WW2 Guns

[So Sexy 259]

Yugoslavia wasn't a part of the Warsaw pact, or the Soviet Union, it was a part of Cominform for a year and alligned with USSR for three years after the war, after which it founded the Non-Aligned Movement. Tito didn't want Yugoslavia to be a Soviet satellite state, and that caused the splt between him and Stalin. Comunist state - yes, but opposed to the Soviet Union.

Its highly debatable, but its quite silly to think imo, that there was a communist state in south-eastern part of Europe, that was really indipendent from USSR, on the paper, perhaps.But as I said, its debatable.

Edited March 27, 2014 by So Sexy

[hoffa (DayZ) 71]

Its highly debatable, but its quite silly to think imo, that there was a communist state in south-eastern part of Europe, that was really indipendent from USSR, on the paper, perhaps.But as I said, its debatable.

 

Why not? Ideologies of Yugoslavia and USSR were different, Tito openly opposed Stalin, and the Soviets accused Tito and Yugoslavia of Trotskysm and social-democracy. He did model Yugoslavia after the Soviet Union, but he changed everything he didn't like or what he thought could be improved, and he didn't accept the fact of Yugoslavian people caring less about their own country than the USSR. But Stalin had no power over Tito.

[So Sexy 259]

Why not? Ideologies of Yugoslavia and USSR were different, Tito openly opposed Stalin, and the Soviets accused Tito and Yugoslavia of Trotskysm and social-democracy. He did model Yugoslavia after the Soviet Union, but he changed everything he didn't like or what he thought could be improved, and he didn't accept the fact of Yugoslavian people caring less about their own country than the USSR. But Stalin had no power over Tito.

Lets have it your way...But only thanks to my bad memory, was into that stuff when I was 15, but I still believe into general idea of socialism.

Damn you, now I will have to re-read the books.

And talking about different iseologies, I have always felt disgust towards different flows, simply because they were created by people who cared more about their own power, than the people eg Trotsky who was a pure monster, and not even russian.

Edited March 27, 2014 by So Sexy

[hoffa (DayZ) 71]

Lets have it your way...But only thanks to my bad memory, was into that stuff when I was 15, but I still believe into general idea of socialism.

Damn you, now I will have to re-read the books.

And talking about different iseologies, I have always felt disgust towards different flows, simply because they were created by people who cared more about their own power, than the people eg Trotsky who was a pure monster, and not even russian.

 

Let's rather agree to partially disagree. I can see your point though and it is debatable, like you've said, but I'm not sure this is the topic to debate about what percentage of independency Yugoslavia had, especially since it was first a centralized kingdom, then a centralized country which was made clear in many aspects of life and state (religion for example). But after the late 1940's and early-mid 1950's I think that every connection to the USSR was broken. The Soviet Union and Stalin considered Yugoslavia to be a satellite state, using the somewhat false fact they helped Yugoslavia during the Nazi occupation, while Yugoslavia and Tito dismissed any need for depending on the Soviet Union and riding itself of the autonomy.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

1: Maybe

2: Yes

3. No

4. No

5. Yes

6. No

7. No

8: Maybe

9: No

10: Maybe

11: No

12: No

13: No

No to the Tokarev? You high, Gews?

[-Gews- 7443]

No to the Tokarev? You high, Gews?

I don't see a "no" there

Edit: oh wait, there is, thought you meant the SVT40. Must be a typo.

Edited March 28, 2014 by Gews

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I don't see a "no" there

Edit: oh wait, there is, thought you meant the SVT40. Must be a typo.

Yeah, I was very surprised when I saw that. 

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

SVTs are a bit rare

G98 in development

Enfield makes some sense due to the neighboring county of Takistan using them.

Ross? Really?

Yes. I've been suggesting Mosin carbines for some time now.

Trench gun? Garand? Fuq no.

Maybe a Ppsh, but i think a PPs is a better option.

Yes Luger. Still relatively common actaully.

If this game doesn't get a TT i will rage.

We don't need British shit guns that fell out of working order decades ago, and that wouldn't be there anyway.

Whike the G43 might be argued that the germans left it behind, by the time it reached the troops - 1944 - Germany was driven out of the USSR. So no. Even rarer than the SVT, to.

 

Btw, P38 was just announced.

[agouti 105]

USSR sells SVT-40 to canada which can be bought for $300. That is cheaper than a russian sks in the USA. Your arguments are invalid. Tokarev pistol too. Tokarev pistols are common everywhere, look up the "tee-bore" -even Pakistan agrees. Privi Partisan sells 7.92x33 kurz. Who wants a garand when you have the svt-40? All of the garand's short-comings were addressed with the m-14. Which will be in the game.

 

It's crazy everyone says these things belong in a museum. Aside from the stg-44, which is illegal nearly anywhere and worth 20k+, all these guns are commonly owned by collectors, which is to say, your average joe blow. Maybe not if you live in a socialist shithole. In New Zealand, home of the native Rocket, you can buy chinese made forged receiver m14s for half the price of the springfield variety. Bwahahahaha.

 

Also, many world war 2 rifles are more accurate than SOME of today's guns. Especially when proper bedded. Have fun with your minute of chest on an AK.

[Garberro 10]

I thing abaut Tokariev vintovka :)  Great weapon, but i better when we see weapons from past CCCP (USSR) or Warsaw Pact :)

[enforcer1975 1111]

USSR sells SVT-40 to canada which can be bought for $300. That is cheaper than a russian sks in the USA. Your arguments are invalid. Tokarev pistol too. Tokarev pistols are common everywhere, look up the "tee-bore" -even Pakistan agrees. Privi Partisan sells 7.92x33 kurz. Who wants a garand when you have the svt-40? All of the garand's short-comings were addressed with the m-14. Which will be in the game.

 

It's crazy everyone says these things belong in a museum. Aside from the stg-44, which is illegal nearly anywhere and worth 20k+, all these guns are commonly owned by collectors, which is to say, your average joe blow. Maybe not if you live in a socialist shithole. In New Zealand, home of the native Rocket, you can buy chinese made forged receiver m14s for half the price of the springfield variety. Bwahahahaha.

 

Also, many world war 2 rifles are more accurate than SOME of today's guns. Especially when proper bedded. Have fun with your minute of chest on an AK.

 

If those weapons were so common why do we see Tacti1911, Glockxxx, S&W MP9, AR, AR ,AR, AR after AR all over the place? Why don't mass shooters use PPSh, or scoped Mosin, Lee Enfield or even garand to shoot up people? They would be impractical and second...who can afford those antiques unless it has been passed down in your family? Even a "cheap" AR costs a lot for the average american let alone a glock pistol.

[agouti 105]

Firepower man. ARs are damned accurate and can hold 30+ rounds, and has very little recoil. Ppshs are also rare here, but garands are not. I had a buddy in highschool who!bought one for 800. Mosins go for about 100 and Lee Enfields for like 300-600. Mausers are also fairly common. Dude you're tripping. These guns are not super rare, with the exception of the fully automatics. Do you even go to gunstores?

[riskiestkiller 8]

If those weapons were so common why do we see Tacti1911, Glockxxx, S&W MP9, AR, AR ,AR, AR after AR all over the place? Why don't mass shooters use PPSh, or scoped Mosin, Lee Enfield or even garand to shoot up people? They would be impractical and second...who can afford those antiques unless it has been passed down in your family? Even a "cheap" AR costs a lot for the average american let alone a glock pistol.

 Most of those rifle are common every wheres, you must not be a gun person i take it, and depending on the gun the prices vary, some are cheap and some are expensive. And why would you bring up mass shooting? it has noting to do with the topic.

[riskiestkiller 8]

SVTs are a bit rare

G98 in development

Enfield makes some sense due to the neighboring county of Takistan using them.

Ross? Really?

Yes. I've been suggesting Mosin carbines for some time now.

Trench gun? Garand? Fuq no.

Maybe a Ppsh, but i think a PPs is a better option.

Yes Luger. Still relatively common actaully.

If this game doesn't get a TT i will rage.

We don't need British shit guns that fell out of working order decades ago, and that wouldn't be there anyway.

Whike the G43 might be argued that the germans left it behind, by the time it reached the troops - 1944 - Germany was driven out of the USSR. So no. Even rarer than the SVT, to.

 

Btw, P38 was just announced.

 

1. Yes a ross eh :)

 

2. svt 40 are not rare at all, except for 1944 and 1945 dated rifles

 

3.And it is said that there is a stockplie of G43 in russia right now, but the russian want to much money for them so they haven't bin sold and imported to Canada like alot of sks, svt 40, tt-33

 

4. PPsh would be awesome, but i know i would burn through my ammo supply in like 1 minute of a fire fight haha

Edited March 28, 2014 by riskiestkiller

[BeefBacon 1185]

I think we should have some guns that shoot bullets. Metal bullets. I support this suggestion with the fact that there are many guns that shoot bullets, such as gun 1, gun 2, gun 3 and, of course, gun 5.

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

Ross is a nice rifle. I've never seen one but i've got a 1908 US-issue bayonet No. Either 131 or 211.

 

 

SVT's aren't common in the east at all really, mainly becuase the Soviet Union retained them instead of handing them out to civilians. It would be more common than a pps or ppsh, though :/ in the US they cost upwards of $1000, to. Mainyl they're in canada i think, which sucks becuase i can't get one here. :( Garands cost even more.

 

That's right - the Russians have G43's becuase they captured them and stored them in warehouses. The reason civilians would have them would be becuase they were left behind by the retreading ir dead Germans, but the Government would take any weapons and either Re-issue or store them.

[riskiestkiller 8]

Ross is a nice rifle. I've never seen one but i've got a 1908 US-issue bayonet No. Either 131 or 211.

 

 

SVT's aren't common in the east at all really, mainly becuase the Soviet Union retained them instead of handing them out to civilians. It would be more common than a pps or ppsh, though :/ in the US they cost upwards of $1000, to. Mainyl they're in canada i think, which sucks becuase i can't get one here. :( Garands cost even more.

 

That's right - the Russians have G43's becuase they captured them and stored them in warehouses. The reason civilians would have them would be becuase they were left behind by the retreading ir dead Germans, but the Government would take any weapons and either Re-issue or store them.

If you ever get the chance to shoot a ross, DO IT one of my favorite rifles to shoot, the action is so smooth and the accuracy is great (i only have a sporter and still shoots amazing). Only problem i see with the ross is the ammo is expensive, but thats the same with most guns.

 

Also it's a good thing Svt 40 are not aloud to be imported into the states, it means we Canadian get them all and cheap $200 to $300, snipers go for about $700 :)

Edited March 29, 2014 by riskiestkiller

[AP_Norris 1017]

Mauser C96

[riskiestkiller 8]

Mauser C96

how did i forget the broomhandle lol, we need it

[thedogfoodyayho 295]

If you ever get the chance to shoot a ross, DO IT one of my favorite rifles to shoot, the action is so smooth and the accuracy is great (i only have a sporter and still shoots amazing). Only problem i see with the ross is the ammo is expensive, but thats the same with most guns.

 

Also it's a good thing Svt 40 are not aloud to be imported into the states, it means we Canadian get them all and cheap $200 to $300, snipers go for about $700 :)

They can be imported - the just aren't.

They didn't use to be that much, though. Everything has gone up because Obama is threatening to not allow Mosins and SKSs to be imported. I can't even find any .22 anymore. Mosins seem to be $200 and people want to trade Enfields for them. Enfields themselves are $400, mausers around $300, Nagant Revolvers $100, TTs and Makarovs and other Bloc pistols are around $300, with SKSs and AKs at $550 and $700, and M1911-style pistols are upwards of $1000 A few years ago, everything but the nagant was about $100

less. Sucks. I can only hope SVT prices go down.

[AceQuat 63]

more gun variety could never hurt

[riskiestkiller 8]

They can be imported - the just aren't.

They didn't use to be that much, though. Everything has gone up because Obama is threatening to not allow Mosins and SKSs to be imported. I can't even find any .22 anymore. Mosins seem to be $200 and people want to trade Enfields for them. Enfields themselves are $400, mausers around $300, Nagant Revolvers $100, TTs and Makarovs and other Bloc pistols are around $300, with SKSs and AKs at $550 and $700, and M1911-style pistols are upwards of $1000 A few years ago, everything but the nagant was about $100

less. Sucks. I can only hope SVT prices go down.

Svt 40 are't allowed to be imported to the states, no semi auto Russian rifles are allowed anymore, thats why we get all the sks and svt 40, chances are prices will never go down for them in the states, if anything the prices will increase over time.

[OrLoK 16182]

Hello there

 

it doesnt get cooler than Clint with a Mauser.

 

 

And me with a PPSh

 

[gemellus 77]

I've been playing a lot of Red Orchestra 2 lately so I am really up for adding more WW2 eastern front gear. Especially the Ssh-40 and Stahlhelm.

 

As for guns, the KAR 98k is a necessity, as its been used in various conflicts all over the world, including the Yugoslav wars, Romanian revolution, etc.

[kaix12 34]

Hmm yes Garands are common... Common in America where a lot of people can own guns and where it is very popular. Also yes there is a stockpile of G43s in Russia, there is also a stockpile of STG 44s in Syria, you can get either, although both will be equally bad (G43, due to Germany's position are very often very badly made, I would not use one if I was in an apocalypse, STG 44 lacks ammo availability as well)