breaking legs to grief

[Grimey Rick 3417]

:o next time use paragraphs mate, this thread is overwhelming to look at lol.

Back on topic:

No, keep this in the game, if people want to be an idiot and break someones leg and leave them there, they should have the choice to tbh.

This game isnt ment to be easy, its not ment to be 100% fun and sunshine, its brutal and unforgiving.

One mistake can cost you hours and hours of work.

It was always like this in the mod, so why change it now? Dont see it sorry mate.

Tbh ive been robbed a couple of times, and once i was left north of Electro, with a broken leg and nothing but an open can of beans and a water bottle.

Sure it was a crappy situation, but do you have any idea how i felt when i finally crawled my way to the city and got my leg fixed? I felt invincible :D

This is what i love about this game, its so unforgiving, but when you finally "succed" its the greatest feeling in the gaming world imo. No other game can do that.

So i say, just leave it the way its always been in DayZ, its part of the game and it should not get removed, just because some people do it.

Exactly like force feeding people rotten fruit has a place in the game aswell.

If you find yourself being robbed, you made a mistake and you are gonna have to deal with it, hopefully learn something from it :)

EDIT:

Forgot to add, im always playing the "loner carebear", i dont kill players, i dont rob people and i dont really go near other players at all.

I use most of my time observing others behavior, which is very fun in my world :)

This game is far from brutal and unforgiving. It may seem that way for the first day, but after that it's pretty straight forward.

I agree with those petitioning to be able to snap branches from trees; it makes sense to implement an acceptable solution to any problem you might add to a game. Making morphine/sticks so difficult to find (unless you server hop) is just an invitation to grief.

At the very least, let us suicide once per day or something.

[pillock 850]

Griefing to me is intentionally ruining or spoiling someone's experience. It doesnt mean breaking the  "rules" either.

 

In Dayz its harder to pin down though.

 

My fave example is sniping new spawns on the beach. It adds nothing to the game IMHO. But its not a solid one.

 

In my opinion, shooting new spawns can be a good deed for the benefit of the game in some cases.

 

Not all new spawns, but the ones who brazenly run up and down the coastal road in plain sight or dash between the best loot buildings in the big towns: they deserve to be shot. They should be shot by any right-thinking player with a gun - it's an obligation, I feel. What gives them the right to think they can disregard all the dangers of the scenario, just because they have no good kit yet? It really annoys me.

 

Do they deserve to be shot in the leg and left there to crawl? Yes, if you're a good enough shot to achieve it. They must be punished. They are griefing the game by behaving stupidly.

Edited March 21, 2014 by Pillock

[makomachine 263]

In my opinion, shooting new spawns can be a good deed for the benefit of the game in some cases.

 

Not all new spawns, but the ones who brazenly run up and down the coastal road in plain sight or dash between the best loot buildings in the big towns: they deserve to be shot. They should be shot by any right-thinking player with a gun - it's an obligation, I feel. What gives them the right to think they can disregard all the dangers of the scenario, just because they have no good kit yet? It really annoys me.

 

Do they deserve to be shot in the leg and left there to crawl? Yes, if you're a good enough shot to achieve it. They must be punished. They are griefing the game by behaving stupidly.

Obligation.... Wha?

[pillock 850]

Absolutely it's an obligation! Fucking murder those piss-ants!

[paisius77 36]

In my opinion, shooting new spawns can be a good deed for the benefit of the game in some cases.

 

Not all new spawns, but the ones who brazenly run up and down the coastal road in plain sight or dash between the best loot buildings in the big towns: they deserve to be shot. They should be shot by any right-thinking player with a gun - it's an obligation, I feel. What gives them the right to think they can disregard all the dangers of the scenario, just because they have no good kit yet? It really annoys me.

 

Do they deserve to be shot in the leg and left there to crawl? Yes, if you're a good enough shot to achieve it. They must be punished. They are griefing the game by behaving stupidly.

 

 

Ah the glorious freedom of being a fresh spawn! Isn't it wonderful!?!? Running around the zombie apocalypse without a care in the world while everyone else skulks in the treeline protecting their precious M4's and can openers.

[spinager 152]

Ah the glorious freedom of being a fresh spawn! Isn't it wonderful!?!? Running around the zombie apocalypse without a care in the world while everyone else skulks in the treeline protecting their precious M4's and can openers.

Damn right

[M0RG0TH 40]

I've never laughed so hard playing DayZ as when you see a geared/semi-geared player being chased by 5+ zombies. If you can purposely shoot the player in the leg, it will break. And you can die laughing as the player gets eaten by zombies trying to crawl away.

 

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

[irl-calibre 744]

you gotta be kidding me right? griefing with legbreaks is justice West Belfast style!! look at this video here as an example where a hero goes wrong & kills some slack jawed american teen bragging about being a bandit, the guy kills him where he should of shot him in the legs, bandaged him and left him to think about what he had done, I mean the teabag works, but broken legs is better..

 

[StoutAle 69]

Hello there

 

Griefing to me is intentionally ruining or spoiling someone's experience. It doesnt mean breaking the  "rules" either.

 

In Dayz its harder to pin down though.

 

My fave example is sniping new spawns on the beach. It adds nothing to the game IMHO. But its not a solid one.

 

Hmmm it is difficult to quantify in DAYZ.

 

I suppose its just "being a dick".

 

I need to think about this. hmmmmm

 

Rgds

 

LoK

 

See by your definition any banditry could be griefing couldn't it? I could argue that stealing the gear it took me a long time to get (especially the little sight on my .45 and pristine LRS that took forever to find) is intentionally spoiling my experience just as much as killing me or breaking my legs.  The word griefing IMO needs to be tossed out in this game because it doesn't work.

 

The person that KoS's me because they are scared and I'm the first armed person the encountered is shooting me out of fear, although they killed me none the less.  The person robbing me is doing so because they simply want to.  To say either is better or worse doesn't make sense.  The guy that breaks my legs and leaves me might think it's nicer then shooting me, so again is it griefing?  It's all so subjective in a game like this I think it needs to be given up and that would shouldn't be used in this game.

 

Honestly not wanting your game spoiled is why so many just KoS now.  People don't want to take the chance that someone will leave them with no gear and broken legs, or handcuffed and fed cleaner or rotten food.  People would rather take the chance in a shoot out then just submitting and hoping the bandit is "nice" to them.  Once you know the game a bit you can regear faster then you can crawl to fix broken legs. I'd rather someone just shot me and took my gear kudos for them for getting the drop on me I guess.

 

All that said, no matter if you call them bandits, highwaymen, griefers or whatever anytime you interject yourself into someone elses game and they don't want it you, by your definition, are griefing because odds are good that you are going to, to some extent, spoil there game play experience unless your completely friendly giving them beans.  I don't hate anyone for how they play, they paid for the game, but I do dislike people that try to sugar coat what they do by being the nicest of the baddies. 

 

Oh, and I am not saying your the evil one, I was just using your definition of griefing.

[Judopunch 523]

I believe they said you will be able to get sticks and what not out of the forest.

 

As an aside; You classify this game as an FPS. But really its an interaction based horror survival game. I think the real question is not 'is it ok to break someones legs and leave them' but how anonymity allows for a lot of people to get away with this scott free. I think when we see private hives and regular players on servers if you want to be known as 'the duchebag that broke my legs in the middle of nowhere for sport' that will be on your head. However right now there is no community of people playing together, you are in effect completely and totally anonymous in your actions. Kill everyone, grief them, leave the server and go on to the next. Get gear in a 0/40 server, go back and grief again.

[OrLoK 16186]

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Oh, and I am not saying your the evil one, I was just using your definition of griefing.

Hello there

 

Its ok, I am evil.

 

Me and the mods (here,reddit and steam) has a chat about it right after I posted and we all came to the conclusion that griefing was when you used game mechanics to deliberately be a "dick".

 

Being a bandit or KoSing is not necessarily being a "dick".

 

Being irritated that you have lost many hours work due to a death is also not being griefed (although it can be damn annoying) as one signs up for that experience.

 

I would cut and paste the convo here but due to NDAishness I cant as it was in the dev channel.

 

Rgds

 

LoK

[Ozar 108]

what the hell are you guys talking about ?

"breaking legs to grief"? what does this mean ?

[Whyherro123 2283]

what the hell are you guys talking about ?

"breaking legs to grief"? what does this mean ?

Certain people in-game will break other people's legs, so they have to crawl everywhere, then leave them there as a form of asshole-ery. It is to make them mad, while the leg-breakers get a kick out of other people's aggravation.

[finnpalm 312]

make it to where we can grab branches from trees to craft splints.

 

This. I think that will solve some of it. At least for the players getting their legs broken.

[Ozar 108]

Certain people in-game will break other people's legs, so they have to crawl everywhere, then leave them there as a form of asshole-ery. It is to make them mad, while the leg-breakers get a kick out of other people's aggravation.

seriously ? and you call that "breaking legs to grief" ? LMAO

Edited March 25, 2014 by Ozar

[Whyherro123 2283]

seriously ? and you call that "breaking legs to grief" ? LMAO

Ah, no, I didn't start the topic and call it as such. Lrn2read before you get all snarky.

[liquidsnake 275]

There should be a few ways to kill players dastardly. Think hanging them, killing them in a way that leaves their body unrecognisable, etc. That would prevent the psychos from resorting to something like breaking legs and leaving the player there to meet his doom, but only after a wretched suffering. Something like breaking legs and leaving them is game breaking in my eyes. Yes, it should be possible, but it's a bit too extreme to have to crawl to a hospital when it's not even close. I feel like a suicide option (if in possession of a knife, gun or anything that can possibly kil. Not just a magical option to die) would fix all of this.
I can imagine it would be awesome to be hanged, it would be one of those moments I'm not at all disturbed by losing my gear. Same goes for dying in a good gun fight or when someone killed you with an amazing long range shot.

[blissandpanic 92]

Me and friend were ambushed while chatting with a newspawn..at the end i was the last one alive and crawling away while they laughed and sorted through our gear.

 

I just turned the corner and headed straight to the local zeds and said hi :P

Within a few seconds more spawned and i was warmly greeted with a group hug and a few "high-fives" to my face..

 

problem solved.

[amiasfree 262]

Me and friend were ambushed while chatting with a newspawn..at the end i was the last one alive and crawling away while they laughed and sorted through our gear.

 

I just turned the corner and headed straight to the local zeds and said hi :P

Within a few seconds more spawned and i was warmly greeted with a group hug and a few "high-fives" to my face..

 

problem solved.

What if you're in a town without zeds? Or out in the wilderness or on the second floor of a building with the guys that broke your legs blocking your exit? (actually happened to me)

 

Your option is to 1. leave your computer on for hours depending on what your characters status was so you can die or 2. hop server in hopes that you can find someone to kill you/building *without* griefers blocking your path.

 

We really need an insta suicide option, regardless of where we are or what condition we are in. 

[blissandpanic 92]

What if you're in a town without zeds? Or out in the wilderness or on the second floor of a building with the guys that broke your legs blocking your exit? (actually happened to me)

 

Your option is to 1. leave your computer on for hours depending on what your characters status was so you can die or 2. hop server in hopes that you can find someone to kill you/building *without* griefers blocking your path.

 

We really need an insta suicide option, regardless of where we are or what condition we are in. 

Those are good points. but we dont have a suicide option and i dont know if that will come.My suggestion was for ppl who dont want to look for morphine/splints.

 

-If they blocked me then i would wait and see (i doubt they are gonna hang around for hours)

-if i am in the middle of the woods, then with the new spawning zeds it should not take long to come accross them (few minutes) and faster if you have a gun.

- if all fails then just logg off and with the new patch chances are they will spawn near you.

[1S1K-Airborne 148]

Only the most douchebag gameplay styles are encouraged in the Standalone.

 

Welcome to the Permadeath Deathmatch KOS Standalone.

 

If they had an Effective Humanity System, there would be other valid gameplay styles.  Until then, just KOS everyone you see.  You'll enjoy the game more.

[Weedz 1105]

Me and the mods (here,reddit and steam) has a chat about it right after I posted and we all came to the conclusion that griefing was when you used game mechanics to deliberately be a "dick".

 

Griefing is when you're repeatedly doing something that you're not supposed to be able to do in order to ruin other's enjoyment. Game mechanics like breaking legs are in the game so you can break people's legs. If you weren't supposed to be able to break people's legs then people were somehow going around doing this that would be griefing.

 

Source: Best friend who was GM for a major MMORPG

 

Example: APB Reloaded you are in a map with 40v40 factions but you are doing 1-4 v 1-4 missions and other people aren't supposed to be able to interfere with those missions. But people have their friends who aren't on their team park their cars that are indestructible if they stay in them (because they aren't part of the mission) on top of mission objectives so people can't get them. Once or twice is an accident maybe but if they do it repeatedly it's griefing.

Edited March 25, 2014 by Weedz