I've heard troubling rumours...(no helis)

[Etherimp 1323]

Ahh yes I remember some private hives had extra helis (also remember a bonus ground vehicle or 2 for them, like the police car)....but still said vanilla in description. They are hard to find, but you can find true vanilla servers still that don't use the extra private hive vehicles :)

 

 

No.. This was a pure vanilla server. I was one of the admins on it. It didn't even have the police car, or different versions of the military offroad. It was completely vanilla.

 

It depends on what version of the game you were playing. Some of the vehicle and helicopter spawns were broken during certain patches. You may have played at a time when certain heli spawns were disabled/broken.

Edited March 5, 2014 by Etherimp

[Gekkonidae 270]

I think those 4 helis mentioned would be enough. You have some variety there, and they are still relatively rare with that number.

[Etherimp 1323]

I think those 4 helis mentioned would be enough. You have some variety there, and they are still relatively rare with that number.

 

 

The problem is.. If you have 1 heli, you have to have them all.

 

There's no real good place to hide a heli, from another heli.. So if I get 1 heli, I have to get all 4 in order to control the map. The only thing that can reliably find a heli, is another heli.

[Karmaterror 982]

You can call me an abusive douchebag all you want. There's clearly nothing anyone is going to say that is going to change your mind. You want helicopters in the game. That's fine. Just don't join the server I'm a regular on, because my squad will have the helicopters and we will be abusive douchebags with them. We'll fly all over the map scooping up all of the unique loot spawns (heli-crashes).. We'll be the first ones to loot NWAF an whatever other high value military loot spots. We'll hunt down your camps and we'll destroy any vehicles you manage to obtain.

 

 

Get ur ass on a more populated server....then fly over cherno haha. Iv had my heli downed by 2 guys with enfields before now. Or 1 guy with a rifle gets a lucky tail rot shot. Theres so many ways to down a heli, iv sniped my fair share of pilots (a lot af auto hover nabs) but also a lot of lucky shots on moving choppers.

 

If the chopper actually decides to hunt me I always smile....if they keep moving so I carnt drop gunner....they never hit because they moving (seen many fly away because the wasted all there ammo lol). If they stop or hit auto.....its game over. Couple of well placed shots for the gunner then focus on that tail rot. It wont drop the heli, but they wont be able to land due to spin. You often see a few death messages few mins after the shot, when they eventually try to put it down. Alternativly if you have a rifle with some "punch" (m24/DMR)  work on the engine (just below main rot join)....that will drop it out of the sky after a few shots.

 

PS im playing on a vanilla private hive on mod atm......1 heli uh-1y....nothing else ;)

Edited March 5, 2014 by Karmaterror

[kakysas666 191]

I really hope they won't add helicopters. Actually even vehicles are problematic since the map looks already small to anyone who played more than 50 hours in this game. Bicycles is a good thing but I wouldn't want to see any vehicles and especialy helicopters in this tiny map. There is no such thing as end gear when you die from one or two shots and lose everything. The only thing that matters is probably persistent backpacks/tents. That's it.

[Etherimp 1323]

Get ur ass on a more populated server....then fly over cherno haha. Iv had my heli downed by 2 guys with enfields before now. Or 1 guy with a rifle gets a lucky tail rot shot. Theres so many ways to down a heli, iv sniped my fair share of pilots (a lot af auto hover nabs) but also a lot of lucky shots on moving choppers.

 

If the chopper actually decides to hunt me I always smile....if they keep moving so I carnt drop gunner....they never hit because they moving (seen many fly away because the wasted all there ammo lol). If they stop or hit auto.....its game over. Couple of well placed shots for the gunner then focus on that tail rot. It wont drop the heli, but they wont be able to land due to spin. You often see a few death messages few mins after the shot, when they eventually try to put it down. Alternativly if you have a rifle with some "punch" (m24/DMR)  work on the engine (just below main rot join)....that will drop it out of the sky after a few shots.

 

 

I played on the 2nd most populated US vanilla server. Trust me, a good pilot doesn't get shot down. Noobs who auto-hover don't count. Over populated areas I fly too high and too fast to even hit.. Once we would find a target we would come in on a sweeping pass, fly low enough to spam the HMG at our target, then swoop out before taking too much retaliation fire. We would occasionally take some damage on our windscreen glass or rotor, but never would it shoot us down. The only weapon that even stood a chance against heli's in the mod was the MK48 Mod 0... And if we came across one of those we just scrammed.

 

Even if one of our gunners get shot out.. It's a 1 minute trip back down to the coast to pick them up, then 1 minute back to where-ever.

[Karmaterror 982]

I played on the 2nd most populated US vanilla server. Trust me, a good pilot doesn't get shot down. Noobs who auto-hover don't count. Over populated areas I fly too high and too fast to even hit.. Once we would find a target we would come in on a sweeping pass, fly low enough to spam the HMG at our target, then swoop out before taking too much retaliation fire. We would occasionally take some damage on our windscreen glass or rotor, but never would it shoot us down. The only weapon that even stood a chance against heli's in the mod was the MK48 Mod 0... And if we came across one of those we just scrammed.

 

Even if one of our gunners get shot out.. It's a 1 minute trip back down to the coast to pick them up, then 1 minute back to where-ever.

 

We use ours for medic runs ....air taxi for nabs....all kinds of stuff. Often landing in the main cities to pick people up. If you tried those sweeping runs on good players you wont have much luck, they will just put solid cover between you and them, or solid cover in front of them then spam DRM rounds through your windscreen as you sweep past. Yeah your fast....but you worked to be that fast. You had to get all the parts together....then the tedious fuelling process (iv given helis away before now because id had enough of fuelling them lol). Not to mention that speed comes with a price...

 

Your loud....very loud. People have a good warning your coming, then ample time to set a trap.

Your highly visible....The dust you kick up on landing is about a 50m radius around the heli.

Easy to track.....compass bearings from flying helis have let me find camps many times.

 

Many weapons are great vs helis....

 

SAW....spam round through gunner opening (much better stamina that MOD0)

DMR....5 or so rounds to engine, heli goes down

M24.....same as DMR

FN- Fal....believe it or not this thing has great damage.....can wreck the engine with 1 mag in burst mode.

CZ - 550....another 5 or so engine shot rifle

 

But if you avoid main cities and fly high....yes your not gonna get shot down as much.....but wheres the fun in that lol

[blissandpanic 92]

Choppers MADE the mod for me.

Without them, no matter how hard to get and maintain, it would just not be DayZ.

Point.

if people really miss the military game, why dont you guys just play arma? Dayz SA is not a military sim it is a survival sim.

 

well IMO

[Danlow 63]

If this is true, then it's really good! I don't want to see 15 helicopters be it civilian or military, hovering above, killing the apocalypse feeling.

 

 

Cars, bicycles, dirtbikes = YES.

 

Helicopters, tanks, armored vehicles = NO.

 

Play Arma 3 instead, if you want a big arsenal.

Edited March 5, 2014 by Danlow

[Karmaterror 982]

if people really miss the military game, why dont you guys just play arma? Dayz SA is not a military sim it is a survival sim.

 

well IMO

 

So the military packed up all there helis and equipment, saying "its the apocalypse boys!....this stuff ist allowed to be found by anyone....because this is about survival"?

 

I play arma to have mass engagements with many tanks planes and helis....even naval battles with some frigate mods. Dayz had 1 heli.....1 piece of mill gear that survived, it wasn't easy to get, and it was far from safe....it was just fast :)

 

EDIT - no one is saying they want a huge arsenal of mill vehicles everywhere.....but whats wrong with 1 armed heli as a goal for everyone on the server? Not to mention you have to keep it stocked with Mod) mags if you actually want to shoot regularly ;)

Edited March 5, 2014 by Karmaterror

[Bakercompany86 347]

No helicopters please....

[DURRHUNTER 597]

Just 1 heli would be fine with me.

[AryanBoogeyman 185]

No to Helicopters.

 

Just fucking NO.

 

Besides the ridiculous destruction of immersion (carries heli main rotor assembly in backpack) they are way too EZ mode once operational.

 

Haz heli? Own all camps and vehicles on server.

 

I hope the Rocket man sees sense and has zero aerial vehicles. Unless there is an effective way to camo your vehicles/camps introduced, then I would consider fixed wing aircraft that require a long runway/open space to land in.

 

That is all.

 

:)

[kragz 156]

No to Helicopters.

 

Just fucking NO.

 

Besides the ridiculous destruction of immersion (carries heli main rotor assembly in backpack) they are way too EZ mode once operational.

 

Haz heli? Own all camps and vehicles on server.

 

I hope the Rocket man sees sense and has zero aerial vehicles. Unless there is an effective way to camo your vehicles/camps introduced, then I would consider fixed wing aircraft that require a long runway/open space to land in.

 

That is all.

 

:)

Helis become a useful too for finding bases, and that's your argument AGAINST them? If you want to play base building and have immunity from your stuff being taken go play Minecraft or something.

[eleventhavenue 204]

Because without helicopters base builders get immune to any kind of attack?

[gadyuka 99]

If you want to play base building and have immunity from your stuff being taken go play Minecraft or something.

Has anyone tried something yet? I have read some great reviews but am unwilling to pay for it at the moment.

[warshire0621 2]

Good +1 for Dean and no helicopters in this game.

[Etherimp 1323]

We use ours for medic runs ....air taxi for nabs....all kinds of stuff. Often landing in the main cities to pick people up. If you tried those sweeping runs on good players you wont have much luck, they will just put solid cover between you and them, or solid cover in front of them then spam DRM rounds through your windscreen as you sweep past. Yeah your fast....but you worked to be that fast. You had to get all the parts together....then the tedious fuelling process (iv given helis away before now because id had enough of fuelling them lol). Not to mention that speed comes with a price...

 

Your loud....very loud. People have a good warning your coming, then ample time to set a trap.

Your highly visible....The dust you kick up on landing is about a 50m radius around the heli.

Easy to track.....compass bearings from flying helis have let me find camps many times.

 

Many weapons are great vs helis....

 

SAW....spam round through gunner opening (much better stamina that MOD0)

DMR....5 or so rounds to engine, heli goes down

M24.....same as DMR

FN- Fal....believe it or not this thing has great damage.....can wreck the engine with 1 mag in burst mode.

CZ - 550....another 5 or so engine shot rifle

 

But if you avoid main cities and fly high....yes your not gonna get shot down as much.....but wheres the fun in that lol

 

 

A Saw fires 5.56.. hardly useful against a helicopter except for against door gunners... good luck hitting a moving heli, let alone the engine, with a CZ-550.. FN-Fal is good, yes.. Because it fires 7.62NATO and it has a fast fire rate.. DMR and MKMod also, but again..Good luck reliably hitting the engine.. 

[Karmaterror 982]

YOU ALL NEED TO LOAD UP THE EDITOR AND SPEND 30 MINS LEARNING HOW TO DROP A HELI WITH SMALL ARMS FIRE LOL

 

Me when I see a heli......"ohhhh how should I drop this one"....or "heading off map are we.....whats that bearing"

 

Really think the only peeps saying they OP have either

 

A. Never had one and just look to the heli gods flying round in the sky

 

B. Are too afraid to engage....because if they did they would see just how inaccurate a moving helis gunfire is....and how exposed the gunners are.

 

C. A mixture of both, once you've had one.....been sniped while moving quick.....then tried it yourself. You will see they aren't OP or god like.

 

They are infact the most stupid means of transport on high pop servers, for some of the reasons iv already said. From experience, id rather have a silent easy to hide pushbike if the servers 50+ people lol :)

 

 

 

 

 

Besides the ridiculous destruction of immersion (carries heli main rotor assembly in backpack) they are way too EZ mode once operational.

 

That's a remenant from the mod. We have already heard that engines on cars could be broken down as much as having to find spark plugs. They could do the same with the heli, making it a mammoth task to get airbourne. Then they say we will have to maintain vehicles beyond just fuel. So if they make it a bitch to keep running, unless your a big group, could be more trouble than its worth ;)

 

PS...whats the point of using the ToH engine (or parts of it) with the goal of realistic heli controls.....then not put them in :)
 

[AryanBoogeyman 185]

Helis become a useful too for finding bases, and that's your argument AGAINST them? If you want to play base building and have immunity from your stuff being taken go play Minecraft or something.

 

No moron.

 

Ground vehicles are plenty powerful in that respect (base acquisition). They just take time and effort.

 

Helis completely nullify any kind of effort to acquire any other vehicle.

 

If you want to play a heli flight sim then go play TOH.

[AryanBoogeyman 185]

YOU ALL NEED TO LOAD UP THE EDITOR AND SPEND 30 MINS LEARNING HOW TO DROP A HELI WITH SMALL ARMS FIRE LOL

 

Me when I see a heli......"ohhhh how should I drop this one"....or "heading off map are we.....whats that bearing"

 

Really think the only peeps saying they OP have either

 

A. Never had one and just look to the heli gods flying round in the sky

 

B. Are too afraid to engage....because if they did they would see just how inaccurate a moving helis gunfire is....and how exposed the gunners are.

 

C. A mixture of both, once you've had one.....been sniped while moving quick.....then tried it yourself. You will see they aren't OP or god like.

 

They are infact the most stupid means of transport on high pop servers, for some of the reasons iv already said. From experience, id rather have a silent easy to hide pushbike if the servers 50+ people lol :)

 

 

 

 

That's a remenant from the mod. We have already heard that engines on cars could be broken down as much as having to find spark plugs. They could do the same with the heli, making it a mammoth task to get airbourne. Then they say we will have to maintain vehicles beyond just fuel. So if they make it a bitch to keep running, unless your a big group, could be more trouble than its worth ;)

 

PS...whats the point of using the ToH engine (or parts of it) with the goal of realistic heli controls.....then not put them in :)

 

As far as never having a heli - lol

 

They ruined the mod as all my group did was run around chasing them after a certain point.

 

Don't make me laugh. It is all about being able to control the entire server from the air.

 

Nubs want it.

 

Veteran players who know better will oppose it.

 

You make good points about the maintenance aspect of helis and I would agree to a certain extent but the fact remains once airborne they are the EZ mode answer to any kind of vehicle/camp in the game.

 

A better solution IMO would be fixed wing aircraft as they require a lot more space to put down and take off from.

 

As far as immersion goes I still argue that no one that washes ashore in Chernarus will have the technical knowledge or ability to repair/maintain a modern military helicopter.

 

This is not Arma people. This is the apocalypse. The focus of the game needs to be more on survival than bullshit bells and whistles.

Edited March 5, 2014 by AryanBoogeyman

[Karmaterror 982]

Il give you that helis make finding camps very easy. But that heli is the only thing in game that makes it "easy". Cars are such a pain in the ass off map, even quick ones. With there constant fuel requirements, increased consumption on rough terrain and most are painfully slow offroad. If they were insanely hard to fix, id say you earned that easy mode....until a stealthy sniper tracks you to an LZ lol

 

The technical knowledge is a good point, now theres ways around that. Finding a book that has to be studied to even be able to attatch parts. If they wanted to go really hardcore, have a book for each system. So a group could divide it, one guy trys to specialise in rotor assemblys, one electronics ect ect. But that's a bit off topic hehe.

 

I do agree that fixed wings would be nice to have. For me I think we should still have 1....only 1... armed huey per map. Id like to see it how it was a looooong time ago in the mod, where if it was destroyed it was a few days before another would spawn to take its place. Then give us maybe 1 or 2 fixed wing, cesna style aircraft. Some mod servers give the AN-2 plane. That's cool but id like to see something not so STOL. Because you can put that thing down on the strait bit of road inbetween electro and cherno lol :)

Edited March 5, 2014 by Karmaterror

[Jex 1104]

...that Dean was saying helicopters shouldn't be in DayZ. I mean, it is his game (at least until the end of the year) and he can push it in any particular direction, but what would DayZ be with out helicopters? They are the end game. They create perilous parts runs around the map in vehicles, which have cause some of the most awesome DayZ moments I have ever experienced. And, when you do get it up in the air, that feeling of power is pretty damn addicting haha.

 

Conclusion: I really hope that this is just a rumour and not the truth.

 

I've always held the opposite view, that choppers are a bane to the game for the following reason (and if it could get fixed, I wouldn't have an issue with choppers in the game).

 

When you're in a chopper you can literally see through the canopy of forests which makes it the easiest thing ever to spot vehicles and tents. Now assuming these will be added in and the graphical problem isn't going to be fixed, I'd rather not have an easy way to spot where everyone's things are. All you need is a GPS and you can mark every vehicle and tent on the map or just have ur buddies in a vehicle below you moving to search them.

 

People can get pretty inventive with places to hide things on the ground but in the air it's a waste of time.

[Karmaterror 982]

Does no one take helis into account when building/choosing a campsite?.....plenty of secluded barns that offer great protection from heli camp hunters. Can even fit 2 or 3 cars inside the small white ones with one door. Or the long brown ones can fit loads of stuff. The lifetime of my camp is always shorter in these places because eventually someone comes to loot the place. But it stops heli guys from seeing them :)

 

Thinking about it some "shacks" or lone barns out in the wastes around the map edge could be a much easier fix for this. As apposed to messing with graphics to get coverage from the canopy, considering performance is a bit of an issue already :)

[insumsnoy 7]

I prefer DayZ without helicopters TBH.