You missed, ololololol!!!!11111"

And this is seriously something I do not want.

It's a feature that will be abused immensely and crosses a border where player vs. player abuse becomes really bad.

 

What? And you would roll in poo why? Just run away and take the bullet don't give them the satisfaction. This whole kids/douches will abuse it argument is nonsense, how do you find yourselves restrained by children/douche bags so much? as soon as I hear there squeaky voices I pull the trigger or stay fuck away. Why should everybody suffer because of what certain idiots do, hopefully when the survival aspect is upped we might lose a few children anyway especially with H1Z1 on the horizon.

 

The better argument for me is that there's plenty of features that should take priority over this, its not something we need in the game asap. If it adds to the experience I'm all for it but we don't know till we try it. And why is everybody assuming it can be force fed? I find it unlikely that they would allow us to pick it up as an item. And can player abuse get any worse then murdering each other and shit talking down the mic, oh no virtual poo!

Edited April 26, 2014 by Ricky Spanish

[Whyherro123 2283]

That would actually be pretty cool.

 

 

Rags soak up blood reducing bleeding.

 

In order to fully stop blood loss you must apply fresh rags.

 

When you reach safety you have to heat a knife in a fire source and then use it to take out the bullet and burn the wound close.

No...just....no. I have to ask; do you know anything about first aid? If you tried to self-cauterize a wound using a knife, you WILL:

 

1)Ruin your knife, probably one of the worst things you can do in a survival situation.

2) Not get the bullet out. Knives aren't made for prying.

3) Cause even more damage to your flesh, as well as introducing even more bacteria to the body

4) Pass out, because cauterization fucking HURTS.

Bullet fragments are really, really really hot when the bullet leaves the barrel and they enter you. They are practically sterile and, by itself, are not going to cause any disease (the disease would be caused by bacteria on clothing particles pulled into the wound by the bullet). Trying to dig them out of your arm with a heated-up knife (protip, how are you going to hold it? By the handle? That isn't going to happen. Metal conducts heat very well.) will cause possible more damage than the actual gunshot wound, what with you digging and prying about in your muscle.

No, that isn't going to happen. Pack the cavity with a sterile dressing, bandage up the wound, sling and immobilize like you would a broken limb, then get your ass to a real doctor, where you can trade your beans and booze for proper medical treatment.

Finally, you can survive with a bullet inside of your body, it doesn't necessarily have to be removed. Look at Andrew Jackson. Old Bastard was like a walking armory.

Edited April 26, 2014 by Whyherro123

[gibonez 3633]

No...just....no. I have to ask; do you know anything about first aid? If you tried to self-cauterize a wound using a knife, you WILL:

 

1)Ruin your knife, probably one of the worst things you can do in a survival situation.

2) Not get the bullet out. Knives aren't made for prying.

3) Cause even more damage to your flesh, as well as introducing even more bacteria to the body

4) Pass out, because cauterization fucking HURTS.

Bullet fragments are really, really really hot when the bullet leaves the barrel and they enter you. They are practically sterile and, by itself, are not going to cause any disease (the disease would be caused by bacteria on clothing particles pulled into the wound by the bullet). Trying to dig them out of your arm with a heated-up knife (protip, how are you going to hold it? By the handle? That isn't going to happen. Metal conducts heat very well.) will cause possible more damage than the actual gunshot wound, what with you digging and prying about in your muscle.

No, that isn't going to happen. Pack the cavity with a sterile dressing, bandage up the wound, sling and immobilize like you would a broken limb, then get your ass to a real doctor, where you can trade your beans and booze for proper medical treatment.

Finally, you can survive with a bullet inside of your body, it doesn't necessarily have to be removed. Look at Andrew Jackson. Old Bastard was like a walking armory.

 

As a game mechanic what do you think would be a good alternative to the single rag you are no longer shot mechanic that is in game ?

[KingOfTime 267]

As a game mechanic what do you think would be a good alternative to the single rag you are no longer shot mechanic that is in game ?

Pliers and a knife. Heat them up with a camp fire/cooking stove to sterilise. Extract the bullet with pliers, cauterize with knife, pack the wound with clean rags.....or something like that.

[Whyherro123 2283]

As a game mechanic what do you think would be a good alternative to the single rag you are no longer shot mechanic that is in game ?

Considering how that is the basis of first aid IRL, I would say nothing. 

After encountering severe bleeding, you apply direct pressure, then move to pressure points. If that doesn't work, you apply tourniquets. 

In my opinion, stop viewing bleeding as "blood", and instead view it as shock. All injuries, no matter the severity, cause some degree of shock. If you take too much shock at once (a severe injury, surprise, etc) IRL, you can, and probably will, pass out. You can recover from shock and shock symptoms relatively quickly and easily, by:

 

1) stopping the cause of shock (if bleeding, dress and bandage, till bleeding stops. If in pain, take painkillers etc, to stop pain. You get the idea.)

2) resting

3) eating

4) drinking

 

Guess what that looks like? The in-game "Healthy" status!

When you view the in-game "bleeding" statuses as "shock" statuses instead, everything both makes a lot more sense and is far more realistic.

I never really liked the massive streaming gouts of blood Day z has anyways. If you bleed hard enough to shoot blood that far, you have arterial bleeding. You are going to fall unconscious within seconds due to a rapid loss in blood pressure. Only a properly-applied (it is possible to fuck up a tourniquet, yes.) will save your life at that point, and you aren't going to be running/fighting for a while.

Edited April 26, 2014 by Whyherro123

[Whyherro123 2283]

Pliers and a knife. Heat them up with a camp fire/cooking stove to sterilise. Extract the bullet with pliers, cauterize with knife, pack the wound with clean rags.....or something like that.

Again, you are going to cause FAR FAR FAR more damage trying to get the bullet fragments out. Just leave them in! They can't really harm you anymore, unless they are in a blood vessel, organ, or the lungs, in which case you are fucked anyways.

 

Edited April 26, 2014 by Whyherro123

[KingOfTime 267]

Again, you are going to cause FAR FAR FAR more damage trying to get the bullet fragments out. Just leave them in! They can't really harm you anymore, unless they are in a blood vessel, organ, or the lungs, in which case you are fucked anyways.

 

That may be true, but I dont think some rags should make you a-ok. Perhaps force players to find antibiotics after being shot to avoid death from infection. Just throwing out ideas here.

[Whyherro123 2283]

That may be true, but I dont think some rags should make you a-ok. Perhaps force players to find antibiotics after being shot to avoid death from infection. Just throwing out ideas here.

Technically, so long as you stop the cause of shock (in this case, bleeding), rest, eat and drink (to recover lost energy), you will be fine "short-term"

Note, this is what happens in-game. You get wounded, lose some "blood" (be put under shock, see above). You then stop the shock (bandage), find a safe place, then eat, drink and relax until you get the "healthy" status. This, IMO, pretty accurately shows shock in a video game setting. 

I would like to see more of the shock "symptoms"; shaking, nausea, weakness, confusion, blurry vision, etc. Look up shock to see more. I believe it would add more to the game.

Infection should be entirely different. And, oral antibiotics won't really stop an internal infection, unless they are high-grade prescriptions. Read: not corner-pharmacy-shit.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Sorry, but you do not adress my point. You say it can be abused by kids, I that is a point to be made about any feature. It can and will be abused by kids. So, that is not a particular forceful argument, unless you have been active opposing every single feature added to this game. You haven't. In fact you have just been active opposing this particular feature. As such I can only interpret your emotional response as being directly related to this particular feature, and therefore a case of you being squeamish,

You haven't provided any argument, but this is the only feature you are so vehemently against, my interepretation is that you (and all the people who have argued in such a wanting fashion against this) are squeamish.

I'd be more worried about people who don't get squeamish about it, honestly. That "shit" is nasty! Do you guys have some kinda poop fetish or something?

If so I got a video of 2 girls and a cup that will get your rocks off.

Edited April 26, 2014 by WrecklessMEDIC

[rickyspanish 158]

I'd be more worried about people who don't get squeamish about it, honestly. That "shit" is nasty! Do you guys have some kinda poop fetish or something?

If so I got a video of 2 girls and a cup that will get your rocks off.

 

No, no fetish at all I can just distinguish the difference between real poo and not real poo. I also understand that if somebody craps on me in a video game that its not real and has no effect on me. I like the survival aspect of the game and think that it could add to the game. Your character eats and drinks so why not crap and urinate, in a survival situation what you eat can be crucial to your health. What happens when you eat something bad in real life? Maybe food poisoning making you vomit and giving you diarrhoea which in turn dehydrates you, makes you feel weak which when/if a stamina system is added effects how far/fast you can run. Also other illnesses such as dysentery due to infections. Hell maybe we could even track people and animals via there droppings, maybe even check if its still warm. There are a lot of possibilities but you know people might poo on my avatar ewww! People abuse everything e.g 3rd person but I bet plenty of people would argue we don't remove that feature.

 

Also seen that video, never again.. 

 

I think if it is done properly that it could work with minimal trolling, maybe make it so you can't do it within a certain distance of someone (for privacy's sake) in rl you wouldn't just squat in full view maybe they could put a boundary on it to simulate this, also not be able to pick it up and sling it around.

Edited April 26, 2014 by Ricky Spanish

[Death By Crowbar 1213]

I only want pooping if it can be paired with the following options:

1. Force feeding actions.
2. Reactions and animations (similar to how you throw up after drinking disinfectant).
3. Reactions after being killed (people who are killed often randomly crap themselves, that would be cool/natural).
4. Bandits could use it. Rather than throwing random gear in the road you could drop a duece for people to stop and inspect.
5. Could be used in hostage situations. Either the hostage could poop themselves, or the capturer could poop on the hostage.
6. Something you could apply to someone, just like you can apply a bandage, if you apply poop to them it should do something crazy (like make them throw up or have flies surround them or something).
7. Poop should attract zombies. If you poop it could be used to lure zombies away. Zombies, like dogs, should enjoy eating or rolling in the poop. And if there are multiple zombies present, they should fight over the poop and throw it at each other like chimps do in the zoo.

[Whyherro123 2283]

 

I only want pooping if it can be paired with the following options:

1. Force feeding actions.
2. Reactions and animations (similar to how you throw up after drinking disinfectant).
3. Reactions after being killed (people who are killed often randomly crap themselves, that would be cool/natural).
4. Bandits could use it. Rather than throwing random gear in the road you could drop a duece for people to stop and inspect.
5. Could be used in hostage situations. Either the hostage could poop themselves, or the capturer could poop on the hostage.
6. Something you could apply to someone, just like you can apply a bandage, if you apply poop to them it should do something crazy (like make them throw up or have flies surround them or something).
7. Poop should attract zombies. If you poop it could be used to lure zombies away. Zombies, like dogs, should enjoy eating or rolling in the poop. And if there are multiple zombies present, they should fight over the poop and throw it at each other like chimps do in the zoo.

 

See this? This is why over 60% of the people who voted in this poll don't want this mechanic. At least one of the reasons.